I am 15 and have a research to do that will take half the school year. It needs to be 10-12 papers long.

A conspiracy on 9-11 seems to be the forerunning in topics I would like to look into. I just recently watched Loose Change... actually watched it twice in the same day cause it was so interesting then once the day after. So three times ;)

Any way I pose the question that do you think I would have the ability to write something this long and this important on a topic like this? Do you think there would be enough valid and trurthful sources that are not ".coms" to do this?

Opinions are much appreciated

I think there are tons of facts you could write about to support your claims in your assignment, Sopomore.

In reality, the information we've all gathered here would full up those 10-12 pages in a matter of how fast you can write. :)

However, I believe you should base your essay in a questioning form more-so than a full-fledged theory that we've definitely cracked the conspiracy. You should parallel opinions from the Commission Report and views from the Truth Movement that would contradict them factually. Similar to the style of Loose Change, if you get what I mean.

You could blow your peers away by providing a solid basis for questioning 9/11. I have faith that you could do it. Good luck on it and if you ever need help, just ask. :D

Oh, I shall be asking if I need help. Already got this site favoirte ^^

But this topic has really grabbed by attention. I just began to read stuff on it a few days ago when I watched loose Change sicne that video was brought up on another forum.

I have been reading a lot of stuff. Hopefully I do blow away my peers ^^

Hello sopomore,

I think that is a splendid idea! Break it down into the individual events, the pentagon, WTC1&2, WTC7, Shanksville, flight 93, etc. Each of these events have on their own many questions that have not been answered and known facts that do not jive with the "official" story! You should have plenty of material for your paper and it will be the most important one in the class! Good Luck!

J4Justice

There's more evidence and logic behind why there is no conspiracy than why there is one.

Yea I hear the 9-11 was a common topic over the years. Thihs research paper is like the big assignment for each sopomore each year.

Yet I dont think anyone has dont a conspiracy on it.

Sad thing my pa is like "WTF are you thinking Joe..."

but I will prove to him with this paper no doubt about it... and once I begin I will be here often to ask for opinions and what not... paper due January 4th so i have plenty time to get info

and I livenear Raytheon... I remember hearing that name in Loose Change so I could always go question them ^^

Welcome to the forum Sophomore. I remember being your age, but that was 37 years ago. LOL

The problem you're going to have with this paper is trying to determine what to exclude from it. 10 - 12 pages barely scratches the surface. Stick with the hard core evidence and I'm sure you'll do well. And as others have said, don't hesitate to ask for help.

Thats the minimum ^^

if i REALLY get into this I could go on forever and blow this topic out of the water...

my question is are you SURE there is info on websites that are NOT .coms"

You could do a book search on amazon to find out a general number. Problem is your local library probably won't carry many of them.

Could you simplify the corruption and lies to just the 911 commission report? You would have to poke around for a few sources, but David Griffin's book 911 commission report: omissions and distortions is incredible, not only in volume of detail but he stays fairly balanced. At least until it's completely, utterly obvious the book was a sham.

In fact, you could browse through Griffin's sources and use them yourself. I specifically remember him using House of Bush, House of Saud a few times for different points.

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Hi Teh Sopomore

I think watching Loose Change should only be the start of your research.

In Plane Site by Dave Von Kleist shows the modus operandi of the perps. Von Kleist shows original footage of the Oklahoma City bombing and how the bombs were inside the building (real live footage showing eyewitnesses, experts and journos all saying the same thing). Then the mind control perps swung into action and we got this [bs] about McVeigh.

Terrorstorm by Alex Jones shows the bombing of the USS Liberty by covert Israeli forces at the insistence of Lyndon B Johnson, in teh Mediterranian in 1967. That's at the 15:15 mark.

If you watch from the start you'll see a full 20 minutes of other false flag operations such as the Gulf of Tonkin pretext to go to war in Vietnam.

Plenty of rich pickings there for you young 'un. Hope teh project goes well. ;)

Go to PrisonPlanet.com's 911 archive. Lots of info of pre-knowledge of the attacks. Then search around the internet for mega-sites (like Serendipity, Rense), though beware these sites DO have outdated and bogus reseearch. You just have to sift through the trash. [thumbsup]

I have been told I would need some books to do this. And I saw the few comments on books and what not. Any more on good books?

again NON .com sites are needed so keep them coming :D

you could check out the 9/11 commission report. Also, physics books would be useful (the whole 9.2/10 seconds thing, the so called 800 degree inferno, etc.)

Those seem to be what i am heading toward...

so i got books, doucmentary and science on my side

and this site of course... sadly i cant use stuff i find here in my report =(

Sophomore, check out the books authored by David Ray Griffin on 9/11 for a beginning.

http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=...ook&dcaid=17379

http://www.interlinkbooks.com/BooksN/New_Pearl_Harbor.html

I can go up to 14 oages

and i can include a readers gude with pics <<I like that... i had to like beg

what do you think I should tackle with just 14 pages :unsure:

Dude Sopomore, I'll try to help you out with this one. I'll need to know a couple of things though:
When is it due?
Can you use pictures?
How many sources do you need?
Does your school have any 9/11 truthers or open-minded liberals? (at my school I don't know of any, and I think 75% like Bush or don't care)

First of all, you should definitely use David Ray Griffin's book as a source.
I would also highly recommend this book:
Welcome To The USSA: Corruption in the Government and Media by Ryan Dawson. It has a great section on 9/11, PNAC, and Israel.

Also globalresearch.ca is a great site with info on 9/11, and it's not .com, but i don't know if they would let you use it.

Finally, don't worry about whether you can cover everything in 12-14 pages. The first thing you should do is write an outline on how your paper should be organized. If your paper comes out too short, put in additional facts and topics. If it comes out too long, cut out things which aren't as convincing. Trust me on this, I'm really good at writing research papers for english.

And I'll try to find sites that aren't .com's.

14 Pages
Due January 3rd
yes to pics... via a readers guide
12 sources 6 primary sources

and my concern is that I will end up wanting to write like 20 pages cause some of u guys say 14 pages will scratch the surface

and reading ur research i agree

Your best bet is to focus very specificially. Honestly, the entire paper could revolve around just the towers themselves, with no need to bring in the Pentagon (LC's arguments around said were based almost entirely on pictures anyway, and therefore difficult to turn into a hard-facts argument). For example, analyze the architecture of the WTO, analyze what the 9/11 Commission and any independent group determined happened after impact, and then make your argument based on that.

That gives you the opportunity to learn about how the WTO towers were built, as well as a lot of interresting physics regarding how buildings break apart, and better equip you to decide how to form your argument than watching the video, no matter how many times. It also avoids messes like baldly claiming that the alleged phone calls could not have happened, and also avoids weird fringe topics that can get you mired down in baseless speculation (ie. there were no planes, it was all a trick of the light).

I feel I may do this

8 pages on the Twin Towers and WTC 7.
--4 Pages disapproving the official story
--4 Pages proving/insisting/disucssing the Controlled Demolition

4 pages on the Pentagon
--Talking about lack of evidence of a plane crash
--Security Cameras Being conficasted
--Using science and talking about how the plane could not just disappear

Final Pages on Shakesville and on other topics

My friend is doing examples of government using terrorism against their own people. So he will prove the "why"they did it part of the story.

Another friend is comparing George W. Bush to Hitler. So we have the "why" topics covered.

I think mine will be able to prove enough in a mere 14 pages

Do you agree with my opinions on what I should do? Or will I end up writing more/less than I expect

any one? I know its my paper.... but I got some due dates to hit on sources and I want to make sure I am researching the best sources to convince my teacher of my thesis statement. I dont want to end up saying I will research one scientific topic about 9-11 then find it way to confusing to put into 9-11 terms

I'm an idiot that needs to do research.

http://911physics.co.nr

Would be the best place to get the information from.

ahh that will help

tahnks

If I were you I would do less on the WTC and Pentagon. I mean many people will be unconvinced for one thing. 4 and 8 pages is a shitload of reading for just one subtopic. Try to throw in as many facts about 9/11 as possible.
Like check out this list. You could try to put some of those facts in.
http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?t=90

I think other topics that you should focus on are 1. the Fake Osama tapes and the FBI admitting it had no evidence connectin OBL to the attacks. 2. The massive Israeli spy-ring and the 5 dancing Israelis.
And there are probably more topics.

I have searched for like an hour and cannot find exactly what kind of steel the Twin Towers were made of. Does anyone happen to know

It's probably better to ask that kind of question in the Twin Towers subforum.

Griffin has a term-paper-sized essay on 9/11 available on the internet that you might want to have a look at, including footnotes:
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060501003040487

Here's another term-paper-sized essay by Griffin:

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2006/911-M...ffin30mar06.htm

Cary said it the best, you'll have to decide what to exclude - you could write 10 pages just on the towers, you could write 10 pages on just the motivations. You could also write 10 pages of a general overview, but you'd only be able to scratch the surface.

You might be smart to limit it to one specific angle and look at 9/11 from that viewpoint - such as,

The rise of the neocons, from Leo Strauss' political science class @ Chicago University to the group's rise to prominence under the Reagan administration, to the writings and formulating they did in the latent Clinton years and their joining forces with Cheney and Rumsfeld in '97, and culminating in their work under Bush, the neocon-ish offices of Strategic Influence and Special Plans they helped create, the successful invasion of Iraq, Bolton's sneaky appointment to the UN, and the current push for a confrontation with Iran. You'd be lucky if you could fit all that in 12 pages, and it is an important story.

The Pakistan ISI and their connections to the Afghan/Soviet war and terrorism is another subject. The CFR is another. There is so much. Good luck !

Valid and truthfull .coms *shrugs*

#1- BBC News- Hijackers Identities questioned. Still alive

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm

Proves that our list is innacurate


#2- NPR (National Public Radio) recognizes that Bin Laden denied that he had anything to do with 9/11

http://www.pbs.org/flashpointsusa/20040629...ne_sep2001.html

Proves that Confession Tape is false

(I got these two in 3 minutes)

The government has cast a distorted view of what truly happened on this day filled with omissions and false answers to the important questions; Did the Twin Towers collapse due to fire?; Why did World Trade Center 7 collapse at all; Why is the hole in the Pentagon nothing like the hole a Boeing 757 would cause if one really crashed at the Pentagon?; these questions are being asked by the souls of the ones who perished on that day along with each member of those who urn for answers.

my thesis.... ya like? is it bad good... hate rate

do what ya like....

AWKWARD!

The government has cast a distorted view of what truly happened on this day filled with omissions and false answers to the important questions

(Bad construction, I suggest you move the end of this sentence to the beginning and create a result clause. "Because/reasoning" I'm guessing this is your thesis.)

; Did the Twin Towers collapse due to fire?;

(Repeat. Question mark or semi-colon. You must chose)

Why did World Trade Center 7 collapse at all;

(Specify your reasoning for being skeptical)

Why is the hole in the Pentagon nothing like the hole a Boeing 757 would cause if one really crashed at the Pentagon?

(Repeat of Pentagon twice in one sentence. Awkward. I suggest a reword.

; these questions are being asked by the souls of the ones who perished on that day along with each member of those who urn for answers.

(The souls of the ones who perished on that day already know the truth. Mentioning the dead as "thinking" or "demanding answers" seems reactionary at least, and at most it sounds stupid.)

:o

Any ideas on how to put on together that would catch the audience more? I thought putting some questions in the reader may get there attention to start

I actually wrote up a version of your thesis that I really liked, but I cant give it to you... considering the nature of the project. If you're patient enough, you can keep submitting modified thesises and I'll keep telling you what's wrong with them until we get something okay.

We are lieing in a corrpupt government willing to lie to its people regarding the truth behind 9-11.

The official report of the attacks on 9-11 is full of false information that with common sense and science can be disproven.

To much went in the favor of supposed terrorists on 9-11, there is no way that this country should of been that much unprepared and there scienticly is no way what what we were told could be true.

I really shouldnt be doing this... but.. *sigh*

Demonstrated by the lies dispersed by the government, we now live in a country where corrupt rulers are no longer obligated to tell the truth. (Revision of #1)

The official version is filled with lies and misconceptions that can be uncovered by both common sense and a simple knowledge of science. (Revision of #2)

As isolated incidents, the failures on the day of 9-11 appear to be mistakes, but as these series of events beings to come together, one after another, one begins to question the odds of such a chain of coincidence. (Revision of #3)

My formal sentence structuring so to say has been tainted due to computer slang and the fact that I write short stories. And the charatcers in my short stories usually talk with much slang.

I apologize for not being the best with the thesis... BUT thank you. those are so much better than what i came up with