Title: Theory VS Reality
Dez384 - September 11, 2007 04:40 PM (GMT)
Which is better to follow: Theory or Reality?
Maraj - September 11, 2007 10:18 PM (GMT)
panda66 - September 11, 2007 10:41 PM (GMT)
Theoretically, there is no reality,
But there cannot be theory without reality to base it off of,
so I cannot say either
swordsmen - September 12, 2007 01:19 AM (GMT)
You can have your beliefs,but you cannot let reality ever escape you.
Maraj - September 12, 2007 03:18 PM (GMT)
I still don't know what you guys are talking about. ;_;
Sety - September 13, 2007 03:12 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Maraj @ Sep 12 2007, 08:18 AM) |
| I still don't know what you guys are talking about. ;_; |
then don't post
I go by reality, but where reality fails I go by theory.
Eniomus - September 13, 2007 03:14 AM (GMT)
If you want to understand something but don't, you obviously ask for clarification. >.>
Maraj - September 13, 2007 03:14 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Maraj @ Sep 11 2007, 03:18 PM) |
| Wut? |
^^^
<_<
Sety - September 13, 2007 03:18 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Eniomus @ Sep 12 2007, 08:14 PM) |
| If you want to understand something but don't, you obviously ask for clarification. >.> |
but posting one word statements that are off the topic in an intelligent discussion board, then continuing to post off topic is unnecessary.
that being said, I should stfu now.
@maraj: do you believe in sutff like religion/science or not. That's basically what it's saying.
Maraj - September 13, 2007 03:25 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Sety @ Sep 12 2007, 08:18 PM) |
| do you believe in sutff like religion/science or not. That's basically what it's saying. |
*blinks*
Believe in, or believe? 'cause it'd be rather hard to disprove science and religion existing...>_>
Dez384 - September 13, 2007 03:26 AM (GMT)
Actually, the basis of this topic didn't spring from that at all. Sometimes reality and theory do not align. For example, theory says that there is a difference between 1 and 0.9repeating, but in reality there is no difference at all. The ideal gas law predicts how gases react in theory, but in reality gases don't act ideally at high pressures or low temperatures. Which do you believe is more accurate and should be followed: Theory or Reality?
Maraj - September 13, 2007 03:28 AM (GMT)
...'k.
It seems fairly obvious to me that reality, where data is available, is preferable, but that probably just indicates I'm still confused and should gtfo.
*skidoodles*
Diagon Dragnier - September 13, 2007 05:10 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dez384 @ Sep 12 2007, 07:26 PM) |
| theory says that there is a difference between 1 and 0.9repeating, but in reality there is no difference at all. |
In reality the difference is .1^infinity
>__>;;
Unless you mean that whole "you make the facts yourself" argument.
Maraj - September 13, 2007 05:47 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Diagon Dragnier @ Sep 12 2007, 10:10 PM) |
| QUOTE (Dez384 @ Sep 12 2007, 07:26 PM) | | theory says that there is a difference between 1 and 0.9repeating, but in reality there is no difference at all. |
In reality the difference is .1^infinity
>__>;;
Unless you mean that whole "you make the facts yourself" argument.
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0.0^infinity1, actually >_>
Eniomus - September 13, 2007 12:05 PM (GMT)
You're both wrong. It's 0.1 x 10^-infinity.
In any case: I see theory as only useful for explaining things not already known in reality. If it conflicts reality, it's obviously wrong and shouldn't be considered to mean anything.
Dez384 - September 13, 2007 01:18 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE |
| All models are wrong, some are useful |
swordsmen - September 13, 2007 04:06 PM (GMT)
Well here an idea kinda stupid and sombody probably allready said,
We us theory,to help us explain reality.
Diagon Dragnier - September 14, 2007 12:34 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Eniomus @ Sep 13 2007, 04:05 AM) |
| You're both wrong. It's 0.1 x 10^-infinity. |
That's actually almost exactly what I said, just you added the wrong "x10" and reversed the relation. Negative infinity is the difference with .9repeating being the first number in the function, whereas positive infinity is the difference with 1 being the first number in the function. x10 is wrong because order of operations, it does .1/10 of 10^-infinity, meaning it could never be the number for even the first nine in the number.
.1 * 10^1 = 1
.1 * 10^2 = 10
See?
Maraj: 0 to any power will always be 0. <__<;;
Srsly, .1^infinity or .1^-infinity depending on how you look at it.
Maraj - September 14, 2007 12:39 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Diagon Dragnier @ Sep 13 2007, 05:34 PM) |
| QUOTE (Eniomus @ Sep 13 2007, 04:05 AM) | | You're both wrong. It's 0.1 x 10^-infinity. |
That's actually almost exactly what I said, just you added the wrong "x10" and reversed the relation. Negative infinity is the difference with .9repeating being the first number in the function, whereas positive infinity is the difference with 1 being the first number in the function. x10 is wrong because order of operations, it does .1/10 of 10^-infinity, meaning it could never be the number for even the first nine in the number.
.1 * 10^1 = 1 .1 * 10^2 = 10
See?
Maraj: 0 to any power will always be 0. <__<;;
Srsly, .1^infinity or .1^-infinity depending on how you look at it.
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*ponders*
...yeah, you're right, I just misread what you said. >_>
.1^infinity.
Dez384 - September 14, 2007 12:46 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Diagon Dragnier @ Sep 13 2007, 08:34 PM) |
| QUOTE (Eniomus @ Sep 13 2007, 04:05 AM) | | You're both wrong. It's 0.1 x 10^-infinity. |
That's actually almost exactly what I said, just you added the wrong "x10" and reversed the relation. Negative infinity is the difference with .9repeating being the first number in the function, whereas positive infinity is the difference with 1 being the first number in the function. x10 is wrong because order of operations, it does .1/10 of 10^-infinity, meaning it could never be the number for even the first nine in the number.
.1 * 10^1 = 1 .1 * 10^2 = 10
See?
Maraj: 0 to any power will always be 0. <__<;;
Srsly, .1^infinity or .1^-infinity depending on how you look at it.
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Are you saying that the difference is 0.111111111111111111111111111111111111infinity? That is what I'm getting from your statement.
It is 0.0000000000000000000000ifinity1.
Diagon Dragnier - September 14, 2007 12:47 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dez384 @ Sep 13 2007, 04:46 PM) |
| QUOTE (Diagon Dragnier @ Sep 13 2007, 08:34 PM) | | QUOTE (Eniomus @ Sep 13 2007, 04:05 AM) | | You're both wrong. It's 0.1 x 10^-infinity. |
That's actually almost exactly what I said, just you added the wrong "x10" and reversed the relation. Negative infinity is the difference with .9repeating being the first number in the function, whereas positive infinity is the difference with 1 being the first number in the function. x10 is wrong because order of operations, it does .1/10 of 10^-infinity, meaning it could never be the number for even the first nine in the number.
.1 * 10^1 = 1 .1 * 10^2 = 10
See?
Maraj: 0 to any power will always be 0. <__<;;
Srsly, .1^infinity or .1^-infinity depending on how you look at it.
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Are you saying that the difference is 0.111111111111111111111111111111111111infinity? That is what I'm getting from your statement.
It is 0.0000000000000000000000ifinity1.
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.1 * .1 = .01 not .11
<__<;;
Eniomus - September 14, 2007 02:34 AM (GMT)
Uh, I said -infinity, not infinity. As in, 10 to negative powers, or in other words... x 0.1. >.>
The things we said were exactly the same. Mine was just showing it in scientific notation, since I hadn't thought much about what your post said and thought you had made a mistake trying to use it. Whoops.
Diagon Dragnier - September 14, 2007 02:59 AM (GMT)
But it would only be .1 if infinity was = to 1.
Lets just say infinity is now at 2.
.1 * 2/10 = .02
...or 3...
.1 * 3/10 = .03
So not even that works.
Eniomus - September 14, 2007 03:05 AM (GMT)
*Facepalm*
Did you forget how negative exponents work or something? >.>
Either that or you mis-read my post...
Reikken - September 14, 2007 03:10 AM (GMT)
1 - 0.999... == 10^-∞ == 0.1^∞
Diagon Dragnier - September 14, 2007 03:22 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Eniomus @ Sep 13 2007, 07:05 PM) |
*Facepalm*
Did you forget how negative exponents work or something? >.> |
Oh, yeah, I thought it was 10^-∞ = ∞/10 for some reason <___<;;
It's 1/10^∞, right?
Also, wouldn't that make the prefix ".1 *" obsolete?
Eniomus - September 14, 2007 03:36 AM (GMT)
Yeah, I realized that after reading Reikkien's post. >.>
But then, technically 0.1 doesn't exist in scientific notation, making it 1 and... Yeah, obsolete. Whoops.
Dez384 - September 14, 2007 06:47 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Eniomus @ Sep 13 2007, 11:36 PM) |
| But then, technically 0.1 doesn't exist in scientific notation, making it 1 and... Yeah, obsolete. Whoops. |
1x10^-1
Eniomus - September 14, 2007 07:03 PM (GMT)
10 is already to the negative infinity power, though, so it stays basically the same. In this at least.
That is, if that's what you're trying to say...
Lumoroske - September 17, 2007 12:14 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (swordsmen @ Sep 13 2007, 08:06 AM) |
Well here an idea kinda stupid and sombody probably allready said,
We us theory,to help us explain reality. |
That's my opinion. Theory is certainly useful for trying to predict the outcomes of the unknown, like when experimenting with chemicals for instance. But once the known is established, theory loses some use. That and doing things in reality is different in theory. Example: you could learn everything there is to playing the violin in theory, but that certaintly won't make you a wonder at playing it. The theory work will help, but it certaintly can't make up for doing things in reality.
Hmm so I suppose I could shorten that to: Theory is a great blueprint for building reality. As long as one remembers that the blueprint is not the building itself.