On the subject of the 9/11 terrorist act of 2001, it's rather obvious now that the general society of America views it with shock and horror. Like a second Pearl Harbor, the country is struck with grief, fright, and anger.

What is your opinion?

How do you view this occurrence? Are you struck with the same patriotic feelings as the rest of America, or could you possibly care less?

Well, it got us into this conundrum that is the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, and it's gotten to the point where we have to almost keep our troops there to keep the terrorist attacks focused more overseas and not here in America.

It made me much more aware of the target America is in the perspective of terrorism, but I feel less and less patriotic every year as the war drags on and the situation gets more and more impossible for the troops and their families.

What's done is done.

Also, it didn't affect me or anyone I know.

I care about it about as much as I care about the Black Plague.

Lol i just talked about this is S.S. in school today,I think anyone who has the nerve to attack the U.S. that isn't really even a country,is either gutsy,or just plain stupid.As we proved after it happened.I think if we just let back and take it,other countries would do just as terrorists wanted,for other countries to think we are nothing strong.Andi honestly am very nationalistic,i hat people who protest sending troops to iraq becuase they dont want soldiers geting killed...Do they realize what the point of a soldiers career is,that they are supposed to protect us and what we stand for?So they shouldnt do there job becaus its to dangerous?Should firemen stop working because they might get burned,or policemn becuase they might get shot?

Willl continue later...this is going to be a big rant XD


Oh and a bit of a fun fact,did you know that the middle east is creating a skyscraper that will in the end be over 2,500 feet tall? its named barj dubei or something like that, to show there "amazing power".

Same here...

One thing to think about in relation to 911 is that, as terrible as it was, it could have been worse. If it had never happened, something worse could have easily happened later. If nothing else, it gave America a wake up call.

I remember seeing the smoke on that day... I lived on the east coast of NJ, which was close enough to see the smoke. It sucked.

When it first happened, I didn't really care. I was only 11, I didn't even know about those two towers up until then.

Now, I still dont think or worry about it.

My dad was a cop at 9/11,apparently a poisonus and shard filled gas of ruble and dirt covered the area when they fell my dad was lucky and got into a nearbye building when thhis happened,but he breathed in some smoke,now he has to sleep using a breathing mask every night to make sure his air ways don't colapse.

My comments are practically the same as Fox's, except I was ten.

Although, I do remember that huge news story they covered on FOX news. They were talking about how the country was in a state of crisis; they even showed footage of people jumping out of the buildings and falling like bricks.

Years (and days even) later, every 9/11, they showed commercials that had these saddening songs playing in the background, and they often showed people crying. They also showed the memorial service - or the screens of it, anyway - where the name of those who died in the accident were read aloud.

I just didn't feel anything, though. Perhaps if I were older, or perhaps if someone I knew died there. But...nothing.

So you guys arent at all affected?They died oh well it happens?Some people died or had there lives changed permanetly becuase of this event.And what your saying is you don't really care?Becuase it did not affect you?People gave there lives to save others.People put others lives above thereselves.Do you think none of them knew there was a good chance they would die?My dad tried his best as well to save others,and it cost him his abilitity to walk ,it gave him a disease which causes constant pain and it cannot be cured.If he doesnt use a special machine every night his air ways could colapse and he could die.But he helped knowing of the consiquences,and im happy he got out alive.If this kind of bravery,and the fact that even in panic our countries people work to help others and don't give up,willing to give up there lives just to save mabye even one other isnt worth being honored and celebrated...For people not to care just becuase it doesnt directly affects there lives,that just makes me sad.

I feel completely the same. And I can't say I really care about the black plague.

We weren't directly affected, so it's hard for us to really care. Which is good in a sense, 'cause if we mourned every sad event that happened we'd all be depressed.

I remember a while ago I saw some damn good points on this subject, but I forgot where. Ah well.

I was at home when this happened. didn't know about it until I went to school. It was sad to hear what happened. I hope to god nothing like that or even worse happens again. But it doesn't really affected me that much. I do care that so many people have lost their lives trying to help others. I really do care. so I think about it every now and then. but its in the past now, so whats done is done, no one can change that.
I'm sorry that those people had to die and that people lost their love ones. no one deserve to die like that, or to feel that pain.

you guys do know that there is a song about this day right?

You do know that you're supposed to put a space after punctuation, right?

I agree with you, btw. People saying they don't care at all...wow...wtf... I've never seen it before.

no offense, but can you make that readable? >_>

basically what den and fox said... I think I was like 8 though. I don't think of it at all anymore, but I can understand why people would. I have sympathy for the relatives of those who died still.

For the record it wasn't at "all", it was just a "wow, sucks" then move on for me.

9/11 was a serious and grave event for anyone in this country. It was a time of sorrow and devastation, but of course those that were affected more closely than others will have stronger feelings than those of us who were nowhere near the towers.

False, actually, but I think we've already covered that. >_>

In short, his dad was one of the people who tried to save others, and he's pissed that everyone's directly stating that they don't care.

I wasn't there, but it's an awful thing that happened. I mean, tons of people died, and anyone would undo it if possible.

Our country was maliciously attacked by terrorists. This is like saying Pearl Harbor wasn't a big deal for people on the East coast or something.

I actually don't really care about Pearl Harbor either.

Please leave America. -.-

I mean... Come on, dude. How can you not care?

It really didn't effect me at all. I mean, it isn't like I'm saying it's a good thing or that the people involved didn't matter, just I don't really care about the entire thing. It really didn't effect me at all.

^^^

nationalism,patriotism,or mabye sympathy,do any of these terms apply to you at all?And to crrect what was said i am more sad for those who died then my father, my dad got th lucky end of the deal .

I'm sorry, Swordsmen, but that's just how we feel. Perhaps if I had someone over there die I'd feel this more strongly, but I just can't bring myself to be woeful and regretful over the lives lost.

Is it a sad occasion? Yes, I never said it wasn't. However, it's hard to feel sympathy for every lost life. If we did that, then the whole world would be in a state of perpetual sadness for all eternity.

But as an American, you should be affected by it. You should feel the devestation. You should feel for the families of the lives lost. As a very supportive American, I strongly feel for the victims of 9/11. It affects me, makes me feel more patriotic, thankful nothing happened to anyone I know.

9/11 is supposed to be a day all Americans can come together and act as one for once. To create an atmosphere showing we have pride in our country. Not a feeling of "Oh, it didn't effect me because I didn't know anyone that was a victim." Why should knowing a victim make everything so much different? Hell, maybe you should have watched all the names be read off that died and the sadness in the victims families as they said there victims names. Maybe you should go to Ground Zero like myself, and not help but feel the compassion and the sure awe of what happened. Maybe you need to start actually feeling more about the country that has given you so much and deciding an attack on our soil is not permitted.

Its still our soil, our country, our pride, our freedom, and it needs to sink in to everybody that terrorist attacks can happen anywhere, and that when they do happen, we need to come together as one. So don't tell me that 9/11 doesnt mean much to you, because it should. Its not like I think about it daily, but when it gets near 9/11, I know that its a great time to show your patriotism and look strong for those who died.

Nationalism? Patriotism? Lawl.

It's hard to feel sympathy for people you didn't know, who's lives had nothing to do with yours. It may be easier for some people, but that doesn't mean the people who don't are wrong.

This reminds me of something interesting someone on FEP brought up: How is ~3,000 people dieing at 9-11 so much worse than the thousands of Americans who die every day for other reasons, or even the people we kill in other countries who could be considered to be in a similar position?

Umm, because last I checked, our nation was attacked. Dont get me wrong, I feel for people that pass away each day, it happens. But since when do you compare people dying for natural reasons and other stuff, to a terrorist attack on our soil?

I totally just found our your only 13, which means, you weren't old enough to even have a grasp on what happened, you were what? Eight? Don't argue something with me that you won't remember in five years.

Ho ***... this is even funnier, your not even 13 yet, meaning you were only 6 when it happened... wow. Your not even supposed to be on IF and your trying to argue big people matters.

We similarly attack other countries quite a bit, and that still means that the thing about people dying doesn't mean much.

I was young when it happened, but I've always understood most things better than anyone else my age. Also, how could I forget it when it gets brought up this often, eh?

And I'll thank you not to associate my age with my intelligence level. Again, I'm a lot smarter than anyone around my age that I know.

I'll associate the fact that when your in first grade all you worry about is finger painting and recess. To a six year old, the impact like 9/11 wouldn't bother you as much as older people.

Tell me the last time we did a kamikaze attack on another nation, killing innocent civilans, just to send a message... Because the closest thing I can think of is the Boston Tea Party, and that didn't end in innocent bloodshed.

TD, don't even go there with the age = intelligence thing, especially since you've no right in putting someone down just because they're a couple of years younger than you. That's provoking a huge argument in itself, so stop now before you see another warn level increase.

Anywho, our points still stand. Either way, we just can't feel the same amount of compassion that you guys can simply because of the fact that it didn't hurt us as greatly. I've got respect and I won't talk down about the dead, but honestly. We aren't any less human because we don't feel as patriotic as you guys do, all that means is that we weren't majorly shocked by the loss. I'm thankful and glad no one I knew was caught up in the attack, so instead of mourning, I'm being thankful that worse didn't happen.

Othin/Eniomus got some of your points, but I'll just argue a few of them myself:

Don't we frequently attack other nations and kill the innocents within them, too? Does that mean we should break down and cry because of that? No, when we kill our enemies in war, there's nothing but celebration and praise. When non-Americans die in wars/conflicts involving America, it seems that the Americans couldn't give a *** about the situation. Now when America gets attacked, everyone gets sad and tries to bring in asinine stereotypes about the enemies who attacked them, such as how all people of Middle-eastern descent are terrorists. That's hypocrisy at it's finest.

Once again, people aren't always dying due to natural reasons. Hell, other Americans are killing each other over some bull*** every damn day. There's still killing over races and sexualities, and...need I go on? Dedicating a memorial to those killed in 9/11 is fine - just remember, we've got to mourn for the other millions - billions, even - lives lost on American soil.

Honestly, I've tried as hard as I could to feel the pain. But, not much of anything came. All I could do was pray about it and move on.

And "other stuff"? Remember that people dying from "other stuff" are also those who died from the hands of other Americans, as well.

Answer me this: Why can't we do this on every other day? Yet again, others have been needlessly killed on American soil for equally petty reasons such as the 9/11 attack. We've got to mourn everyone, then, which just can't be done.

It makes things different because then it's actually something that you can completely relate to.

That's perfectly fine. Still, though, shouldn't that mean that we should go on to make sure that crime is eliminated from this world entirely? We shouldn't just go "MAN *** YOU" whenever there isn't a terrorist attack, show love to each other when there is, and then go back to fighting when the thing has died down a bit. That's the kind of country America is. Two-faced and cold.

However, shouldn't we come together when ANYTHING happens, regardless? I live in Florida which was leveled by hurricanes in '04-05, so when Ivan hit us and then I saw Canadian power trucks coming all the way down here to the panhandle to give us power (I don't know why Gulf Power didn't do much, but whatever), I felt thankful that we (or my neighborhood anyway) didn't have to go another 2 weeks without power.

Then Katrina hits us. And we still have people there homeless, with nothing at all. We can't forget about them, can we? I've seen sad old people who've lost everything, who've no longer anything more to life for, and they're entering their last days. If we need to feel sorry for those who are dead and are dying daily, REGARDLESS OF THE EVENT, then we need to feel for those who are still alive and suffering, too.

We don't need to launch any kamikaze attacks on other nations. War in Iraq. Does that ring a bell?

Sending messages has nothing to do with it.

I'm not seeing how the smartest kid for his age in the school would be fitting into those age stereotypes. I didn't give a *** about finger painting at that point, and while I enjoyed recess it ranked below my math class. I'll add that even then I was the only person my age who was good enough at math to be in said class.

As for the thing about it not impacting me much, I'll just mention that I knew enough about politics to have known that we were screwed the moment Bush was elected president. IIRC, I had a theory around the time that happened that his brother had had someone rig Florida's voting machines... Not to distract from the main topic or anything.

And it doesn't have to be a kamikaze attack for no purpose other than a message for it be close enough in their eyes to what they did in our eyes.

I never said you should feel the same as me,just a shred of sympathy for those who dieed,to realize what happened was horrible, people were jumping out of the building on fire,dieing from heart attacks before they even hit the ground, inhaling glass and poisonous gases, steel bar collapseing on top of them. IN the end over a mile was covered in a thin layer of dust and shard from when it fell, and all this just becuase we are america? Just becuase we are free,and others don't like that?
I just ask that you feel somewhat, it should slightly affect you. Even if no one you know well was involved,to just think about those who did lose from this,not as much as someone like i would,but just a litte atleast.And yes i did get alittle defencive my that one post i know but i kinda got anoyed. ye the it happened it sucks thing.

Oh and what i said is not farfetched that was the scene on 9/ 11

In the end, what matters is that they died. If people die, people die. It's always happening.

What makes the deaths on 9/11 more important than the thousands of other deaths every day?

lol, Othin is smarter than you, imo, TD. :lol:

Anyways, to people like DH: You don't have to feel emotional about it, but saying you don't care about our nation being attacked and all those people id heartless...and probably stems from your immaturity and being so young when it happened.

It was a malicious, organized attack on our country. That's what's different.

@swordsmen: Put spaces after punctuation and use the shift key. Your posts are hard to read.

I really do care about what happened, but It didn't effect me, so I can't really express my thoughts. I DO care, though. >>

If you aren't expressing at least one form of emotion no matter how small, you, in the most simplest form, are not caring. You can say you're caring, but it won't exactly be true.

:twitch:

But yeah, guys, asking someone to "care" is kind of silly.