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Title: Circumcision


Myke - December 15, 2007 11:27 PM (GMT)
So, we seem to have a majorly male population here, so I figured you'd all be quite capable of discussing this.

Personally, I know nothing about it, except certain religions regard it as mandatory and that it's supposed to increase hygeine.

Any thoughts or comments?

Dez384 - December 15, 2007 11:42 PM (GMT)
In today's society, it is unnecessary. I believe that the hygienic reason for circumcision is so that dirt won't get stuck in the folds of the skin and let infestation occur.

Maraj - December 15, 2007 11:45 PM (GMT)
I find the idea kind of odd (cutting bits of people off is strange to me), but don't really care one way or the other. It's so minor, I don't see why people care. >_>

Asvel - December 15, 2007 11:57 PM (GMT)
Obviously since I lack the organ that would be circumsized in most situations, I can't put in an honest opinion, but I've heard that "going natural" is more pleasurable for the male when he grows old enough to experience such. But since I have no business with dongs, they can do as they wish. If I have a son, it's not happening to him.

Bizox - December 16, 2007 01:44 AM (GMT)
Supposedly it greatly reduces your chances of contracting an STD, so I'm all for it. If it can make our world more healthy, I don't see why you wouldn't do it.

Lawrence von Reaper - December 16, 2007 01:49 AM (GMT)
I heard it decreases... er... sexual pleasure.

But, I'm fourteen not Jewish(Or any other religion that requires it), so I wouldn't know.

As Maraj put it, I don't like the idea of cutting off parts of people.

Dez384 - December 16, 2007 02:03 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lawrence von Reaper @ Dec 15 2007, 09:49 PM)
I heard it decreases... er... sexual pleasure.

But, I'm fourteen not Jewish(Or any other religion that requires it), so I wouldn't know.

As Maraj put it, I don't like the idea of cutting off parts of people.

Your religion no longer has anything to do with being circumsised. Many people are circumsised for no reason.

Maraj - December 16, 2007 02:05 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dez384 @ Dec 15 2007, 07:03 PM)
Many people are circumsised for no reason.

This seems unlikely. You think their parents have no reason for wanting them to be circumcised?

Lawrence von Reaper - December 16, 2007 02:21 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Maraj @ Dec 15 2007, 09:05 PM)
QUOTE (Dez384 @ Dec 15 2007, 07:03 PM)
Many people are circumsised for no reason.

This seems unlikely. You think their parents have no reason for wanting them to be circumcised?

I think he means that... Actually, I'm not sure what he means unless he's talking about Desperate Housewives

Go on..?

Sety - December 16, 2007 02:31 AM (GMT)
Here are the two major differences: Without, the pleasure is increased. With, the odds of getting an STD are decreased.

Really, I don't see why you would want to have that decreased risk when you are obviously going to use a condom anyway, unless you're planning on being parents, so why not have more fun?

QUOTE
unless he's talking about Desperate Housewives

Bree wanted the circumcision for [whats-his-name] because (and I quote) "Circumcised penises look more tidy."

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Maraj - December 16, 2007 02:33 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sety @ Dec 15 2007, 07:31 PM)
Here are the two major differences: Without, the pleasure is increased. With, the odds of getting an STD are decreased.

Wait, is that actually proven? Huh.

Sety - December 16, 2007 02:35 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Maraj @ Dec 15 2007, 07:33 PM)
QUOTE (Sety @ Dec 15 2007, 07:31 PM)
Here are the two major differences: Without, the pleasure is increased.  With, the odds of getting an STD are decreased.

Wait, is that actually proven? Huh.

I remember there being an experiment involving like 2000 or so guys that had an article on the wii news channel some time ago. I don't really see why it matters though "/

Lawrence von Reaper - December 16, 2007 02:44 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sety @ Dec 15 2007, 09:31 PM)
Here are the two major differences: Without, the pleasure is increased.  With, the odds of getting an STD are decreased.

Really, I don't see why you would want to have that decreased risk when you are obviously going to use a condom anyway, unless you're planning on being parents, so why not have more fun?

QUOTE
unless he's talking about Desperate Housewives

Bree wanted the circumcision for [whats-his-name] because (and I quote) "Circumcised penises look more tidy."

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without, you can 'bate

Seriously:

Exactly. Condoms, in this sense, are like circumcisions w/o the loss of pleasure.

At the DH part:
That does sound like Bree. *facepalm*

Sety - December 16, 2007 03:07 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lawrence von Reaper @ Dec 15 2007, 07:44 PM)
QUOTE (Sety @ Dec 15 2007, 09:31 PM)
Here are the two major differences: Without, the pleasure is increased.  With, the odds of getting an STD are decreased.

Really, I don't see why you would want to have that decreased risk when you are obviously going to use a condom anyway, unless you're planning on being parents, so why not have more fun?

QUOTE
unless he's talking about Desperate Housewives

Bree wanted the circumcision for [whats-his-name] because (and I quote) "Circumcised penises look more tidy."

|:

without, you can 'bate

Seriously:

Exactly. Condoms, in this sense, are like circumcisions w/o the loss of pleasure.

At the DH part:
That does sound like Bree. *facepalm*

Condom's detract from the experience too. <__<;;

Lawrence von Reaper - December 16, 2007 03:11 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sety @ Dec 15 2007, 10:07 PM)
QUOTE (Lawrence von Reaper @ Dec 15 2007, 07:44 PM)
QUOTE (Sety @ Dec 15 2007, 09:31 PM)
Here are the two major differences: Without, the pleasure is increased.  With, the odds of getting an STD are decreased.

Really, I don't see why you would want to have that decreased risk when you are obviously going to use a condom anyway, unless you're planning on being parents, so why not have more fun?

QUOTE
unless he's talking about Desperate Housewives

Bree wanted the circumcision for [whats-his-name] because (and I quote) "Circumcised penises look more tidy."

|:

without, you can 'bate

Seriously:

Exactly. Condoms, in this sense, are like circumcisions w/o the loss of pleasure.

At the DH part:
That does sound like Bree. *facepalm*

Condom's detract from the experience too. <__<;;

<_< >_>

shaddup.

But you have the option not to have the experience detracted from.

Options >>> precautions

Dez384 - December 16, 2007 03:16 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Maraj @ Dec 15 2007, 10:05 PM)
QUOTE (Dez384 @ Dec 15 2007, 07:03 PM)
Many people are circumsised for no reason.

This seems unlikely. You think their parents have no reason for wanting them to be circumcised?

I don't think that most parents strongly care one way or the other about circumcision. It is just " why not?" kind of thing. There is no major reason, such as religion, for most people.

Sety - December 16, 2007 03:17 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lawrence von Reaper @ Dec 15 2007, 08:11 PM)
QUOTE (Sety @ Dec 15 2007, 10:07 PM)
QUOTE (Lawrence von Reaper @ Dec 15 2007, 07:44 PM)
QUOTE (Sety @ Dec 15 2007, 09:31 PM)
Here are the two major differences: Without, the pleasure is increased.  With, the odds of getting an STD are decreased.

Really, I don't see why you would want to have that decreased risk when you are obviously going to use a condom anyway, unless you're planning on being parents, so why not have more fun?

QUOTE
unless he's talking about Desperate Housewives

Bree wanted the circumcision for [whats-his-name] because (and I quote) "Circumcised penises look more tidy."

|:

without, you can 'bate

Seriously:

Exactly. Condoms, in this sense, are like circumcisions w/o the loss of pleasure.

At the DH part:
That does sound like Bree. *facepalm*

Condom's detract from the experience too. <__<;;

<_< >_>

shaddup.

But you have the option not to have the experience detracted from.

Options >>> precautions

Not wearing a condom should only occur when pregnancy is planned (or birth control is used at least >_>)

Lawrence von Reaper - December 16, 2007 03:21 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sety @ Dec 15 2007, 10:17 PM)
QUOTE (Lawrence von Reaper @ Dec 15 2007, 08:11 PM)
QUOTE (Sety @ Dec 15 2007, 10:07 PM)
QUOTE (Lawrence von Reaper @ Dec 15 2007, 07:44 PM)
QUOTE (Sety @ Dec 15 2007, 09:31 PM)
Here are the two major differences: Without, the pleasure is increased.  With, the odds of getting an STD are decreased.

Really, I don't see why you would want to have that decreased risk when you are obviously going to use a condom anyway, unless you're planning on being parents, so why not have more fun?

QUOTE
unless he's talking about Desperate Housewives

Bree wanted the circumcision for [whats-his-name] because (and I quote) "Circumcised penises look more tidy."

|:

without, you can 'bate

Seriously:

Exactly. Condoms, in this sense, are like circumcisions w/o the loss of pleasure.

At the DH part:
That does sound like Bree. *facepalm*

Condom's detract from the experience too. <__<;;

<_< >_>

shaddup.

But you have the option not to have the experience detracted from.

Options >>> precautions

Not wearing a condom should only occur when pregnancy is planned (or birth control is used at least >_>)

Aside from those times when you don't feel like it.

Bizox - December 16, 2007 03:24 AM (GMT)
Condoms decrease pleasure as well. And many people just don't use them for that purpose, or because there are none at hand, or because their school system says "ABSTINENCE ABSTINENCE ABSTINENCE THERE IS NO PROTECTION," etc. A condom isn't a given.

There's no question that circumcision reduces STD risk considerably. I'm willing to bet that the pleasure difference isn't that large, while IIRC, the STD risk is reduced by 30-50% for circumcised men.

Lawrence von Reaper - December 16, 2007 03:42 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Bizox @ Dec 15 2007, 10:24 PM)
Condoms decrease pleasure as well. And many people just don't use them for that purpose, or because there are none at hand, or because their school system says "ABSTINENCE ABSTINENCE ABSTINENCE THERE IS NO PROTECTION," etc. A condom isn't a given.

There's no question that circumcision reduces STD risk considerably. I'm willing to bet that the pleasure difference isn't that large, while IIRC, the STD risk is reduced by 30-50% for circumcised men.

@The school thing: That, IMO, is criminal of them, but I'll leave that topic for another thread.

Otherwise, I can dig you.

:thumbsup:

Sety - December 16, 2007 03:45 AM (GMT)
Whoever actually believes that there is no protection against pregnancy deserves to be a father/mother in the first place. Why the hell would you call it "unprotected sex" in the firs place?

Bizox - December 16, 2007 03:46 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lawrence von Reaper @ Dec 15 2007, 11:42 PM)
QUOTE (Bizox @ Dec 15 2007, 10:24 PM)
Condoms decrease pleasure as well. And many people just don't use them for that purpose, or because there are none at hand, or because their school system says "ABSTINENCE ABSTINENCE ABSTINENCE THERE IS NO PROTECTION," etc. A condom isn't a given.

There's no question that circumcision reduces STD risk considerably. I'm willing to bet that the pleasure difference isn't that large, while IIRC, the STD risk is reduced by 30-50% for circumcised men.

@The school thing: That, IMO, is criminal of them, but I'll leave that topic for another thread.

Otherwise, I can dig you.

:thumbsup:

Some schools do in fact do that, though.

I'm guessing you saw that one episode of Boston Legal, too

Lawrence von Reaper - December 16, 2007 03:48 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Bizox @ Dec 15 2007, 10:46 PM)
QUOTE (Lawrence von Reaper @ Dec 15 2007, 11:42 PM)
QUOTE (Bizox @ Dec 15 2007, 10:24 PM)
Condoms decrease pleasure as well. And many people just don't use them for that purpose, or because there are none at hand, or because their school system says "ABSTINENCE ABSTINENCE ABSTINENCE THERE IS NO PROTECTION," etc. A condom isn't a given.

There's no question that circumcision reduces STD risk considerably. I'm willing to bet that the pleasure difference isn't that large, while IIRC, the STD risk is reduced by 30-50% for circumcised men.

@The school thing: That, IMO, is criminal of them, but I'll leave that topic for another thread.

Otherwise, I can dig you.

:thumbsup:

Some schools do in fact do that, though.

I'm guessing you saw that one episode of Boston Legal, too

Like mine *nodnod*

How'd you guess?

Maraj - December 16, 2007 03:55 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dez384 @ Dec 15 2007, 08:16 PM)
QUOTE (Maraj @ Dec 15 2007, 10:05 PM)
QUOTE (Dez384 @ Dec 15 2007, 07:03 PM)
Many people are circumsised for no reason.

This seems unlikely. You think their parents have no reason for wanting them to be circumcised?

I don't think that most parents strongly care one way or the other about circumcision. It is just " why not?" kind of thing. There is no major reason, such as religion, for most people.

Are you suggesting that parents have the thought process, "oh, yeah, let's just cut this bit off our child. No reason, it just occurred to me."? I don't see how any sane person could do that.

Dez384 - December 16, 2007 04:36 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Maraj @ Dec 15 2007, 11:55 PM)
QUOTE (Dez384 @ Dec 15 2007, 08:16 PM)
QUOTE (Maraj @ Dec 15 2007, 10:05 PM)
QUOTE (Dez384 @ Dec 15 2007, 07:03 PM)
Many people are circumsised for no reason.

This seems unlikely. You think their parents have no reason for wanting them to be circumcised?

I don't think that most parents strongly care one way or the other about circumcision. It is just " why not?" kind of thing. There is no major reason, such as religion, for most people.

Are you suggesting that parents have the thought process, "oh, yeah, let's just cut this bit off our child. No reason, it just occurred to me."? I don't see how any sane person could do that.

It isn't random. The parents don't randomly decide to do it. And it isn't just any little bit, it is a specific little bit that can help to reduce infections and STDs. Most likely when the doctor asks them if they want it, they say yes because they have no reason not to.

Sety - December 16, 2007 04:49 AM (GMT)
Why would they be getting an STD in the first place? It's called protection.

Avally - December 16, 2007 05:24 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sety @ Dec 15 2007, 11:49 PM)
Why would they be getting an STD in the first place? It's called protection.

It's called people are stupid, and sometimes don't use it.

Sety - December 16, 2007 05:26 AM (GMT)
Then it's there fault for being stupid, obviously. They teach sex ed for a reason.

Maraj - December 16, 2007 05:36 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dez384 @ Dec 15 2007, 09:36 PM)
It isn't random.  The parents don't randomly decide to do it.

I'm waiting for the reasoning, then.

QUOTE (Dez384 @ Dec 15 2007, 09:36 PM)
And it isn't just any little bit, it is a specific little bit that can help to reduce infections and STDs.

That would be a reason to leave it there, not remove it. :hmm:

QUOTE (Dez384 @ Dec 15 2007, 09:36 PM)
Most likely when the doctor asks them if they want it, they say yes because they have no reason not to.

Wait. Then when does the circumcision occur? Your proposed series of events seems off.

Sety - December 16, 2007 06:00 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Maraj @ Dec 15 2007, 10:36 PM)
QUOTE (Dez384 @ Dec 15 2007, 09:36 PM)
Most likely when the doctor asks them if they want it, they say yes because they have no reason not to.

Wait. Then when does the circumcision occur? Your proposed series of events seems off.

If you're Jewish it has to happen 8 days after the child is born.

Maraj - December 16, 2007 06:15 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sety @ Dec 15 2007, 11:00 PM)
QUOTE (Maraj @ Dec 15 2007, 10:36 PM)
QUOTE (Dez384 @ Dec 15 2007, 09:36 PM)
Most likely when the doctor asks them if they want it, they say yes because they have no reason not to.

Wait. Then when does the circumcision occur? Your proposed series of events seems off.

If you're Jewish it has to happen 8 days after the child is born.

Dez seems to be suggesting that parents usually don't have their children circumcised. Which is odd. Because I could swear it was pretty common.

Myke - December 16, 2007 11:54 AM (GMT)
Personally, I don't know anyone who has been. Thus I didn't know anything about it, leading to the creation of this topic.

But yeah, I live in Australia, and as far as I know, it's pretty much unheard of over here.

Dez384 - December 16, 2007 01:57 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Maraj @ Dec 16 2007, 01:36 AM)
QUOTE (Dez384 @ Dec 15 2007, 09:36 PM)
And it isn't just any little bit, it is a specific little bit that can help to reduce infections and STDs.

That would be a reason to leave it there, not remove it. :hmm:

Sorry, my wording was not clear. The little bit of skin increases your chances of infection and STDs; Circumcision decreases that risk.

Since most people in America aren't Jewish, they don't have to abide by the 8 day rule. Many people are circumcised the day they are born.

And in America, circumcision is very common. You'll see the next time you use open showers.

Maraj - December 16, 2007 06:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dez384 @ Dec 16 2007, 06:57 AM)
QUOTE (Maraj @ Dec 16 2007, 01:36 AM)
QUOTE (Dez384 @ Dec 15 2007, 09:36 PM)
And it isn't just any little bit, it is a specific little bit that can help to reduce infections and STDs.

That would be a reason to leave it there, not remove it. :hmm:

Sorry, my wording was not clear. The little bit of skin increases your chances of infection and STDs; Circumcision decreases that risk.

Since most people in America aren't Jewish, they don't have to abide by the 8 day rule. Many people are circumcised the day they are born.

And in America, circumcision is very common. You'll see the next time you use open showers.

OIC. 'k.

Sety - December 16, 2007 08:06 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Myke @ Dec 16 2007, 04:54 AM)
Personally, I don't know anyone who has been. Thus I didn't know anything about it, leading to the creation of this topic.

But yeah, I live in Australia, and as far as I know, it's pretty much unheard of over here.

Nor should you, because talking about whether or not your circumcised isn't exactly an every day topic <__<;;

ImmortalDeamon - December 17, 2007 02:23 AM (GMT)
I thought circumcision was common. But thats just me.

Myke - December 18, 2007 05:27 AM (GMT)
I'd say that's an "un-australian" comment but you aren't Australian. We pride ourselves in talking about whatever the **** we want whenever the **** we want. The size of my brother's penis is common dinner-table conversation, as is the last hentai I enjoyed and my sister's sweat rash.

Sety - December 19, 2007 02:23 AM (GMT)
You have a very odd family then >_>

Dez384 - December 19, 2007 02:27 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sety @ Dec 18 2007, 10:23 PM)
You have a very odd family then >_>

Your opinion may be due to a difference in culture. Seemingly Australians are very open about things that are considered taboo in the States.

Inuyasha Lover - December 26, 2007 04:52 AM (GMT)
I haven't read the posts above.

its is Culture and religion mostly. I know that doctors aren't sure which is better. People who get a circumcision have risk of infections and such. Also a less chance of Penile cancer if they have been. The World Health Organization says that boys who have been circumcision provides a 50-60% reduction in HIV transmission from female to male. People also do it for heath reason




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