I also like the way they selected the inverted 9/11, anyways..........

(I believe that's correct, right? they actually are going to release it)


Who here wants to bet that it shows a plane hitting the Pentagon? (Especially you JREF Lurkers)

I'll take all bets. There is no way in hell you're ever going to see a plane hit the Pentagon. EVER.


I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU, BUT I'M STILL WAITING TO SEE THE 12+ SURVEILANCE CAMERA TAPES THAT CAUGHT THE OKLAHOMA (INSIDE JOB) BOMBING.

Looking at how your goverment works I would say that they would have
released any video that shows a plane hitting the pentagon just to their actions more if
they could.
I think it's going to show a quiet scene and then an explosion with the real thing cut
out.

Of course it won't show anything.

There isn't a good enough vantage point from the doubletree anyway.

There is no way it would have caught the impact but it may have caught the plane.

Of course they won't release any of the angles that show the plane no matter what.

Isn't it sickening that we're that use to being insulted that we already know exactly how the events are going to play themselves out?

I just noticed the 11/9. Talk about rubbing it in the Americans' faces. [thmdwn] Also the first time they've put a solid "release date" on a 9/11 video, which is really weird since they put the Citgo tape out without much notice.

Guys who went to DC, seems like some of you spoke to the security guy at the hotel. Did you find out if the cameras record at 30 frames per second? And if they record at full screen, or broken into quarters? Also would the camera have possibly picked up the plane's shadow if it followed the FDR path or damage path? Remember the "shocked employees" who had seen the tape? I think this is our best chance yet, but they're still dicking us around with contradicting impact or flyover tapes trying to distract us from the actual inside job. Hopefully this tape shows SOMETHING. [rock]

If the past is any precedent it would be a dud.

But the fact they have staged this and it is timed for the elections makes me wonder.

What could have caused shock and horror to the employees? I don't see how it could possibly show the impact from the angles involved and if it did they would be in violation of the first FOIA.

I did not pay attention to the frame rate of the monitors. I only had a few seconds to scan 3 or 4 screens with about 9 images each on them if I recall correctly. I did not see a Pentagon shot at that time.

It may show a plane on a low trajectory for a couple of frames is my guess. It could show a fireball I guess and not technically show the actual connection of an aircraft to the wall or an "impact".

If it is a plane coming in it could provide some answers to flyover and flight path questions.

All speculation, zero evidence. Can you link us to where you found that the Doubletree tape would be released on 11/9? Thanks.

By November 9th.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/5965.shtml

Wasn't there something that said they didn't have any footage showing a plane or impact besides what they've already released ? I thought I read that a while ago. If so, why would we expect any footage of a plane coming soon ? They would have been lying outright if there was a plane in the footage coming in the future if what I read came from them directly. Shadows, movement and all that jazz may be in play, but where does that get us ? Knowwhere if you ask me as we don't know and, well we actually do know it's probably doctored, so you can't trust it anyway.

Focus needs to be on building 7 if you ask me. I do like reading all the investigative work on the pentagon as it's great detial being talked about, but the acomplishment needs to be what will help bring out the truth and we have to be crazy to think they would actually release something that would catch them. It's the Pentagon we're talking about here right, why and how can we outsmart their technology by looking at photos released by them ?

Sorry I'm a little discouraged at the moment by what will come of the Pentagon investigation. I do think there are plenty of people to go around in research so it can't hurt anything by some focusing on it, so might as well.

PS: Russell, by the end of this all I think you would be one hell of a crime investigator, so maybe photography will be your past time job and you could get a CSI job somewhere in the future. God knows you probably know more than most in that line of work. Your resume' might be hard to convence them in believing you have the experience, but it would be a self taught resume', I can see the heading now. haha. but seriously. =p

Logic,

The FBI really played a word game with the first FOIA. The used the word "impact" very precisely. So for instance, we got the two security videos but not the camera on the facade right above and just a little to the north of the impact. Technically if that camera didn't show the plane of the wall and an aircraft nose hitting it it could be considered exempt. Even if it showed images of a plane flying right at it.

The same with the Doubletree. It would have been at an angle (IF they had a camera high up) in relation to the Pentagon that would obscure the impact. The only thing that makes me suspicious about this one is election season.

The last release was a bomb. Even Bill O'Reilley said it didn't prove anything on FOX news. I just can't imagine why they would flop again particularly this time of year. Since the Citgo was really an inconclusive dud why not release the Doubletree at the same time if they were both duds?

If you go strictly by history this one will be a dud like the others, but if you ask about the timing it gets more curious. We will know soon.

Here is some location and history on videos: http://www.pentagonresearch.com/video.html I haven't updated for a while. I will probably wait until the Doubletree video to do that - so there is some out of date info.

Thank you for the comments. I have obsessive compulsive disorder.

November 9th is 2 days AFTER the election so that would have no bearing whatsoever on why they chose that date.

Plus it makes no sense why you would call the citgo video an "inconclusive dud" in this thread yet go to such detailed lengths in your other thread to prove that it conclusively corroborates the official story flight path.

Why are you contradicting yourself so blatantly?

In regards to the doubletree video...

I've heard the quote about the witnesses being "Shocked and horrified" about the tape. Is there anyway for the loose change guys to get in touch with the eyewitnesses?

Here's another idea: Even if they don't want to talk about what they saw (or they can't) we could atleast maybe get an eyewitness to the video footage and see whether or not the tape was tampered with.

Even if it shows nothing, there's a short possibility it was suppossed to show more and having a true eyewitness to corroborate the video evidence could be beneficial.

I figure if an eyewitness can't tell us what he/she saw, he/she might be able to tell us that atleast the tape is authentic or tampered without needing their full (classified under FBI) story.

Just a thought.

Lyte,

Reacting before you read always leads to inaccuracies. The quote was BY November 9th. Slow down - don't be so anxious to debunk me. You shouldn't be concerned anyways about the content of this video as it will be proclaimed faked no matter what it shows - unless maybe it shows a flyover and then of course you'll trust the government.

Russell

KA,

I have tried to determine that on the phone and went there in person. Employees there and at the Sheraton always refer you "upstairs".

I have also been through management up to the legal departments at both with no results. It would be nice if we could find somebody who saw it before/after for confirmation though.

The thing is about this video is the reports of it existed immediately. Jamie McIntyre filed an FOIA for it and was denied even though he was the Pentagon CNN correspondent.

The Gertz file report made the "shock and horror" comment by September 21st.

Who knows?

Russell

SLOW DOWN.

This is what I said "This thread will open up the conversation on the Citgo video. It is written with the understanding of what the FDR says and that some people believe all the physical damage is faked. None of it is putting forth anything as a fact but just pointing out observations and raising questions. Some of the graphics will be based on flight path estimations based on a general heading of 61.5 and the general mechanical damage."

I am not done yet. I don't believe it is conclusive but I do feel the wall illumination and shadow are interesting. I also say, "I believe the illumination of the wall, the shadow and the associated crowd reaction imply a plane flying through that area as we established on the trip.

"But with a sun angle that would cause the illumination on the wall as well as the shadow passing over the store it puts the plane on the south side of the Citgo in line with the mechanical damage path.

It obviously doesn't prove an impact but it confirms the 61.5 heading of the aircraft."

This is my belief. The crowd reaction is obviously significant and really can't be faked. Unless they reenacted it all??

They wouldn't have to reenact it all.

I don't doubt the crowd reaction is to the flyover and/or the explosion.

Doctoring in a couple flashes or shadows to confirm the official story flight path would serve their purposes just fine and be quite simple to pull off in 5 years.

They know they've got guys like you out there that will disseminate the info for them properly.

Hide a couple of subtle things and trust some guy will find it and disseminate it 5 years later?

They're smart!

Do "they" pay?

You tell me.

Your sarcasm in this context is baffling.

By putting "they" in quotations you sound like the right wing official story swallowers that I debate on myspace.

Are you disputing that there is a conspiracy behind 9/11?

Are you disputing that the perpetrators had control of this video for the last 5 years?

Are you disputing it was "they" who released the video and controlled when to release it?

Do you really think that they are not "smart"?


All I meant is that "they" obviously would know there are plenty of plane hugging pentagon enthusiasts like you that would find their doctored "shadows".

Really Russell.....do you honestly think we shouldn't bother being skeptical about this video?

You don't find it the least bit suspcious that it was suppressed for 5 years and that they STILL haven't released a clear video of the plane?

I sense more great frustration frothing forth.
Please gentlemen, let's retain some composure here. I have about a 5% hope of the DTree video showing anything. But until we see, well, you know.

Lyte, I understand your tone and questions, and I don't know if Russel as specfically stated his beliefs. I also don't think he has directly answered your ?'s in other threads about his 'beliefs'.

I'm not taking anyone's 'side' here, just asking for calm. /cheers

rabble rabble

Its all speculation. But in the days before and after the elections all the mainstream media are flooded with stuff about candidates, results, new political constellations and so on. As a spin doctor I would prefer such a situation to release news that doesn´t fit my wishes.

Show me a plane hitting the pentagon....

Do you know how long eternity is? We'll be waiting a very, very VERY long time for that to happen JDX... [whistle]

UT,

Here is a pretty clear statement of my beliefs.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...showtopic=14279

I just don't believe everything at the Pentagon is fake.

Russell

Better yet, show me a BOEING 757 hitting the Pentagon.

They can't, because it did not happen.

200,000 POUND plane disappears into thin air. But bones for DNA survive. Perhaps we should start making airplanes out of chicken bones and turkey bones.
And maybe we should make tall buildings out of chicken and turkey bones too. They don't melt like steel.

[whistle]

The Pentagon is actually a blue screen CGI. Its not even there. The building itself is a big hoax. This is why "they" never let you get closer than the "mound" at the Citgo...


:D

John "Show me a plane hitting the Pentagon" DoeX

That might be true.

Dylan and I were watching it from the hotel one morning and we thought we saw the Pentagon shimmer and blink out for a second.

Then a silver orb whizzed by.

all i know is, it definitely had something to do with the reptillians.

*waits for that gravy/mark dude to use that against you*

shape shifting ba**ards

I would comment on this but I can't because of the mind control.

:ph43r: