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Title: Nin-Finity Vs Jahn
Description: Round 1, Intelligent Debate '08


Dez384 - January 5, 2008 02:59 AM (GMT)
Topic: There is nothing wrong with breaking the law.
For: Nin-Finity
Against: Jahn

Judges: Maraj, Dez384, Inui

Do Not Begin until January Fifth. Nin-Finity leads.

Nin-Finity - January 7, 2008 12:45 AM (GMT)
There is nothing wrong with breaking the law.

As the old saying goes, rules are meant to be broken. And the reasoning behind it couldn’t be more clear: because the system is flawed.

We have to deal with all sorts of crap like political correctness, religious stuff, and some things that are just flat out stupid. Let’s take a look at some of that stupidity:

These are some stupid laws from various locations. Source: http://www.dumblaws.com/

You can be stopped by the police for biking over 65 miles per hour.

Bear wrestling matches are prohibited.

You may not drive barefooted.

Dominoes may not be played on Sunday.

Putting salt on a railroad track may be punishable by death.

You may not have an ice cream cone in your back pocket at any time.

It is considered an offense to push a live moose out of a moving airplane.

Donkeys cannot sleep in bathtubs.

It is unlawful to refuse a person a glass of water.

No vehicle without a driver may exceed 60 miles per hour.

If an elephant is left tied to a parking meter, the parking fee has to be paid just as it would for a vehicle.

Having sexual relations with a porcupine is illegal.

Coins are not allowed to be placed in one’s ears.

Hotel sheets must be exactly 99 inches long and 81 inches wide.

The value of Pi is 3.

There are a lot more, but I think you get the point.

Like I said earlier, the system is clearly flawed. And if a system is flawed, should we follow it? No.

Still not convinced?

Let’s take a look at political correctness. Complete nonsense if you ask me. It’s a sad day indeed when I can’t wish someone a Merry Christmas, because they might not be Christian, and might be offended by it.

Seriously, it’s out of control.

Wikipedia defines political correctness as “A term used to describe language, ideas, policies, or behaviour seen as seeking to minimize offence to racial, cultural, or other identity groups.”

People are offended awfully easily these days, apparently.

Next on my list of reasons why the law is stupid is prohibition.

Prohibition: the outlawing of the sale of alcohol in the United States in the 1920’s. The eighteenth amendment to the constitution. A huge blunder by the government.

Did people comply with prohibition? No, because it was completely stupid. Speakeasies formed and people would just get their booze secretly instead.

If the system is flawed, then it’s perfectly justified to not comply with it. After all, rules are meant to be broken.

Jahn - January 7, 2008 03:46 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Nin-Finity @ Jan 7 2008, 08:45 AM)
There is nothing wrong with breaking the law.


Yes there is.

QUOTE (Nin-Finity @ Jan 7 2008, 08:45 AM)
As the old saying goes, rules are meant to be broken. And the reasoning behind it couldn’t be more clear: because the system is flawed.


Let's think about it: Why is the system flawed? Because the people who made them are. And when people are flawed, what do they need? Guidance and boundaries. And where do they get those? From laws.

ggnore

QUOTE (Nin-Finity @ Jan 7 2008, 08:45 AM)

We have to deal with all sorts of crap like political correctness, religious stuff, and some things that are just flat out stupid. Let’s take a look at some of that stupidity:

These are some stupid laws from various locations. Source: http://www.dumblaws.com/


'K. Just to humour you, I will post the logic behind some of those laws.

QUOTE (Nin-Finity @ Jan 7 2008, 08:45 AM)

You can be stopped by the police for biking over 65 miles per hour.

A bicycle, like many other vehicles should have a speed limit. Why? Because the driver of every vehicle needs to be able to brake easily and quickly.

A bicycle's braking system is weak and needs a speed limit in order for it to be safe.

QUOTE (Nin-Finity @ Jan 7 2008, 08:45 AM)

Bear wrestling matches are prohibited.

Same reasons as cockfighting. It's nothing more than animal cruelity.

QUOTE (Nin-Finity @ Jan 7 2008, 08:45 AM)

You may not drive barefooted.

Dangerous since your foot may get numb since blood supply is cut off to the toe regions.

QUOTE (Nin-Finity @ Jan 7 2008, 08:45 AM)

Putting salt on a railroad track may be punishable by death.

Salt + Rain = Slippery tracks. Everyone knows that.

QUOTE (Nin-Finity @ Jan 7 2008, 08:45 AM)

It is considered an offense to push a live moose out of a moving airplane.

Again, animal cruelty, albiet an unorthodox form of cruelty.

QUOTE (Nin-Finity @ Jan 7 2008, 08:45 AM)

No vehicle without a driver may exceed 60 miles per hour.

A vehicle needs a speed limit regardless of whether there is a driver or not.

QUOTE (Nin-Finity @ Jan 7 2008, 08:45 AM)

If an elephant is left tied to a parking meter, the parking fee has to be paid just as it would for a vehicle.

You're using up a parking space which could've been used for other cars, of course you need to pay the fee.

QUOTE (Nin-Finity @ Jan 7 2008, 08:45 AM)

Having sexual relations with a porcupine is illegal.

lolbestiality.

QUOTE (Nin-Finity @ Jan 7 2008, 08:45 AM)

Coins are not allowed to be placed in one’s ears.

That's just dangerous.

QUOTE (Nin-Finity @ Jan 7 2008, 08:45 AM)

There are a lot more, but I think you get the point.

The point that there are stupid laws? Yes. The point that we should break the law? Not really.

QUOTE (Nin-Finity @ Jan 7 2008, 08:45 AM)

Like I said earlier, the system is clearly flawed. And if a system is flawed, should we follow it? No.


:hmm:

Humans are flawed. And our leaders are human. Therefore, we should not follow our government. And when that happens, we have anarchy. When we are in anarchy, we have total chaos.

Good job, Nin. We didn't follow the law and our leaders, and the whole world is embroiled in chaos.

QUOTE (Nin-Finity @ Jan 7 2008, 08:45 AM)

Still not convinced?


Not really.

QUOTE (Nin-Finity @ Jan 7 2008, 08:45 AM)

Let’s take a look at political correctness. Complete nonsense if you ask me. It’s a sad day indeed when I can’t wish someone a Merry Christmas, because they might not be Christian, and might be offended by it.

Seriously, it’s out of control.

Wikipedia defines political correctness as “A term used to describe language, ideas, policies, or behaviour seen as seeking to minimize offence to racial, cultural, or other identity groups.”

People are offended awfully easily these days, apparently.


Apparently, they are. Words can cut people more deeply and any knife. Prejudice and bias are more of a problem than most people think. One of the major causes of suicide is by bullying by discrimination. Sometimes, watching what you say and do can make a lot of difference.

QUOTE (Nin-Finity @ Jan 7 2008, 08:45 AM)

Next on my list of reasons why the law is stupid is prohibition.


'k.

QUOTE (Nin-Finity @ Jan 7 2008, 08:45 AM)

Prohibition: the outlawing of the sale of alcohol in the United States in the 1920’s. The eighteenth amendment to the constitution. A huge blunder by the government.

Did people comply with prohibition? No, because it was completely stupid. Speakeasies formed and people would just get their booze secretly instead.


Alcohol. Drinking it kills brain cells, damages your liver, and may cause addiction. The US government was outlawing it in the interest of their citizen's health. Justifiable reason.

Smuggling in beer and wine. People were doing that just for to satisfy their own cravings, a hedonistic reasons. Not that justifiable.

QUOTE (Nin-Finity @ Jan 7 2008, 08:45 AM)

If the system is flawed, then it’s perfectly justified to not comply with it. After all, rules are meant to be broken.


Again, because the system is flawed, it shows that people need more guidance and to do that, they must follow laws.

And let's take a look at a world without laws, namely the world of Lord of the Flies by William Golding.

In Lord of the Flies, a group of boys are stranded on an island without any authority. This means, no rules, no laws, no boundaries. What happens later in the story? They slowly degenerate into savages and kill each other in a power struggle.

This is how human nature operates. We, like all beings on earth, have instinct deep inside us. Without any boundaries or rules, that human nature will manifest itself which is why we have chaos during a state of anarchy.

Therefore, we need rules and boundaries in our life and those rules need to be enforced. This is how we progressed to civilisation, after developping a language and then creating a stable society to live in.



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