A lot has been said

My vote was obvious.

More discussion necessary for me.

Pay no mind to me, but I think this should be a board choice, not just a vet choice. We're not the only ones' that will be affected by the merge.

So maybe move this to Feedback?

No merge.

No.

...You move my topic. Nobody moves my topics.

More discussion needed. Personally, I haven't really decided. There's good and bad on both sides.

The merge is 100% necessary for FES's survival as far as I'm concerned. This place currently has no way of drawing in new members and nobody has stepped up to the plate to save this place. If anyone votes "no", they better have some other way to save this place from its likely demise.

If the merger occurs and those that voted "no" stay here and don't go along with it, it merely shows that they put their own sentimental attachment to this site over the good of the community they claim to care about.

If you have any questions or concerns you'd like addressed, please feel free to ask me. I am a staff member at FEFF, FES, and FEP. I'm obviously well-traveled in the FE community and can represent any individual board well.

I assure you that this merger idea was by no means some plan of FEFF's to just steal FES's members. It was entirely my idea and I got all the details worked out myself. I care about both communities. Don't forgot that I am a member of the upper staff here.

If we do end up merging can the FES board still exist. The three years that it's been up have probably been the most influential years of my life.

It'll still exist, just be closed

It will exist and be accessable, but posting should be disabled and notices about the merger would be up.

I feel this topic has been tampered because DH has been advertising members from FEFF to log in/sign up here just to vote in this poll...

Ever heard of adding new content?

You seem to stroke your ego a lot still, why don't you step up to the plate, O Mighty One?

So if they're attached to FES as it was and don't want to follow it to what might change the community and ruin what they loved, they're bad people, amirite? No, doesn't work like that.

You can't represent jack all without sounding like an arrogant prick, I don't think that counts as a good representation.

I think the merge is a crappy idea. I don't come here anymore but frig, if someone were to add new content or something and set up a new staff that has incentive to do something, there may be an attraction.

Seriously, Inui, all you do is type and type and type, you never try to do anything. You say you care and you're an important part of FES because you're staff... tell me something. What the hell have you done here that's SO great?

Nothing. Stop stroking your ego and do something about the activity if you care so much.

I frown upon that.

He's done stuff before, Zan.

Consisting primarily pinning Smash Bros topics in the gaming board. :B

How about holding off all this merger business for a while? I definately think there needs to be more discussion. Plus, there's usually a boost in activity during spring break and summer anyway.

Well I can't move it back to the veteran's board.

Yeah, that's right

Dei directed my attention to this thread. This idea was ridiculous enough to make me log in and post.

My thoughts: Yeah, lets merge two forums controlled by the great amazing awesome FE Community Elitist Regime, which were responsible for the death of both of these forums to begin with, just to add to the lolinterwebz ego of said group. Then they can have an equally dead merged forum to discuss Super Smash Bros. and how awesome they are on.

[/SARCASM, LOLOL]

Long live Nin, DV, etc. Why do you people think FES was so much more active and fun when they were in control?

And now I leave again.

I made FES the most active, hands down, no competition at all

DV is in control

XD

/: Nobody is in control. We're a bunch of chickens running around without heads, fighting with each other over a piece of corn we can't even eat.

Seriously, with all the 'discussion' we've done here, we could all have directed it elsewhere in the forum to make it more active and interesting rather than dead. This topic alone is getting more attention than the rest of the forum would get in a week. Set your priorities straight. Merging isn't going to do FES a spot of good - in fact, it will very well kill the forum off. It's a lifeline for FEFF, not FES - we're FESers and not FEFFers. It may seem to be in 'our' best interests, but it's really only for FEFF. Most of us have already gotten up and walked off to other forums anyway, so why merge at all? People can join of their own accord - not because they're forced to. I wouldn't join FEFF if we merged (not that it would matter to any of you), and I get the feeling that I'm not the only person who wouldn't.

You want to fix FES? You do it yourself. With your own hands - not someone else's. You talk about wanting the activity back, the members, the whatever - but you aren't doing it. You're squabbling and bitching. Nothing is getting done, and nothing ever will get done at the rate we do things. Dez isn't active, DV is gone. We're in a state of utter anarchy, and we aren't doing a thing to make things better.

Clearly, we don't want the activity back as much as we think we do, because if we did, we'd all be milling around like ants trying to get it back. Do I see that? No. All I see is this and a couple of posts every now and then in Spamerica and the Sprite Galleries.

...oh, and I forgot - we're arguing in this topic, too. :]

Hey guys I'm Spitfire.

Being a member of both forums, as well as not visiting said forums very much, all I can say is HOLD ON A SECOND.

FES would get lost in FEFF.

AK for lead admin

^Sure

I'll vote for AK (:

I vote for AK

Just something I should add... we need Dez or DV here to actually promote someone or do anything >_>

They check in and DV is willing to pass his title onto somebody else.

AK sounds like a decent candidate, if she accepts being put into office.

I'm just a moderator. I'm not a spriter or an artist. If I'm going to put lots of work into anything, it'd be at my home forum where I know people will work with me, not this realm of nothingness where nobody has tried anything but me.

I reached out to the staff already, let them know FES was dying ages ago, the topic got almost no replies and was forgotten. I am stepping up to the plate right now with an actual good idea.

Ruin what they loved? Being at FEFF is going to change you all as human beings? I'd hope not. That'd be quite sad.

It doesn't matter if I'm arrogant and confident. Nothing I said was false. I am a high ranking member of all three FE communities commonly discussed around here and one of your upper staff members here.

No, there isn't anything. You'd need the capability to do a graphics overhaul, a more active memberbase, and something unique to draw in members. FES has none of that right now and hasn't worked on such things in ages.

Apparently I created the most active discussion this place has had...in about a year? I proposed an actual idea with great intentions only to be disrespected by some kid like you and have the idea tossed aside by those that would rather see FES perish than stay alive at FEFF? Yup, that sounds like that I did.

Not a single member of FES has done anything in well over a year to try and help this place from what I remember. At least I'm doing something, so kindly take your insults and demands and shove them where the sun don't shine.

You shouldn't be proud of it. In fact, I would have liked it more if you'd gone off and started another debate tournament or something. At least that would have been more productive, and you'd still get to debate to your heart's content.

Also, great intentions, but slightly misled. You might have meant for the best, but you clearly didn't consider what we, as more loyal, sentimentally-attached members, might have thought. You thought for the better as a general and completely overlooked the fact that we happened to be more attached than you. Your affiliation lies with those other sites you're supposedly 'elite' on - but not us. That was already the first flaw of your idea.

FES isn't going to perish if we don't merge; we certainly will, however, if we do. FEFF becomes larger, and FES fades into oblivion. No, of course we wouldn't change as people, but the forum we're on and who/what we affiliate ourselves with will. That identifies us.

Well, neither have you in the past year. I can confidently say that I have at least tried. Tried and failed, but at least I've honestly tried. I'm socially awkward - you, on the other hand, who seem to be overconfident, could easily have sparked some other areas of interest, now couldn't you, being so very adept and manipulating the crowd? I would think so. But did you try? No. Nothing that I've seen, at least.

Couldn't you try to prove a point without having to insult someone? It only makes your argument weaker, and it doesn't make you look like any better of a person. It's nice to know that you're confident, but isn't there a better way to redirect that confidence in a more positive manner?

GTFO of my topic with the personal arguing.

Inui don't bother with that Zanryu kid he doesn't no nothin' bout anythin'.

If it helps, I'll try to be active here.

I never said I was proud of it. I'm not going to start a debate tournament here. Nobody would enter it and it would just die out.

I'm an extremely logical person. You're correct that I didn't consider emotional attachments. I neglected to remember that this place has a youthful memberbase that's more emotional than logical.

Currently, FES has a 100% chance of dying. No new members are joining, but members are slowly leaving and becoming less active. That's called dying. There's nothing here to draw new members in. There's a small community of kids that have some history here and nothing else. You can still identify yourself as FESers. I don't live in Italy and I identify myself as Italian and I'm proud of it. I identify myself as a loyal FEFFer no matter where I am.

My job is to police the boards, not keep it alive and generate 100% of the activity. Asking me to do so, and being disappointed that I "didn't do more," is positively ridiculous. I've been here and I've been posting. I made a topic in the staff board ages ago right when this place started dying, it got a few replies, and then it died. Nothing got done. Nobody else on the staff wanted to do anything. Everything that got started just died out. Pardon me for having my motivation wrecked. I wasn't about to work hard to save a community that didn't want to save itself.

http://z15.invisionfree.com/Fire_Emblem_Sp...?showtopic=9520

There is a shining example of how much FES actually wants to save itself.

Nope. It's not how I am. If you're stupid, I'll let you know about it. If you let emotional distress over e-insults weaken an argument you read, then you're pathetic. (not saying "you" as in you personally, since you seem smart)

I'm a pretty talented negotiator and diplomat except for the one thing you just pointed out, but I have no desire to ever change that about me. Everyone that knows me doesn't take it personally, and I'd hope you guys at least know how I am by now.

Anyways, there's some talk about making you the root administrator. If that happens, I'd like to continue in my current post and help you do whatever you feel needs to be done to save this place.

I reduced your warning level a lot but you're still in that shitty group, lol...

As a moderator, you're supposed to police the boards, yes, but you're also supposed to HELP the board. Have you done that? No. All you do is debate and fag up the gaming section with your tourney faggotry, because if anyone disobeys your "law" (a.k.a. word), they're stupid.

Get your head out of your ass and try to do everything your job entails, not just one part of it.

And Spit, I know a hell of a lot more than you about forums, I can say that much. Have you ever run a successful board NOT based around chaos? No. I have. Granted, Dei helps considering it's more his than it is mine, but I've been a lot more active lately.

Seriously, Inui, if you're so great and you care so much, you would have asked for an administrator position so you could help. All merging with FEFF will do is assimilate FES, and FES will be no more. That's not helping, that's utterly destroying.

Also, your first response to me? All I got out of it was "BAAAAW WAI U GO N PUT MEH DOWN I R GRATE =D =D =D".

EDIT: Oh right, one thing I forgot from your first post.

Just because you don't sprite or do graphics doesn't mean ANYTHING. When you create a forum, you put a group of staff members into power, that would include a graphics team if you're incapable of doing them yourself. If you asked for administrative powers, you could have formed your own staff including a graphics team. Using that as an excuse just proves you don't give half a damn about saving FES.

Hahaha even to this day you sound like a child.

Why does this make you so angry? If you disagree then do something else to help FES, or quit your complaining.

I guess you have some personal vendetta against Inui.. Or getting involved in other forum's problems is what turns you on.. Freak.

Zan, take your sense or justice somewhere else. PM would work. A topic saying how stupid Inui is would work (although that wouldn't end well for you). A poll deciding if FES and FEFF should merge is completely independent from Inui and him 'fagging' things up.

Spit, likewise. Zan is not the topic.

Aye aye, captain.

Like I said before, FES would get lost in FEFF, it just wouldn't feel right. You can't mesh two different groups together.

The best thing either forum can hope for is people being interested again. That's not something that you can fix yourself.

Perhaps FES should attempt making an FE hack, and not just a normal run-of-the-mill hack but one that shows off all the wonderful artists the forum has to offer. This may spark some activity as people have something to do immediately when they come to the forum. Perhaps this will bring the community together in the end.

And you can make a really sweet hack B)

I vote for...a thread lock. This one has digressed to pointlessness...just another "debate about the merge...and other things" topic. Most everybody knows where everybody stands, and impersonal number voting won't decide anything on this issue. %::%

I HAVE MORE CORN THAN YOU AK