Okay, so we've had a good month now to play through the game once or twice and get a general feel for it.

Now, Bonzai has already gone and made a full tier list, and I don't mean to undermine his effort, but I think we need a bit more structure than that.

Here's my proposition:

-Part 1 Tier List
-Part 2 Tier List
-Part 3 Tier List
-Part 4 Tier List
-Overall Tier List (perhaps Bonzai's...)

This game has the most characters AND the most chapters of any FE game in existence, so we're going to need to broaden the list to accommodate that.

We're going to need to set up a basic structure before we can make a tier list, so... discuss.

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Part 1:

High Tier
Sothe
Zihark
Volug
Nolan
Laura
Nailah
Black Knight
Rafiel
Tauroneo

Mid Tier
Tormod
Aran
Jill
Edward
Micaiah

Low Tier
Muarim
Ilyana
Leonardo
Meg
Vika
Fiona

Part 2:

High Tier
Haar
Elincia
Leanne

Mid Tier
Nephenee
Kieran
Geoffrey
Brom
Danved
Marcia
Calill
Makalov

Low Tier
Nealuchi
Lucia
Mordecai
Heather
Lethe
Astrid

Wai not at FESS where there are moar people and moar debaeters? >_>

Because I don't go to FESS, and don't like FESS.

We aren't FESS. Our tier list should not = FESS's.

Oops.

Meant FEFF >_>

I recommend we pitch Banzai's. That can be "his" tier list. What we need is an FES tier list, one we all agree on. Banzai's list is really what Banzai thinks. I'll try to make a part 1 tier list by tomorrow, and see if anyone agrees or has suggestions. (If I am beaten, I won't make one.)

EDIT: FOr part 1, we do not include the BK, right?

I'd wait until we get average stats and Solide finishes his stat analysis. He's convinced me it's what's best. Until then I reserve my thoughts.

Why...not?...

The BK should be included, IMO. He IS a playable character, is he not?

Just for part one list. I wouldn't include him in the overall one.

FESS sucks. >.> I recall that for their debating tournament, they placed Chad in Mid-tier.

Do you include Orson in FE8's tier list?

FEFF is the best at the games by far.

I'm not seeing tier lists based on parts working that well because of the various things that aren't defined by parts. Personally, for the first three parts, I'd make it based on groups rather than parts, so characters can be compared to the characters they'd be around anyway, then a separate Part IV tier list. We already know how hard it is to compare for an overall tier list, and would it really mean anything anyway?

Isn't an overall tier list essentially a part 4 tier list? Do we really need both?

Overall is all of them combined...

Well, here's an example.

Part 1: Sothe = best unit by far.
Part 4: Sothe = bleh.

Opinions plz? <__<;

@Hunter-Ghor: The real problem is part 3, where you use 2 different parties.

Anyway, this is my part 1 tier list:

Sothe
Zihark
Black Knight
Volug
Tauroneo
Muarim
Tormod
Jill
Nolan
Edward
Laura
Micaiah
Aran
Ilyana
Leonardo
Rafiel
Nailah
Vika
Fiona
Meg

I'll make another topic for suggestions/comments on it.

Agreed, except that I think all four parts should be combined into one.

Also, I'm waiting til I finish taking my enemy stat samples and until FEwiki brings out the averages. Until then it's mostly pointless, so I'm not bothering (at least until one of the two happens).

BTW, my tier list is outdated, and no longer my exact opinions.

How a unit performs endgame =/= how a unit performs throughout the entire game.

Ah, the overall tier list is for the entire game while the part 4 list is...Okay.

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Eh, let's give Part 2 a try:

Top:
Haar
Elincia
Leanne

Mid:
Nephenee
Kieran
Geoffrey
Brom
Danved
Marcia
Calill
Makalov

Low:
Nealuchi
Lucia
Mordecai
Heather
Lethe
Astrid

I say we put Heather up 2 spaces since she is the only thief in the whole part.

That means nothing when there isn't any treasure to be stolen.

How about Geoffrey up above Kieran? Better bases, and paragon is locked to him in Hard, so even if you are not killing anyone you can get a level or two.

Nealuchi above Lucia. He's in the prologue where you need him, Marcia, and Elincia to kill things until Haar comes, and can use grass with his laguz stone. He also has Canto.

Makalov under Callil. He has swords, and doesn't even come with good stuff. His bases aren't astounding either.

Kieran is 5 levels lower with roughly the same combat abilities, plus a superior weapon type. Paragon isn't all that great on Geoffrey, because it's basically like... 8 EXP instead of 3 or 4, which isn't game breaking. Kieran being at a less level helps to nullify that anyway.

Brom Up one, Danved Up one (AKA move Marcia down twice)

Brom, although sucky most of the game, is useful in the first two chapters you get him. Being the only general, he can take plenty of hits before needing to heal.

Danved comes around when more sucky units are around (IE Astrid, Makalov). He's got a killer lance IIRC which can take down any units he can't double. The horseslayer weapon is available in the shop that chapter and could be quite a boon to him. The only thing he's got bad for him is his a-bit-lower-than-average defense. His bad base HP is nothing due to his wtfh4x HP growth.

Marcia however is not very useful in the prolouge due to the weapon triangle (although it is eliminated in Maniac Mode) and Haar, Elincia, and Nealuchi could totally take all those dracoknights on thier own. The next time you get her, Danved and Geoffrey are around to take the primary lancer position. In the endgame she's hardly useful due to the overwhelming amount of Crossbows and bow users in the level and becomes more of a liability than an asset.

There's that one boss! I think he has a skill book or something.

Yeah, there's a lot to be stoled. None of it is overly important, though, aside from the few stat-boosters.

Stat Boosters >>>

Allows for better BEXP level ups.

God Tier
Sothe
Zihark
Volug
Nolan
Laura
Nailah
Black Knight
Rafiel
Tauroneo

Mid Tier
Tormod
Aran
Jill
Edward
Micaiah

Low Tier
Muarim
Ilyana
Leonardo
Meg
Vika
Fiona

This is our current Part 1 Tier List. Some people are calling for a revision of it, so, let's take a look again.

Also, it might be more efficient to split the Tier list into team sections instead of part sections, since otherwise Part 3 tiers would be really screwy. So I'm thinking Dawn Brigade, Crimean Army, Greil Mercenaries, Part 4, and overall.

Also, I think Hard Mode should be considered in this, at least partially. Lack of the weapon triangle is indeed retarded, but outside of that, it isn't as hard as people seem to think.

Do. Not. Make. A. Tier. List. That. Includes. Multiple. Modes.

Regardless.

That just over complicates things. Instead, make two tier lists.

The unused tier are people who I am either not using or haven't recruited yet (chapter 7)

There is order in the tiers.

Supports: Mickey/Sothe, Leo/Edward, Laura/Nolan.

Sothe because he has the highest accuracy and might until you get Tauro.

Tauro because he's god, but he isn't around for as long as Sothe and doesn't find hidden items or get chests as easily.

Nolan because he hits everything and hard.

Laura because she has immense healing capabilities.

Zihark because he's really speedy, but low HP and mt on some enemies.

Micaiah because she is a hard hitting magic unit, but has frailty and speed issues.

Jill because her HP is laughable and uses axes Dx

Voulg because he barely takes any hits under 10 mt.

Edward isn't exactly strong at all >_>

Ilyana is slow...

Leo is lol.

Tauro is only around for 2 chapters in Part 1, and then leaves. He gets 2 other chapters in Part 3, but he's no longer God at that point.

He has no place being above units like Nolan, Laura, and Zihark.

>_>

Zihark had like no durability, even after supporting Volug for me. But you're right about Tauro.

God Tier
Sothe
Nolan
Laura
Zihark
Naliah

Mid Tier
BK
Rafiel
Micaiah
Tauroneo
Jill
Volug
Edward
Ilyana

Low Tier
Leonardo

Unused Tier
Vika
Tormod
Fiona
Meg
Aran

Rafiel has like no movement >_>

Give Rafiel Celerity. He deserves it way more than Tormod does, or anyone else with the capacity for it for that matter.

Zihark dodges a lot and can take hits better than 2/3 of the team, so I don't see how he has no durability.

Oshi- I forgot you could <_<

In the times he was hit (way more then what it should have been) he lost like half of his health in chapter 7 to F, or for me at least. Of course, he has 30 HP >_>

God Tier
Sothe
Nolan
Laura
Zihark
Rafiel
BK
Naliah

Mid Tier
Micaiah
Tauroneo
Jill
Tormod
Aran
Volug
Edward


Low Tier
Ilyana
Leonardo
Meg
Fiona
Vika

Low tier doesn't have an order.

I still think Ilyana isn't that bad durring part one. Her base Spd is h4x.

Where's Muarim?

Edit: Also, about the other tier lists? Muarim should be way higher. He's at least h4x when he is transformed.