Title: Forgiveness.
Dez384 - September 5, 2007 07:51 PM (GMT)
Do you think that everyone should be forgiven, or that if they make a mistake they should live with it forever? Do you think that there is an extent of how much you can forgive people?
Black_Knight_456 - September 5, 2007 10:27 PM (GMT)
Depends on the extent of the mistake, if I accidentally gave someone a paper cut and they hate me forever for it then they must be crazy. However, if someone's raped, I could understand if they chose not to forgive their attacker.
Maraj - September 5, 2007 10:48 PM (GMT)
This one's simple, IMO.
If the person(s) affected by the action have to live with the results of it forever, it seems perfectly reasonable to me if the don't forgive the other d00d.
gamefreak - September 6, 2007 12:35 AM (GMT)
If someone posed as an alt account on a forum, and as part of his character flamed and made himself unliked, only for the reason that he wanted to find out what people thought of him, I would forgive him every time <3
I don't forget George Bush for being an idiot.
Dez384 - September 6, 2007 02:08 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (gamefreak @ Sep 5 2007, 08:35 PM) |
If someone posed as an alt account on a forum, and as part of his character flamed and made himself unliked, only for the reason that he wanted to find out what people thought of him, I would forgive him every time <3
I don't forget George Bush for being an idiot. |
That wasn't even the point of this topic. This topic was inspired by something someone wrote on my door: "Souls are sticky so they accumulate dirt easily and can only be cleaned one way..."
Fox520 - September 6, 2007 02:08 AM (GMT)
In a very serious case, if the person is very sorry, and repents what he/she did. Then I would forgive him/her.
Of course, my relation with the person wouldn't be the same anymore.
Diagon Dragnier - September 6, 2007 02:11 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Fox520 @ Sep 5 2007, 06:08 PM) |
| Of course, my relation with the person wouldn't be the same anymore. |
...then you aren't forgiving.
I don't think true forgiving on a large scale event such as rape will occur any more than how many times Denning is going to get laid ... irl.
None.
I'm sure I'm overblowing it but I don't think anybody could fully pardon somebody from something like that and just act with them like any other person. There will always be something stuck in your mind, because it was, as said, a "large scaled" event.
Maraj - September 6, 2007 02:43 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Diagon Dragnier @ Sep 5 2007, 09:11 PM) |
| QUOTE (Fox520 @ Sep 5 2007, 06:08 PM) | | Of course, my relation with the person wouldn't be the same anymore. |
...then you aren't forgiving.
I don't think true forgiving on a large scale event such as rape will occur any more than how many times Denning is going to get laid ... irl.
None.
I'm sure I'm overblowing it but I don't think anybody could fully pardon somebody from something like that and just act with them like any other person. There will always be something stuck in your mind, because it was, as said, a "large scaled" event.
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Agreed.
Except for the Denning example, 'cause then he'd kill me. >_>
Fox520 - September 6, 2007 04:17 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Diagon Dragnier @ Sep 5 2007, 09:11 PM) |
| QUOTE (Fox520 @ Sep 5 2007, 06:08 PM) | | Of course, my relation with the person wouldn't be the same anymore. |
...then you aren't forgiving.
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Why not? I've forgiven people for *** that they've done.
I'll be cool with them after. But now I'll what type of person they really are, and decide if I'm going to keep hanging out with this person, or just say whats up or something when he/she passes by.
Maraj - September 6, 2007 05:20 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Fox520 @ Sep 5 2007, 11:17 PM) |
| QUOTE (Diagon Dragnier @ Sep 5 2007, 09:11 PM) | | QUOTE (Fox520 @ Sep 5 2007, 06:08 PM) | | Of course, my relation with the person wouldn't be the same anymore. |
...then you aren't forgiving.
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Why not? I've forgiven people for *** that they've done.
I'll be cool with them after. But now I'll what type of person they really are, and decide if I'm going to keep hanging out with this person, or just say whats up or something when he/she passes by.
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I have to agree with DH here. Forgiveness is accepting what the other guy's done and moving on, IMO. If you're cool with the person afterwards, you'll have no reason to shun them, to any degree. Well, no reason in this context, anyway. >_>
Diagon Dragnier - September 6, 2007 08:37 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Fox520 @ Sep 5 2007, 08:17 PM) |
| QUOTE (Diagon Dragnier @ Sep 5 2007, 09:11 PM) | | QUOTE (Fox520 @ Sep 5 2007, 06:08 PM) | | Of course, my relation with the person wouldn't be the same anymore. |
...then you aren't forgiving.
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Why not? I've forgiven people for *** that they've done.
I'll be cool with them after. But now I'll what type of person they really are, and decide if I'm going to keep hanging out with this person, or just say whats up or something when he/she passes by.
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Because part of forgiving, literally, is giving up "all" reason for the occurrence. It can not change your relationship from then on in any way, otherwise you have not truly forgiven them, rather exculpating.
Fox520 - September 6, 2007 10:39 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Diagon Dragnier @ Sep 6 2007, 03:37 AM) |
| QUOTE (Fox520 @ Sep 5 2007, 08:17 PM) | | QUOTE (Diagon Dragnier @ Sep 5 2007, 09:11 PM) | | QUOTE (Fox520 @ Sep 5 2007, 06:08 PM) | | Of course, my relation with the person wouldn't be the same anymore. |
...then you aren't forgiving.
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Why not? I've forgiven people for *** that they've done.
I'll be cool with them after. But now I'll what type of person they really are, and decide if I'm going to keep hanging out with this person, or just say whats up or something when he/she passes by.
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Because part of forgiving, literally, is giving up "all" reason for the occurrence. It can not change your relationship from then on in any way, otherwise you have not truly forgiven them, rather exculpating.
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Ok then.
Since when did you get all deep fool?
Maraj - September 6, 2007 11:41 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Fox520 @ Sep 6 2007, 05:39 PM) |
| QUOTE (Diagon Dragnier @ Sep 6 2007, 03:37 AM) | | QUOTE (Fox520 @ Sep 5 2007, 08:17 PM) | | QUOTE (Diagon Dragnier @ Sep 5 2007, 09:11 PM) | | QUOTE (Fox520 @ Sep 5 2007, 06:08 PM) | | Of course, my relation with the person wouldn't be the same anymore. |
...then you aren't forgiving.
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Why not? I've forgiven people for *** that they've done.
I'll be cool with them after. But now I'll what type of person they really are, and decide if I'm going to keep hanging out with this person, or just say whats up or something when he/she passes by.
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Because part of forgiving, literally, is giving up "all" reason for the occurrence. It can not change your relationship from then on in any way, otherwise you have not truly forgiven them, rather exculpating.
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Ok then.
Since when did you get all deep fool?
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Since he clicked on Intelligent Discussion, I'd assume.
Dez384 - September 6, 2007 11:44 PM (GMT)
Wouldn't every reasoning being have the capacity of being "deep"?
Maraj - September 6, 2007 11:50 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dez384 @ Sep 6 2007, 06:44 PM) |
| Wouldn't every reasoning being have the capacity of being "deep"? |
Theoretically.
Dez384 - September 6, 2007 11:57 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Maraj @ Sep 6 2007, 07:50 PM) |
| QUOTE (Dez384 @ Sep 6 2007, 06:44 PM) | | Wouldn't every reasoning being have the capacity of being "deep"? |
Theoretically.
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Are you saying that does not hold true? Every reasoning being holds the capacity, but many choose not to use it.
Maraj - September 7, 2007 12:02 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dez384 @ Sep 6 2007, 06:57 PM) |
| QUOTE (Maraj @ Sep 6 2007, 07:50 PM) | | QUOTE (Dez384 @ Sep 6 2007, 06:44 PM) | | Wouldn't every reasoning being have the capacity of being "deep"? |
Theoretically.
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Are you saying that does not hold true? Every reasoning being holds the capacity, but many choose not to use it.
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If they refuse to do so, then you could in a sense say they are mentally incapable of such.
In another sense, most if not all human brains are physically capable of being "deep", as you say.
Thus my vague answer.
Eniomus - September 7, 2007 12:08 AM (GMT)
My personal philosophy is that there's really no such thing as choices at all, because there's exactly one conclusion that you would come to. Which means that anything that didn't happen, couldn't happen.
It's not that easy to explain, though, so it probably doesn't seem to make much sense.
Maraj - September 7, 2007 05:21 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Eniomus @ Sep 6 2007, 07:08 PM) |
My personal philosophy is that there's really no such thing as choices at all, because there's exactly one conclusion that you would come to. Which means that anything that didn't happen, couldn't happen.
It's not that easy to explain, though, so it probably doesn't seem to make much sense. |
That's my philosophy, gtfo it. >_>
But seriously, I agree. Just most others don't see it like that.
Inuyasha Lover - September 11, 2007 02:06 AM (GMT)
I think it really depends on what the person did. But I do think people deserve a second chance.
Inui - September 11, 2007 02:45 AM (GMT)
I'm a forgiving person. The only people I'd forgive anything of are probably Asvel and my mother, though. XD