What happened to the passengers of flight 93?

You tell me because I do not know. Maybe there were no passengers on board.

William Cashman was aboard, and his remains came back.

What is this theory implying happened to him?

As truth seekers, our job isn\'t to answer, but to ask the questions. It is questions, not answers that will lead to the truth. So even though you asked a question, since you aren\'t a truth seeker, the truth will not be found through your question. Only questions from those seeking the truth will lead to the truth.

truthnotlies.

"As truth seekers, our job isn\'t to answer, but to ask the questions. It is questions, not answers that will lead to the truth. So even though you asked a question, since you aren\'t a truth seeker, the truth will not be found through your question. Only questions from those seeking the truth will lead to the truth." <~ I'm still laughing. You should write for SNL, you're hysterical.

So, utilizing your logic (it's scary to even enter your world), it's fine and dandy to state ANY incredulous conspiracy and not expect any retorts, any feedback. Hmmmm, so using your format, I can state TRUTHNOTLIES murdered Jon Benet Ramsey. I don't have to include facts, evidence, ANYTHING. I can just state my case and walk away. Don't you NOW see how DUMB you sound?

NEDCMK1 asked a very poignant question and he's absolutely correct. The remains of Deora Bodley was also found.

So, where are the passengers? On the Canary Islands sipping Champagne cocktails?

John Adams in a letter to his wife Abigail wrote: "I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce, and agriculture, in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain."

Apparently, according to the second edition of LC, there passengers were offloaded when 93 landed in Cleveland. The documentary claims that whatever was in that field in Shanksville is wasn't flight 93. The major quotations they use to back this up come from a news reporter only viewing the site from a distance and Wally Miller, the coroner in Somerset County.

The exact quote from the documentary says, "I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there."

However, this is taken completely out of context and if we include the rest of the paragraph it's quite telling:

The article also discusses how "about 1,500 mostly scorched samples of human tissue" were recovered and goes on to discuss later how Miller personally contacted all the family members of the victims, because of the "emotionally wrenching impact of what happened to the bodies..."

So if we ask what happened to the passengers, the answer seems to be they died in that field, or so Wally Miller would tell us, strangely enough, in the exact same article the LC boys use to show there were no bodies.

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So as not to go off topic I'll leave this here, but personally taking a quote completely out of context to give the impression that it says what it doesn't (but fits your conclusion better) is not only bad research and reporting, but downright dishonest. Certainly doesn't make me more sympathetic to the conclusions of the documentary as a whole. Also, the guys defended this vehemently on their Democracy Now appearance... shabby, shabby work.

A lot of the passengers' remains were recovered in the 70 acres surrounding the Shanksville crash site. This is easy to learn, just click the links in the "Evidence" section of this website. The key is to read the articles in their entirety. Merely scanning them for quotes is not enough. You'll learn that the Somerset County coroner, Wally Miller, never suggests that a plane didn't crash there.

"Loose Change" quotes Miller as saying, ""I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there." Well, that's because of the condition of the remains. He went on to say, "It became like a giant funeral service." That same article states that the "hundreds of searchers who climbed the hemlocks and combed the woods for weeks were able to find about 1,500 mostly scorched samples of human tissue totaling less than 600 pounds, or about 8 percent of the total."

Another one of the articles notes that Miller "personally identified 12 bodies through fingerprints and teeth. The remaining 32 bodies had to be identified with DNA testing." And yet another article notes that nearly 4 years later, "Miller and a group of more than two dozen volunteers...made a final sweep of the property, looking for debris. The group found airplane debris near a section of downed evergreens and a small amount of human remains."

The articles go on and on about how Miller wanted to personally notify the family of each victim, and how sacred he considers the crash site. This is hardly a guy who denies a plane ever crashed there.

That is the dumbest thing I have ever read and there are a lot of dumb things to read on this board. What makes it even dumber is that you believe it is profound.

The passengers are dead, what do you mean "what happened"?

It doesn't matter, Flight 93 didn't crash in Shanksville...

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/flight93.html

here is a better question...

what happened to flight 93? "they" say it crashed but then it lands?

Yeah, I have the same question... Where are the victims from flight 93?? It crashed and then it landed on the airport?? It doesn't make sense... And the families who lost their husbands and kids... Do they know all this?? Do they know that there was no "flight 93 crush"? If there was not a crush, there was no people inside the plan, right?? I don't know... The same thing to flight 77... If it was not a plane that crashed into the pentagon, where are the missing people from the flight?? Are the Hidden somewhere??

Peace*
Catarina

Ask Bush.

If they're able to remove 26.000 tons of steel from the WTC, while hundreds of millions of people around the world look on and yet without the established press reporting on it, then it shouldn't be too hard to liquidate the 200 or so passengers on 4 flights- an unusually small number of people anyway- that presumably landed on airfields and bases where a lot of need-to-know covert activity took place anyway.
Eliminating those 45 or so passengers on Flight 93 would probably be the easiest part of the operation; which I assume is the only reason that this is still a mystery.

Allow my steal a quote from the movie Billy Madison:

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

My cousins best-friends Father was the pilot on Flight 93. He has not been seen since.

Because I'm curious :


Does anyone here think the people on Flight 93 are still alive?

Hilarious answer. [crylol]

No, they are dead. They were on the plane that crashed in shanksville whether via a missile from 1 of our fighter jets or via the ragheads, that's the answer. The only answer.

Odds favor a precise shot via one of our pilots to damage the plane enough to keep it in tact so that the debris field was kept to a minimum. This insures low casualties on the ground (which in turn was zero, good job). And don't think for a minute that we can't guide a missle fired from a fighter jet precisely to a point on a jet that will just drop it from the sky. It was taken out before it got to heavily populated areas.

I disagree in part because the debris was scattered for miles.

Remove your head from your ass and liquidate yourself!

No plane crashed then landed! It crashed and a lot of innocent people died!! Why is that so hard for you people to accept?? If you get all your facts from crack-pot jerkoffs, who get their facts from other crack-pot jerkoffs your just going to end up spouting nonsense like truthnotlies. Is that how you want to be?


You Ct`s call yourselves truth seekers and talk about how the media and government have all us rational thinkers brainwashed. It`s cool if you think i`m wrong, I don`t care what you think!

The people I care about are the ones that are easily swayed by your (fictional-biased) documentries. You show them your "evidence" with your half-quotes and non-experts. I`ll show them mine!

btw. Gman... Very funny :)

Is anyone looking for him?

Face on a milk carton?

Let me guess, probably not.

One cannot find that which no one seeks.

Seek your people who are assumed dead and hope that the same would be done for you. Unless these 200 people were summarily executed and their bones scattered where they needed to be.

For one thing plane crashed dont make bones. Cremations make bones - 2+ hours in a oven and then they need to be ground up to get that nice ash you give to the next of kin in a jar. I do not know why these people were ground up and then scattered at these locations - it makes littles sense. Or it is a lie.

are you debating or insulting?


one would ask you, how you can prove flt 77 hit the pentagon...

Perhaps you can explain for me how a Boeing 757 with a wingspan of 124 feet can leave a crater with the wingspan of 60 feet then? Please elaborate because this has been bugging the shit out of me for a long time.

How's that for facts?

@ The Decider - What`s to debate about? A plane crashed and people lost their lives in the process! 1500 human remains were found at the crash site along with the wreckage. So what happened to the passengers??? Can it be said any more clearly???

How can I prove that flight 77 hit the Pentagon?? Again...numerous eye witness reports, wreckage of said plane and the bodies of those onboard. Looks pretty open and shut to me.

Next you`ll ask me how I can prove that Flight 11 and 75 hit the towers. You`ll say something stupid like "prove it wasn`t all a hologram" or some nonsense like that. Now I`m being insulting!

@Terrorcell - Can you provide me with a link to where the 60ft wide crater number comes from? I honestly would like to know, as I haven`t seen that number presented before.

Personally, I believe the plane was shot down. The 8 mile trail of debris leaves me to believe this and that would also make that "small hole in the ground" conclusive.

well you got that right, now you are being insulting, but not to me, but to yourself.

WOW, thats some hard evidence right there!!!.....bravo! [salute]

here i was being silly, thinking, we would need things like

1) see if all 3 of the recoverd "parts" match up the flight 77's service records.

2) are you saying witness reports count? hmmmmm.

3) and then their is the PESKY flight data recorder proving flight 77 didnt hit the pentagon, let alon the lightpoles.

4) how did all the dna get recoverd from a plane that vaporized, and burned into nothing......but the dna was wearing little firesuits?


now lets review youre hard evidence....

wow, great work!!! [thumbsup] you should be a C.S.I guy

[crylol]

...You also know, that numerous eyewitness reports also talk about a "White plane with no markings" following right behind a passenger jet (don't say C-130, because a cargo plane is NOT FAST ENOUGH to keep up with a 757/767), not to mention eyewitnesses saying the plane flew over them in different areas, different directions, different locations, a Flight Data Recorder (FDR) that apparently doesn't match up with the official story, 2 videos out that show absolutely no evidence of ANYTHING even happening that day at the Pentagon, A testemony by Norman Mineta stating Cheney and friends saw a/the plane was "50 miles out", no seats, no luggage, no plane tail, no structure of the plane left, but all passengers (Except the 4 terrorists) were able to be identified and a good 84 videos in the hands of the FBI that will never see the light of day.

...open and shut? Not quite, though I wish it was. If you can disregard all that and call it an "open and shut" case, then you'll also have to believe the Iraq War had no major flaws and was open and shut as well.

If you talk to most CT'ers, or what I call Truthers, virtually all of them don't believe that garbage. Those are your paranoid out-of-touch people making things up even before looking at the facts. Many members here (including me) just look at the facts and evidence and notice WAY too many holes in this "official" report.

Again, if you don't include ALL eyewitness testimony, then you can't have a full investigation. Yes, I agree people saw commercial planes at the Pentagon and Shanksville, but the problem is they weren't alone and most eyewitness testimony can prove that. They also prove that even if there were planes that did what the official report says, then we have the problem of another plane at the pentagon following it as well as a few others in the area of shanksville as well.

Either look at ALL the evidence or don't bother. I don't believe in Cherry-picking evidence, and if you take it all into account, the official story is laughable.

There are many such unanswered questions. I believe the evidence is strong that (part of) a jumbo jet did impact the ground between Shanksville and Lambertsville. I am confident there was an A-10 in the immediate area before, at the time of, and after the impact. I also believe there was at least one F-16 with UAL 93 in its cross-hairs.

I do wish people would stop being so flippant regarding their convictions regarding "no
plane, no passengers" ideas. If there were people killed on UAL93, and you are mocking their deaths, you are not going to advance the cause of finding the truth.

I just tried to talk to Wallace Miller, the Somerset County Coroner. I just told him I was researching the events of September 11, 2001, and tried to explain to him why I was contacting him. He is described as "unflappable" in the MSM articles about him. He sure seemed pretty irritated when I spoke with him. He said "get to the point", to which I responded:"I'm trying to establish what the chain of information was relating to the events." At that point, he said "I don't have time for this. There are reams of information available about that. Good bye." He then hung up the phone.

I suspect that a man who pieced together the remains of 40+ human beings isn't going to be too patient with people who mockingly claim the people never died. When people call themselves "truthers" and conduct themselves in that way, they merely alienate people who might otherwise help the cause.

I will add that I spoke with the editor of the Daily American who basically told me to direct my questions to the people who conducted the official investigation. I mentioned that I suspect someone from the government (FBI) might be leaning on him, and he did not deny the suggestion.

Wally didn't piece together anything, i was in Shanksville last night. The only thing recovered from the scene was part of a jawbone and some teeth. Of course that's from someone who was on the scene and not Wally himself. People are afraid to be on camera. They're afraid to speak out. But I've made 5 trips there since 9/11/6 and they have some stories to tell in that area. Problem is finding ones brave enough to do it on film.

I don't know what to think about Flight 93... really, there are so many questions that are unanswered. But when I look at the pictures from the crash... it's kinda hard for me to believe that when a Boing 767 crashes to the ground leaves almost no trace of itself.

Boing 767 just like Flight 93 to get a prespective how big the plane is



And then the crash scene photos















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Yes, it's odd, but the question is whether you're going to take an odd circumstance and tie that into a conspiracy theory!

Oh my. Have we another coincidentalist? Are you telling us that 4 commercial aircraft just happened to go off course at almost the same time and fatally crash; three into some of the best portected targets in human history?

This is by no means a comprehensive list of witness accounts of what people saw in the final moments of what is reported to have been UAL 93:

http://vehme.blogspot.com/2006/09/shanksvi...tery-plane.html
http://www.flight93crash.com/flight93_eyewitness.html
http://imilac100.batcave.net/oldsite/pag6.htm
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/10/UA93/JSB231001.html
http://911review.com/articles/reijden/911_my_own_review.htm

Are we to believe all of those are consistent with the 19 zealots with box-cutters OCT?

At the Flight 93 Memorial they tell people the plane "vaporized" when it hit the ground.

Can you provide one example of when a plane crashed and turned into a gas?

Or at least show me the science where it is possible to turn steel and titanium into a steam from it impacting the ground at 500MPH?

Also, how could they possibly identify the people if the plane "vaporized", would they not have vaporized too? Last time I checked steel could withstand a lot more than flesh and bones.

I believe the conspiracy behind 9/11 100%. But I always seem a bit puzzled about the passengers of Flight 93, just like most other people. I hope one day we will find out for sure what happened to these people- alive or sadly departed.

Although I feel strongly about bringing the US government (or those of which) to justice, I don't force my views onto anyone. I'm totally happy to listen to the ideas and thoughts of those who don't see the reasons behind 9/11 like I do. It's up to the individual to make their own decision. All we can do is present all the evidence we see proves that this isn't a straight forward terror attack.

However, it does appear to me that 'some' people force themselves not to 'take into consideration' what's directly infront of them because they feel more comfortable to think that their Government is there to protect them. I mean, c'mon it's a very scarey prospect to think that your Goverment can actually be capable of killing thousands of it's own people. People that they have promised to protect and fight for at all costs. It scares the s**t outta me for sure! But what I believe is my own decision and mine only. And, for what I think is right - the culprits should be punished no matter how powerful they are. Remember, there is nobody more powerful than a Government than the people themselves! [box]

Hayley x

Just so I understand, KillTown.... The fact that 40 human lives had been wiped out doesn't matter? I'd imagine there are 40 families out there who would beg to differ with you.

Regardless of whether or not you believe Flight 93 crashed in Shanksville, you still need to account for the people on board.

For us it doesn't matter because we've established a gov't conspiracy in the fact that Flight 93 didn't crash at that spot in Shanksville, so now it's up to the gov't to tell where those 40 passengers really are.

...I will say again, how can we account for the people on board when don't even know exactly what happened to FLIGHT 93? Last time I checked there's still a little dispute as to why we have eyewitnesses who saw other planes that day (that aren't being talked about by officials) and why a small crater is supposed to explain everything away?

It doesn't. First and foremost we need to figure out what happened, then when we're given enough evidence to make a statement of that nature, we can start to piece together victims. If that even can happen.

I'm sure Killtown didn't mean it that way, but for god sakes leave emotion and the "bodies" out of the Flight 93 argument. Our gov't and movie producers have done enough of that without anyone really knowing the full story on 9/11.

The Victims' families still have questions and so do I. I'll worry about "what happened to the bodies" when I figure out the answer to "what the hell happened to the PLANE".

Okay, gotcha. I understand now. You said it was a conspiracy, busted out Google Earth and MS Paint to prove it, and now it's the government's turn to say, "Oh, well... You caught us. Here's what REALLY happened...."

Forgive my naivete, but if they wouldn't come clean about shooting it down, why would they come clean about where the passengers were?

The passengers (on all the flights) have always been, and will continue to be, the thorn in the conspiracy theorists' side. I can understand why you dismiss them so easily.

9/11 Truth: Dedicated to the theoretical lives we lost that day.