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High Lord Larry - August 5, 2007 02:12 AM (GMT)
I need a list of classic FE archetypes. Simple enough.

Nintend-Fan - August 5, 2007 03:25 AM (GMT)
Oguma: Most awesome character in the game.

...the early-arriving, very strong Mercenary. Examples are Oguma (duh), Dieck, Raven, Gerik, and Stefan of FE9 is sometimes considered one due to the lack of Mercenaries/Heroes in that game.

Jeigan: The early joining Paladin; arrives much stronger than your other characters. Examples are Jeigan, both Marcuses, Seth, and Titania.

Cain/Abel: A pair of cavaliers; one with red armor, one with green. Examples are Cain/Abel, Alan/Lance, Kent/Sain, Forde/Kyle, and Kieran/Oscar.

Est: A late-joining, very underleveled character. Examples are Est and Nino.

Gato: An incredibly strong character that is only available in the very end of the game. Examples are Gato, FE6 Karel, Athos, Myrhh (I think), Tibarn, Naesala, and Giffca.

Those are the main ones.

Jeigan - August 5, 2007 03:48 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Nintend-Fan @ Aug 4 2007, 09:25 PM)
Oguma: Most awesome character in the game.

you mispelled Jeigan D:

I think it's worth mentioning that from a plot perspective, the Jeigan is some kind of bodyguard and/or advisor for the main lord.

btw, I don't think FE8 has a Gato. Myrrh doesn't even joins at the very end.

Anyway, besides the ones that Nintend-fan mentioned, there are some other archetypes, but they are usually pretty dumb, IMO

Dragon Hellfire - August 5, 2007 03:50 AM (GMT)
FE8 didn't have a gato. Myrrh wasn't all that godly and didn't join at the end, like Jeigan said.

And I'll argue Farina being an Est.

High Lord Larry - August 5, 2007 03:51 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dragon Hellfire @ Aug 4 2007, 10:50 PM)
And I'll argue Farina being an Est.

Yeah. Wasn't Est the final PS?

Nintend-Fan - August 5, 2007 03:57 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (High Lord Larry @ Aug 4 2007, 11:51 PM)
QUOTE (Dragon Hellfire @ Aug 4 2007, 10:50 PM)
And I'll argue Farina being an Est.

Yeah. Wasn't Est the final PS?

lawl @ Syrene possibly being an Est.

Elincia maybe, but not Syrene. And Nino is more of an Est than Farina, so your last Peg. Knight definition doesn't hold true.

High Lord Larry - August 5, 2007 04:01 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Nintend-Fan @ Aug 4 2007, 10:57 PM)
QUOTE (High Lord Larry @ Aug 4 2007, 11:51 PM)
QUOTE (Dragon Hellfire @ Aug 4 2007, 10:50 PM)
And I'll argue Farina being an Est.

Yeah. Wasn't Est the final PS?

lawl @ Syrene possibly being an Est.

Elincia maybe, but not Syrene. And Nino is more of an Est than Farina, so your last Peg. Knight definition doesn't hold true.

-blinkblink-

Unless you were directing that at DH.

The late game part phails in TSS, since the only part that can be called 'late game' is the final ~three chapters.

Leo Aldwulf - August 5, 2007 04:03 AM (GMT)
FE Archetypes are a trend of characters who are similiar in design, statistics, and function in Fire Emblem.

Jeigan - Early joining promoted unit who is there to protect/mentor the Lord character. Usually a Paladin. Examples: Jeigan, Oifaye, Marcus, Seth, and Titania. Fin is arguably a Jeigan.

Cain/Abel - A pair of early joining cavaliers who have connections to each other. One of the cavaliers will excel in Skl and Spd. The other will excel in HP and Str. One of the cavaliers' name will have a hard 'C' sound while the other will not. Examples: Cain/Abel, Alec/Noish, Alan/Lance, Kent/Sain, Kyle/Forde, and Oscar/Kieran. Othin and Halvan are arguably part of the Cain/Abel archetype.

Oguma - Male sworduser who excels in HP, Str, and Skl. Usually promotes to a Hero. Examples: Oguma, Holyn, Dieck, Raven, and Gerik. Stefan is arguably an Oguma.

Nabarl - Early joining enemy who excels in Skl and Spd. They are usually mercenaries. Usually has connections with a healer and/or thief. Examples: Nabarl, Jamka, Shiva, Rutger, Guy, Joshua, and Zihark.

Est - Late joining character who starts with low stats but has high potential. Usually female and/or mounted. Examples: Est, Nino, Farina, and L'arachel. Zeiss and Ewan are arguably Est characters.

Gato is not an archetype.

Dragon Hellfire - August 5, 2007 04:08 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Nintend-Fan @ Aug 4 2007, 06:57 PM)
QUOTE (High Lord Larry @ Aug 4 2007, 11:51 PM)
QUOTE (Dragon Hellfire @ Aug 4 2007, 10:50 PM)
And I'll argue Farina being an Est.

Yeah. Wasn't Est the final PS?

lawl @ Syrene possibly being an Est.

Elincia maybe, but not Syrene. And Nino is more of an Est than Farina, so your last Peg. Knight definition doesn't hold true.

Est being a Peg herself does make that Farina being an Est more likely. Add in that Farina has godly stats and comes late and underleveled and it's definitely sure that she's an Est.

Leo Aldwulf - August 5, 2007 04:47 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dragon Hellfire @ Aug 5 2007, 12:08 PM)
QUOTE (Nintend-Fan @ Aug 4 2007, 06:57 PM)
QUOTE (High Lord Larry @ Aug 4 2007, 11:51 PM)
QUOTE (Dragon Hellfire @ Aug 4 2007, 10:50 PM)
And I'll argue Farina being an Est.

Yeah. Wasn't Est the final PS?

lawl @ Syrene possibly being an Est.

Elincia maybe, but not Syrene. And Nino is more of an Est than Farina, so your last Peg. Knight definition doesn't hold true.

Est being a Peg herself does make that Farina being an Est more likely. Add in that Farina has godly stats and comes late and underleveled and it's definitely sure that she's an Est.

QUOTE (FEWiki Est Archetype article)

Farina

Farina is a Level 12 Pegasus Knight who joins Hector's group in Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword. She is a mercenary hired for 20,000G making her the first Est character whom you have to pay for. Her total growth rates are at 310%, which is the third highest total growth rates in this game. She has a good chance of maxing out Str, Skl, and Spd.

Farina is an Est


I may have written most of the article but still... >_>

Othin - August 5, 2007 12:02 PM (GMT)
Farina is actually a fusion of the Katua archetype and the Beowulf(/whatever FE1 character you have to pay to get to join, if any) archetype.

Sety - August 5, 2007 07:00 PM (GMT)
Farina is not an est. She's a beowulf. Same with Hugh, Volke, and Rennac.

Jeigan - August 5, 2007 07:03 PM (GMT)
Since when is Beowulf an archetype? ¬_¬

Sety - August 5, 2007 08:28 PM (GMT)
closest thing to it. Slightly underleveled unit with good stats but make you pay for it

also known as the whores.

Nintend-Fan - August 6, 2007 01:14 AM (GMT)
Where does that leave Rennac, though? He has the option of joining for free, and isn't underleveled at all.

Gennaro - August 6, 2007 02:00 AM (GMT)
I think he still is a Beowulf... They just make it that way so TSS to be even MORE easy.

YokaiKnight - August 6, 2007 05:01 AM (GMT)
This is why archetypes are stupid. It's too easy to make your own, for the most part they're all really flimsy and you can easily find some stupid way to qualify/disqualify someone, and not only are they NOT set in stone but as far as I know the developers don't even take them as seriously as we do.

Regardless, I have something to add (actually, subtract):
QUOTE (Nin)
Stefan of FE9 is sometimes considered one due to the lack of Mercenaries/Heroes in that game.
There's no Oguma in FE9. It's that simple. He's a mid-game arriving Swordmaster, not an early-arriving Mercenary/Hero. He doesn't fit the bill.


Nintend-Fan - August 6, 2007 05:02 AM (GMT)
...but I liek Ogumas. D:

...stupid FE9 gets a Nabarl but not an Oguma.

Dragon Hellfire - August 6, 2007 05:04 AM (GMT)
Rutger > Deak
Guy > Raven
Fe8 i dunno lol

Apparently they just said "*** it".

YokaiKnight - August 6, 2007 05:06 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Nintend-Fan @ Aug 5 2007, 10:02 PM)
...stupid FE9 gets a Nabarl but not an Oguma.

One of my favorite things about discussing FE9 is that it gave a giant "*** you" to archetypes. :)

Jeigan - August 6, 2007 05:14 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
This is why archetypes are stupid. It's too easy to make your own, for the most part they're all really flimsy and you can easily find some stupid way to qualify/disqualify someone, and not only are they NOT set in stone but as far as I know the developers don't even take them as seriously as we do.


I agree.

Reikken - August 6, 2007 05:30 AM (GMT)
Jeigan and red/green cavaliers.

maybe the MyrmidonWithAKillingEdge

YokaiKnight - August 6, 2007 05:44 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Reikken @ Aug 5 2007, 10:30 PM)
maybe the MyrmidonWithAKillingEdge

In spite of myself, I was wondering how Guy, Joshua, Zihark and friends got left out. Forget who this group's named after.

Leo Aldwulf - August 6, 2007 06:29 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Reikken @ Aug 6 2007, 01:30 PM)
MyrmidonWithAKillingEdge

Nabarl. |:

Archetypes only exist if there's a significant number of characters that fit into the archetype.

Gato isn't an archetype since only Athos fits into the description.
Beowulf isn't an archetype. Even if the archetype was real, Farina's inclusion would amount the number of 'Beowulf's to 2.
Oifaye isn't an archetype. No matter what you say, they're all Jeigans.


Asvel - August 6, 2007 01:16 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Leo Aldwulf @ Aug 6 2007, 01:29 AM)
Oifaye isn't an archetype. No matter what you say, they're all Jeigans.

And, contrary to newbie belief, not all Jeigans are crap. It's only the original Jeigan (and I guess Alan after him) who lost his durability in the earlygame. Even at that, they completely dominated the enemies for at least two chapters each. It seems to be a trend for early-joining Paladins to gradually increase in their respective tier levels (compare Old Marcus to Seth and Titania, and Jeigan to FE7 Marcus).

Does Anna count as an archetype? The "do you want to save your game" girl? Or is she just a recurring theme? <.<

Othin - August 6, 2007 01:36 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (YokaiKnight @ Aug 6 2007, 12:06 AM)
QUOTE (Nintend-Fan @ Aug 5 2007, 10:02 PM)
...stupid FE9 gets a Nabarl but not an Oguma.

One of my favorite things about discussing FE9 is that it gave a giant "*** you" to archetypes. :)

FE10 moreso. Not one archetype, unless you count the Laguz Kings as Gatos.

YokaiKnight - August 6, 2007 03:17 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Asvel @ Aug 6 2007, 06:16 AM)
Does Anna count as an archetype? The "do you want to save your game" girl? Or is she just a recurring theme?  <.<

Just a recurring character. I think you're reading too deep into this...not everything that appears frequently in a series is an archetype.

Sety - August 6, 2007 05:09 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Leo Aldwulf @ Aug 5 2007, 11:29 PM)
QUOTE (Reikken @ Aug 6 2007, 01:30 PM)
MyrmidonWithAKillingEdge

Nabarl. |:

Archetypes only exist if there's a significant number of characters that fit into the archetype.

Gato isn't an archetype since only Athos fits into the description.
Beowulf isn't an archetype. Even if the archetype was real, Farina's inclusion would amount the number of 'Beowulf's to 2.
Oifaye isn't an archetype. No matter what you say, they're all Jeigans.

there are actually 5, but I dun know if FE5 has one >_>

Leo Aldwulf - August 7, 2007 07:22 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sety @ Aug 7 2007, 01:09 AM)
QUOTE (Leo Aldwulf @ Aug 5 2007, 11:29 PM)
QUOTE (Reikken @ Aug 6 2007, 01:30 PM)
MyrmidonWithAKillingEdge

Nabarl. |:

Archetypes only exist if there's a significant number of characters that fit into the archetype.

Gato isn't an archetype since only Athos fits into the description.
Beowulf isn't an archetype. Even if the archetype was real, Farina's inclusion would amount the number of 'Beowulf's to 2.
Oifaye isn't an archetype. No matter what you say, they're all Jeigans.

there are actually 5, but I dun know if FE5 has one >_>

Assuming you mean Beowulf, let's take a look at all recruitable characters you must hire to join:

Beowulf
Hugh
Farina
Rennac
Volke

And I don't think you need to pay to get Rennac and Volke to join, IIRC. (Does Volke just need the gold to promote? I forgot.)

Beowulf is a Freeknight, meaning he's mounted. Only Farina is mounted among the other four.
Beowulf joins halfway through the game, in Chapter 2. Hugh, Farina, and Rennac are recruited fairly late, though. :/
Beowulf excels in HP, Str, and Skl. Only Farina excels in all three areas (though that may be because her growth rates are high all around (like Est) besides Def)

Hugh, Rennac and Volke don't seem to fit into Beowulf's description that much.

RenoTheWanderer - August 11, 2007 10:02 AM (GMT)
Not Really sure who it would be classified as or if its even an archetype but the late game PrePromoted Ax weilders Garret Gietz Dolza Largo? Maybe?

Eniomus - August 11, 2007 03:33 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (RenoTheWanderer @ Aug 11 2007, 05:02 AM)
Not Really sure who it would be classified as or if its even an archetype but the late game PrePromoted Ax weilders Garret Gietz Dolza Largo? Maybe?

There's a reason your list begins with Garret.

Hero Raven - August 12, 2007 12:22 AM (GMT)
whatabout the young guy that joins up fairly early, normally a young kid and thinks hes the toughest or always wants to be in battle, rolf, nils, ross, chad.

i dont know if this can be one but its all i could think of lol. probably a waste of time.

A/C - August 12, 2007 12:30 AM (GMT)
That's just lack of personalities going on.

Gennaro - August 12, 2007 06:17 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (A/C @ Aug 11 2007, 07:30 PM)
That's just lack of personalities going on.

:ditto:

Sety - August 12, 2007 06:45 PM (GMT)
@Leo: Volke costs you money as you go along.

Beowulf has high stats. Farina has high stats. Hugh has high stats. Volke has high stats. Rennac... err... :/

Chickens - August 12, 2007 11:22 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sety @ Aug 5 2007, 12:00 PM)
Farina is not an est. She's a beowulf. Same with Hugh, Volke, and Rennac.

XD There's an archtype for the money luvers??

Is there an archtype for pimps too? Sain, Gatrie? >:/

Nin-Finity - August 13, 2007 12:20 AM (GMT)
Sain and Gatrie both already have archetypes.




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