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Title: Sety vs Beta_Kraid


Inui - December 15, 2007 04:28 AM (GMT)
hooray

Sety - December 15, 2007 05:15 AM (GMT)
Vanessa supports Moulder. Lute supports Artur. Healing then Fighting > fighting then healing. Therefore, Moulder + Vanessa > Artur + Lute. Moulder and Artur become the same class in the end, so they are actually the same variable, so they can be taken out. This leaves Vanessa > Lute.

Hmm, that reminds me of my math lesson today >_>

Let's do some more stuff from my math lesson today:

Conjecture: A guess based on past experiance.

Example: If it is snowing, it is (or is close to) the winter season.


Snow only occurs when the temperature reaches 32 degrees Fahrenheit, which usually doesn't occur outside of November-February, making my conjecture true.

Here's my next one:

If Vanessa is a Dyke, then she : enemy :: Nazis : Jews.

Remember This? Proof that my hypothesis is true, and thus my conclusion (and in turn the analogy) is true. Yes, I just used a debate in which I got pwned in to further pwn you. Handling it well?

How about moar?

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Beta-Kraid - December 20, 2007 07:40 PM (GMT)
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Vanessa supports Moulder. Lute supports Artur. Healing then Fighting > fighting then healing.

True...

...Except Vanessa can't heal before promotion. Or after promotion. >:/

Lulz.

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Therefore, Moulder + Vanessa > Artur + Lute.

K.

...Except we aren't team debating. We're just debating Lute and Vanessa. No Moulder. No Artur. Deal.

Speaking of supports, tho, I think I'll bring up a little something.

Why is Vanessa in top tier, eh? Well, because she's a good flier, and because she's a h4x fighter. BUT WAIT! She's only a h4x fighter because of her SUPPORTS. Without them, her Str will suck more than a 5-year-old at a free lolipop convention. She needs that full +5 Atk and Def to be as h4x as she can be. Not that she doesn't rock, of course- but the thing is, one of those supports that she needs is LUTE.

In other words, Vanessa needs Lute, but Lute does not need Vanessa.

Which also reminds me: Lute has usefulness on her side by helping out the entire team. Her supports help out the needy- Vanessa needs that +5 Atk and Def, and Artur desperately needs those defensive bonuses. She helps two other units become godly, making the team itself stronger. Lute doesn't need the Vanessa support to be good, and although those bonuses will help out Moulder a lot, he doesn't need them as desperately as Vanessa and Artur do. She's also a great mobile healer after promotion(if she was promoted to a Mage Knight, which is the better choice), which helps out the team even more. With her mobility, she can heal anyone who needs it right away. None of your other healers will be as mobile as her, unless you're using Lol'arachel or something.

Helping out the entire team>Not.

Also, Lute may start out weak, but at least her offense will be decent once she starts double attacking, which should be after only a few levels. Vanessa's offense and defense suck massively all throughout earlygame. At least Lute can deal some decent damage durring earlygame- Vanessa's Str is slow to increase, which means it's going to be a while before she starts being able to do good damage on her own. Her Def may be higher than Lute's, but at least Lute doesn't have the WTD on the many many many many many many many many many many axe users around, and can terrain-hop.

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Moulder and Artur become the same class in the end, so they are actually the same variable, so they can be taken out. This leaves Vanessa > Lute.


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*Ignores the rest of your post, since you still phail at humor* :)

newayz

-Lute helps out the entire team.
-Vanessa doesn't.
-Vanessa sucks massively throughout earlygame.
-Lute doesn't.
-Sety phails at humor.

dazzle me :rose:

Sety - January 2, 2008 03:34 AM (GMT)
I fail at humor? Where have you been the past year dude? I know that already. In fact, I've only tried once to do humor and failed horribly. So, in other words, you concede to half of my post.

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Except Vanessa can't heal before promotion. Or after promotion.

Point being? She's a flying unit.

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...Except we aren't team debating. We're just debating Lute and Vanessa. No Moulder. No Artur. Deal.

Yet you try to prove a point using Artur in your post. >:/

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Why is Vanessa in top tier, eh?

So you concede to the point that she is indeed, good?

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Well, because she's a good flier, and because she's a h4x fighter. BUT WAIT! She's only a h4x fighter because of her SUPPORTS

If some ugly ass chick gets plastic surgery, saying "She only looks good because of the plastic surgery," is a redundant statement, because she still looks good. So, what's your point?

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Without them, her Str will suck more than a 5-year-old at a free lolipop convention.

A loli pop convention?

:hmm:

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She needs that full +5 Atk and Def to be as h4x as she can be. Not that she doesn't rock, of course- but the thing is, one of those supports that she needs is LUTE.

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Vanessa can support Forde for +5 attack and only misses out on 1 point of defense. Not bad considering you obviously don't want Lute supporting Vanessa.

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In other words, Vanessa needs Lute, but Lute does not need Vanessa.

Of course, depriving Lute of 40% of her supports isn't a good thing to do to your unit.

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Which also reminds me: Lute has usefulness on her side by helping out the entire team.

For... what, like 6 or so chapters? Seeing as how Moulder and Artur are taking the first two GR's, Lute has to wait until chapter 14 to promote.

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Her supports help out the needy- Vanessa needs that +5 Atk and Def

Which she more or less gets from Forde, who actually keeps up with her the entire game.

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She helps two other units become godly, making the team itself stronger.

Vanessa becoming godly makes the team itself stronger.

She helps the entire team.

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Lute doesn't need the Vanessa support to be good

But it helps. Vanessa gets Forde anyway.

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and although those bonuses will help out Moulder a lot, he doesn't need them as desperately as Vanessa and Artur do.

...huh? I think you're implying that Lute supports Moulder here. wtf are you talking about?

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She's also a great mobile healer after promotion(if she was promoted to a Mage Knight, which is the better choice)

You also have to share that very little pool with three other units, mind you.

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With her mobility, she can heal anyone who needs it right away.

So can anyone with a physic.

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Helping out the entire team>Not.

Good thing Vanessa does.

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Also, Lute may start out weak

Which isn't a good thing.

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but at least her offense will be decent once she starts double attacking, which should be after only a few levels.

She can only use fire and still double decently though ::(:

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Vanessa's offense and defense suck massively all throughout earlygame.

lolwut. She's a good finish-off-er in chapter 2, especially if you are trying to finish as soon as possible. That's where she gets her experience to get the extra speed and strength.

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Vanessa's offense and defense suck massively all throughout earlygame.

Her speed makes up for it and then some.

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Her Def may be higher than Lute's, but at least Lute doesn't have the WTD on the many many many many many many many many many many axe users around, and can terrain-hop.

Um, as I remember the only time Brigands take up a majority is in chapter 2, and maybe chapter 3. Chapter 4 is monsters, Chapter 5 is a good mix.

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-Lute helps out the entire team.
-Vanessa doesn't.
-Vanessa sucks massively throughout earlygame.
-Lute doesn't.

Proven false.



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