Title: Vdot Traffic Camera Mast
Description: New damage to consider.
Description: New damage to consider.
Russell Pickering - September 28, 2006 06:59 AM (GMT)
The following quote always made me curious.
"In the same area, the blast from the plane's impact damaged the lenses of one
of VDOT's traffic monitoring cameras and knocked the camera sideways."
http://www.roadstothefuture.com/VA_Sept21.txt
I talked to the guy who handled that camera and he described it to me. The lens was not broken just the protective glass in front of it. It made no sense to me that it could be jet blast from the angle. He showed me the same type of camera while I was in the VDOT yard when I asked about it.
The camera on the left is the same type as the one on the pole on 9/11. It is the glass behind the little windshield wiper that was shattered - the lens was fine he said. The camera on the right is a photo I took on our trip and what they have on the pole today.
The other night JDX was analyzing the flight path and posted a graphic demonstrating that the right wing would have to have gone over the road sign. I looked at it closely and had to agree. I wanted to see if that was possible and dug into the new hi-res Ingersoll photos we acquired on the trip.
I was quite surprised to see what I found. The VDOT camera mast had been clipped by the very tip of the right wing. The vibration of the pole is what most likely shattered the glass.
You can see on the left even one of the alternating climbing pegs was knocked off.
This is what the overall scene looked like on that day. Pole one was out of the photo to the left and about 2-3 feet lower at the base than the VDOT mast. Foreshortening and lens distortion play a role in this photo. Look where the generator is to imagine the flight path coming from the left. I was told the mast was 60 feet but have not found secondary documentation on that. The road signs are generally 30 feet and it does work out to be half the pole. You can also see a regular 40 foot pole to compare it all.
This is the scene from our trip. The photo is taken from what I estimated the flight path to be. You can see the wing damage on the pole still. You can also see that the wing could have clipped the VDOT mast shattering the glass with vibration, cleared the sign and hit pole 1. Keep in mind the wingtip on a 757 is slightly higher than the wing root.
That is the replacement for pole one. Notice how it is nestled in the trees? I heard it suggested somewhere on the forum recently that the leaves next to the cab had been sprinkled on the road or something. When it was ripped out it actually had to pass through the trees and thus the leaves on the road.
The inset in the left just gives some idea of an overhead view. The main photo is also another opportunity to see a different perspective on the bridge mound and its elevation from the lower roadway.
Given that the pole was just clipped by the wingtip this is the part that would have done the damage. The shape is exact. It is composite material and would not cut into the metal of the pole. It would just scuff it like we see. There is some white debris on the road in the Ingersoll photos but it is too indistinguishable to prove anything.
This graphic obviously has some problems because of the skew of the satellite angle. But it is a close representation. The white line at the top is a Google measure of 124 feet for the wingspan. The compass is to line up with the heading information of 61.5 degrees.
So, if you line up the wingtip to the approximate middle of the VDOT mast (accounting for foreshortening) it looks like some portion of the right engine may have actually impacted pole one. If it were pushed down for instance that could account for the glass being directly under the pole area as opposed to being sliced in half by the wing.
I am doing more work on backing out of the hole and pole height damage to see what it all lines out to be. I'll finish comparing it all within a week or so and hopefully make sense of it.
This graphic is not finished yet in detail but gives a representation of how the overall scene fits together. Getting the 9-7-01 satellite photo that shows the generator and everything to line up perfectly with the current Google overlay is not easy because of the different perspectives.
I can already hear the objections to various aspects of this. I KNOW the FDR says this is impossible. But the coincidence of the damage height, the broken glass report and the heading all lining up with the mechanical damage path is pretty interesting. I also know my first graphics were off and am always looking at new things and trying to learn as I go. Test it all for yourself.
The one thing that has to be asked then I guess............is did they fake this too? Was it hidden to be discovered five years later by accident?
"In the same area, the blast from the plane's impact damaged the lenses of one
of VDOT's traffic monitoring cameras and knocked the camera sideways."
http://www.roadstothefuture.com/VA_Sept21.txt
I talked to the guy who handled that camera and he described it to me. The lens was not broken just the protective glass in front of it. It made no sense to me that it could be jet blast from the angle. He showed me the same type of camera while I was in the VDOT yard when I asked about it.
The camera on the left is the same type as the one on the pole on 9/11. It is the glass behind the little windshield wiper that was shattered - the lens was fine he said. The camera on the right is a photo I took on our trip and what they have on the pole today.
The other night JDX was analyzing the flight path and posted a graphic demonstrating that the right wing would have to have gone over the road sign. I looked at it closely and had to agree. I wanted to see if that was possible and dug into the new hi-res Ingersoll photos we acquired on the trip.
I was quite surprised to see what I found. The VDOT camera mast had been clipped by the very tip of the right wing. The vibration of the pole is what most likely shattered the glass.
You can see on the left even one of the alternating climbing pegs was knocked off.
This is what the overall scene looked like on that day. Pole one was out of the photo to the left and about 2-3 feet lower at the base than the VDOT mast. Foreshortening and lens distortion play a role in this photo. Look where the generator is to imagine the flight path coming from the left. I was told the mast was 60 feet but have not found secondary documentation on that. The road signs are generally 30 feet and it does work out to be half the pole. You can also see a regular 40 foot pole to compare it all.
This is the scene from our trip. The photo is taken from what I estimated the flight path to be. You can see the wing damage on the pole still. You can also see that the wing could have clipped the VDOT mast shattering the glass with vibration, cleared the sign and hit pole 1. Keep in mind the wingtip on a 757 is slightly higher than the wing root.
That is the replacement for pole one. Notice how it is nestled in the trees? I heard it suggested somewhere on the forum recently that the leaves next to the cab had been sprinkled on the road or something. When it was ripped out it actually had to pass through the trees and thus the leaves on the road.
The inset in the left just gives some idea of an overhead view. The main photo is also another opportunity to see a different perspective on the bridge mound and its elevation from the lower roadway.
Given that the pole was just clipped by the wingtip this is the part that would have done the damage. The shape is exact. It is composite material and would not cut into the metal of the pole. It would just scuff it like we see. There is some white debris on the road in the Ingersoll photos but it is too indistinguishable to prove anything.
This graphic obviously has some problems because of the skew of the satellite angle. But it is a close representation. The white line at the top is a Google measure of 124 feet for the wingspan. The compass is to line up with the heading information of 61.5 degrees.
So, if you line up the wingtip to the approximate middle of the VDOT mast (accounting for foreshortening) it looks like some portion of the right engine may have actually impacted pole one. If it were pushed down for instance that could account for the glass being directly under the pole area as opposed to being sliced in half by the wing.
I am doing more work on backing out of the hole and pole height damage to see what it all lines out to be. I'll finish comparing it all within a week or so and hopefully make sense of it.
This graphic is not finished yet in detail but gives a representation of how the overall scene fits together. Getting the 9-7-01 satellite photo that shows the generator and everything to line up perfectly with the current Google overlay is not easy because of the different perspectives.
I can already hear the objections to various aspects of this. I KNOW the FDR says this is impossible. But the coincidence of the damage height, the broken glass report and the heading all lining up with the mechanical damage path is pretty interesting. I also know my first graphics were off and am always looking at new things and trying to learn as I go. Test it all for yourself.
The one thing that has to be asked then I guess............is did they fake this too? Was it hidden to be discovered five years later by accident?