This is the topic for discussing anything about the debate or asking questions.

Bracket

Rules
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-Double Elimination
-Seize argument ignored
-No units barred
-No intense flames
-Hard mode assumed
-Each person gets three replies unless stated otherwise
-You have 5 days to post after your opponents last post.
-Point gains are halved

Judges(3)
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-Dragon Hellfire
-Nintend-Fan
-Denning
-Inui

Back up Judges(2)
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-Othin
-Soren

Debatars(8)
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-Reikken(Dorcas)
-Inui(Sain)
-Denning(Kent)
-Dragon Hellfire(Matthew)
-Leo Aldwulf(Serra)
-Othin(Florina)
-Gamefreak(Wil)
-Soren(Lyn)

I predict Reikken winning.

Except DH went and picked the most broken unit. :/

Kent >>>

...is not mandatory for S Rank, while Matthew is.

Kent >>>>

I predict me winning. B|

I'd have done the same thing (predict myself winning, not you winning <<) if I was competing. :P

Hey, it worked for the last FE7 tourney.

Actually somebody got their ass raped so hard they had to forfeit their virginity. :hmm:

It was probably Soren.

Regardless of Soren getting his ass raped, I still was prediction leader. <<

Only because I said so and was trying to be nice.

when did I get raped? |:

...I drop. I'm already in two debates (both of which I'm about to time out) and I have to judge the biggest chapter we've had on EA

plus, you said nothing about lyn and not being able to use the sieze debate to me when I picked |:

[14:13] <Dragon_Hellfire> You were expecting to win all your debates with one word, is that what you're telling me?

Don't make stupid excuses.

Wow Soren, that's really lame.

I believe the Seize argument will not be accepted rule was stated in the signups thread, so you should have known.

DH knew full well I couldn't see the thread due to parental lock.

Still, you should have known better.

through chat.

sry for the double post, but I can't edit my post due to parental lock

the only reason I can post here is because I asked DOZ to link me to the posting URL

yayz

3x >_> stupid parentals..

How many times did I tell you it was a joke? really.

and the fact I'm still banned from FES chat makes me question why DH is still half op there...

I remember you telling me that your excuse for dropping out was that you couldn't use the seize argument, and I remember you not once telling me that was a joke.

Anyways, no further discussion is needed on this.

Yes, I can honestly say that was part of the reason. But, she only has 2 things going for her, seize and the mani katti. Kent alone is so much better it isn't funny. Without seize she is one of the worst units in the game. I wouldn't have touched her if you said I couldn't use seize, especially when you knew FULL WELL that I couldn't see the rules for the debate.

But whatever, getting put against reikken was bad enough (not enough to drop though, but DH said I would go against den), having a bad unit is even worse.

DAMN PARENTAL LOCKS

anyway, by 'game' I meant LHM. I would edit but I can't see the topic

>_>

Lyn is still fourth best in the mode, wtf are you talking about?

under who? Florina has flying, kent and sain have cav utility AND the best stats in the mode, Matthew is, well, a thief. Serra is, well, a healer. And nils is, well, a dancer.

She's below Matthew and the two cavaliers.

There are sooo many arguments you can make for her, especially against a unit like Dorcas, but w/e.

why am i always up against people better than me D; (other than the fact that i'm worse than everyone)

The worse you are the lower seed you get, it's to make sure that top tiers don't face each other in the first round sending one of them to the losers early.

*gamefreak is surprised that he isnt bottom seed

You would of been. >.>

*Othin is currently in four debates

I hate starting first. I always don't know where to start. >_>

*gamefreak put his post up

I'd say she is the very best since she can spam the mani katti without worry and it has tons of uses and she actually has the best stats due to a constant level lead.

Nobody has anything like the mani katti.

I don't really think she has a level lead over the two cavaliers if for the fact that they can go sit and gain experience much faster than Lyn can, and with their superior stats overall + lances, they're probably better than her.

Matthew may not be as good offensively himself, but he's real handy. I'm still not too sure about him, though.

Wtf? Everything uses axes, anyways. And those Mercs are not one-rounded by Kent or Sain. They don't double them. Lyn doubles and definitely kills them with that sword of hers.

Superior stats? In what, HP and DEF? That's all I'm seeing. Lyn has tons of Evd over them. This h4x Evd, which is the best in the mode, allows her to bait in axe users just as well as the Cavaliers, if not better, so she can gain EXP with that just like they do.

Naw. Matthew doesn't measure up to Lyn and the Cavaliers, and maybe even Serra is better due to lolonlyhealer... He might not even beat out Erk. He doesn't have anything wtfworthy like the Silver Card in this mode.

Sure there are a lot of axe users, but Sain/Kent have an iron sword, and combining that with them having more Str they will be doing similar damage as Lyn while she's using the Mani Katti.

They also have superior Str, Sain by quite a bit. Any unit they double they are doing better against just about. When they start doubling they are doing better, and early game their superior Mov allows them to be more diverse in the enemies they attack. Chapter 4 they are doing a lot more than Lyn, that's for sure. Chapter 3 they can move up to the units much faster, so they'll be better there. Even chapter 6 both of the cavaliers start off in range of two enemies whereas Lyn starts off in the range of none.

Something > Nothing

Nah. Mani Katti has 3 more Mt than an iron sword, so she's always outdamaging Kent. Kent has a 1.6 STR lead(Lyn has a 1 level lead on him almost the whole mode), but Lyn still has more Atk even if he uses a lance. When it comes to Sain, she doubles from the start and nothing but bosses can take two blows from her sword without dying. Sain, however, doesn't double nearly as much.

Lyn is better at doubling than they are. She doubles Mercs, they don't. How are they doing any better? Sain doesn't double nearly as much, and Kent doesn't have an Atk, Hit, or Evd win to speak of. There's nothing they can kill that she can't, while there are more than enough enemies that Lyn can kill that they can't in a single round, which includes anything they can't double, multiple bosses, and cavaliers and knights in general.

Lyn has .6 less when giving her the Mani Katti and him the Iron Lance. This is assuming she has a level lead, which for the reasons stated I just don't think is happening. Kent is better in chapters 1, 2, 3 and 4. Chapter 5 is possibly in his favour, and six surely is. Then he starts doubling consistently making him h4x in offense. Even with Lyn's doubling she isn't better early on, even though she isn't losing by all that much aside from the chapters that Kent reaches enemies and she doesn't. Those chapters though Kent is gaining experience where Lyn isn't, especially chatper 4. She won't have a level lead, and I'll likely enough give Kent a level lead.

And no, she doesn't kill in one round with her sword. She takes two rounds early-mode. Sain takes two rounds early-mode. She's better but not by much, and when Sain starts doubling he's raping everything in site.

It's not just the statistics that put the cavaliers above Lyn, it's their mobility that allows them to put their stats to use better.

She doesn't ever take two rounds with the Mani Katti.

Wtf Kent having more Atk with a lance? No. Not against axe users, which are like 80% of the mode. He wins Atk vs other things, but those are crappy archers and mages that everyone rapes easily, or sword users that he can't double while she can. You only need about 11 Spd to double the mercs, and she gets that super early while Kent doesn't have it until the end.

She always wins offense against anything her sword is effective against. The Cavs can't one-round those dudes while she can. And she is better vs every single boss besides Beyard.

Mercenaries require something closer to 12-13 Spd to double, which means Lyn is only doubling them at the end of the mode.

And he wins against Soldiers too. Which make up quite a bit of the enemies.

Also:

It's not just the statistics that put the cavaliers above Lyn, it's their mobility that allows them to put their stats to use better.

If Lyn had 7 Mov and wasn't restricted by her starting square then she might be better. But she doesn't have that Mov and most definitely is restricted by her starting square stopping her from moving forward to kill enemies as well as Kent/Sain and even some other units can.

Wut? 12 Spd at level 6, dude. And mercs have like 7 Spd early on, IIRC. So she doubles before that. Regardless, it's way sooner than even Kent, and she has 20 Crit over him for OHKOs.

Soldiers seem to be the only things Kent/Sain win against in offense.

Kk, they have movement but Lyn has tons more offense and slaying powerz.

On chapter 4 I frequent 8's more than 7's, and after that instead of 7/8 it becomes 8/9. She most likely isn't doubling the Mercenaries on chapter four, and the ones after that are only harder to double ... sooo...

Her crt isn't reliable so you won't be activating on it. Most of the enemies nearby are cleared out on the enemy phase so it doesn't matter too much if you get that lucky strike on that phase. The crt lead almost isn't worth mentioning at all.

And bow weilders/magic users/Sain doubles units.

Movement is that much, because as shown in chapters 1-6ish that movement lets them kill and Lyn ... not kill.