Greatness: By The Power of the Mastermind
It has been said that the most powerful force for progressive change and historical transformation, is that of a Mastermind Alliance - which may be defined as two or more people working together in a spirit of Harmony, to realize a definite aim or purpose.

The soon to reach 2000 members of this website forum could be considered a type of mastermind alliance, who's definite aim and purpose it is, to employ Loose Change as a means of spreading the truth about 9/11 to as many people as possible, as fast as possible.

This thread is simply being offered, to gather in any and all ideas which might be helpful to the crew of Louder Than Words, to assist them in any way we can, and to perhaps give them some valuable insight and helpful encouragement in their (and our own) exciting journey, on the path of Civilized progress, toward a more free and a more perfect Civil Society.

The aim here is not to try to direct or to tell anyone what to do by any means, but only to offer up helpful thoughts and ideas, like a schmorgesboard from which the men of Louder than Words may freely draw as they so chose.

I have a few ideas which have been simmering away, but I'd like someone else to go first.

What is your very best idea for the continued evolution of Loose Change, from any angle or perspective, whether it's production, distribution, advertizing, screenings, anything at all..?

All of the above.

Plus maybe contacting celebreties and people who hold high positions that might agree with what we have to say.



Meth [salute]

Ok, here's the brainstorm idea that's been circling in my head almost constantly over the last couple days. Gotta get it out now.. and put my mind to rest about this! :huh:

First off - there's just too MUCH information, factual, unassailable and incontrovertible evidenciary information, about 9/11, proving the official story patently false and utterly absurd - that it would be impossible to even begin to pack it into a single 9/11 movie.

Second - Loose Change 1 and 2, as great as they've been - could be viewed by LTW (Louder than Words) as nothing more or less than a trail run, and oh what a run it has been now with LC2E circling the globe faster than Superman.
Point is - the infrastructure is now in place, the good will, and the brand name recognition (Loose Change) firmly entrenched, the entire grass roots phenomenon of Loose Change, spreading like Wildfire across the United States and around the world!

Therefore, how 'bout just re-setting the clock on the whole thing now at this formative/generative stage, and imagining a whole new realm of Loose Change possibility..?!!!

Instead of calling the next release "The Final Cut" or "Final Edition" - why not simply do away with that idea, and think of it instead, as a for-theater level production, as the very first Loose Change high end production for mass consumption, considering the first and second iterations instead merely as the trial run for the real thing?! - more of a no-budget Internet grass roots phenomenon, which is now ready for the big BIG TIME small budget Limelight, produced for theaters and nation wide video store distribution. No need for a "movie deal". Heck, produce it yourself, market it yourself, rent the theaters yourself, and distribute it yourself, and give away very little, except those things which make the entire operation more efficient, and which help spread the word.

Going a step further, operating from this premise - why not plan for a Loose Change TRILOGY..? You could map it all out, and "storyboard" it all in advance..

The first movie could be called Loose Change 911 - not 9/11, but 911, the emergency call sign, as in "emergency, loose (set loose) the change ASAP" as one of many meanings inherent in the title, including the more obvious as a description of how it evolved from scratch.

1) Loose Change 911
"The Truth Shall Set You Free" (as a caption)

The second film, which could provide all the background info, of the history prior to, and eminating from, 9/11 as the "new Pearl Harbor" event, could be called something like

2) Loose Change - In Search of Truth (and Justice?) - something like that, not sure about the and Justice part.
"History is not history, unless it is true." could be a caption for this film, which would penetrate the hsitorical "egg" of 9/11, since it can in fact be proven well beyond reasonable doubt, that the Bush admin was planning the Afghanistan War and the Iraq attack, well before 9/11, and then used 9/11 as a point of leverage power projection to wage an unjust War of Agression, and not just unjust, but of a level of uminaginable hypocrisy (as framed by the first foundational movie, Loose Change 911).

3) Loose Change Revolution
"In times of universal deceipt, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
This movie, the truly last one in the trilogy, would be the movie that Dylan wanted to make from the beginning, and it would reveal the entire Loose Change "journey", including the effect that Loose Change as part of the now powerful and influencial 9/11 Truth Movement has had, and the impact that it's made on popular culture and even history itself. It would also be a call to revolution.

In this way, the WHOLE of the 9/11 Truth story could be told, and the Loose Change movie Dylan wanted to do from the beginning also made, and made a big time hit - by the preceeding two info rich revelatory documentaries.

It would be more successful than F911, and there would be no need to hand off all the dough to the rich pricks in Hollywood or wherever. Theaters rent their theaters and return the profits. Video Stores order videos. People buy videos off the web in a big way. Louder than Words then makes for itself it OWN "movie deal".

That's the essence of my brainstorm.

Why make this next release the LAST one by calling it "Final Edition" or "Final Cut"?
Pretend that the first two editions were simply the trial run, to get the name brand recognition going, and to lay down the infrastructure, like this website, and DVD distribution for example.

Dylan, Korey and Jason - they are the men in black, an already tightly knit mastermind alliance in their own right - capable of renting office space or hiring on staff, whatever...

For a willing heart, all things really ARE possible, then probable, and finally actual.

The Loose Change name has a LOT going for it, especially right now, and it's now about to fade for a moment.

Begin with the end in mind.

Regards,

SZ

P.S. Be certain to submit the first (next) release for competition in next year's Sundance Film Festival. It will win hands down I think. And that will also give it even more "umpf" for continued play in theaters, and in video stores + set the stage for the next Loose Change: In Search of Truth (sounds like Star Treck: In Search of Spock).

This way - almost every aspect of 9/11 CAN in fact get told, and it's important to have something important to tell the world, if you are to become a truly great movie producer.

And so what if you capitalize on the success of F911 with the title Loose Change 911 and rake in 50-100 million or more in the process. Money is power also, used wisely. ;)

Here is the other idea which has been "cooking".

For the fifth anniversay 300+ nation wide theater release of the next release, whatever it's called (though I do like "Loose Change 911") - you might want to consider giving the first 1000 ticket buyers, at each box office, a DVD disk, with a note about copying and sharing printed on the back of the white paper sleeve.

In this way the "sphere" of truth, since the real truth movement is nothing but the movement of the truth itself to the greatest number of minds - could be increased by as many as 30 million people, if the sharing of the movie with others increases the sum total number of viewers by 10X, which it would, and more, since the conversion rate for viewers of Loose Change is damn near 90% or better, and the next release will probably be better by another 100X than this latest one, as LC2E was better than the first Loose Change by 100X.

This could produce a "following" of over 50 million people awaiting the NEXT release after that, as per the Loose Change trilogy idea in the previous post.

That would change history right there, and maybe result in Dick Cheney to ultimately perish from something other than a heart attack when his ticker goes.. ;)

I guess i meant 3 million people actually, but it doesn't take long with this issue, for 3 million to become 30 million in a hurry. You wouldn't "cut" that many disks at first of course (300,000), to see how things roll..

Point is, if people are willing to spend 8 bucks to come see the movie at the theater, then you've got a potential activist on your hands. Might as well get a scaled up truth bomb detonating in every major town and city in the USA while you're at it then, right? So it would be well worth the additional cost involved. You could even make them clean without the printing on the DVD disk, and then offer the label on the website, maybe have just the website address printed on them or something real cheap like that?

And you wouldn't need to worry about too much advertising costs either. Word of mouth will quickly take care of that.

Before you know it, you'll be expanding the release to a couple more thousand theaters, once you get into the swing of it, and like I said, just open some office space and hire a bunch of staff if you need to. What a cool company to work for LTW would be hey? Totally cool.

Of course when you go F911 BIG in terms of the release, you then run a national wide TV add campaign, right out of the blue - making it VERY intriguing and mysterious of course..

After all, it IS the best real life horror flik ever made! It will rated R, just like United 93, but it will blow 93 away in terms of sales. Just think of the possibilities..

P.S. I guess what I'm trying to describe is a process, employing the supreme power of the "Mastermind Alliance" which will fully harness the force of nature called the Golden Rule or "PHI" or what might be thought of simply as the law of increasing returns (the opposing dynamic to that employed by the Bush WH obviously.. :huh: ) - and using every single increase, or extension in the infrastructure to extend further still the entire "realm of possibility" regarding this amazing Loose Change phenomenon. It's just a continuation of everything that's already happened so far, continuance being the operative word. Might as well get way ahead of the curve in anticipating each new wave or roll of continuous progression...

Everyone and everything working together in a spirit of harmony, to realize a definite aim or purpose. Mastermind Alliance. Nothing more powerful.

So if one comes a knocking, don't take the "movie deal". Make one to yourself, with Louder Than Words, and then just keep on scaling up, and trying to get one or two, or even three or four steps ahead of the bell curve. That's what I suggest. It involves thinking twice, deciding once, and then acting three times, and then just one more than you promise.

Best,

SZ

more elaboration on the flight records and compensation funds plus the dosuments proving it.


and also the handeling of the events on that day by DOD and norad. and the defence secrataries knowledge of a plot by alquieda to blow up the towers two months prior. with the condi rice video to show her remittances.


plus where the hell was US defence that day and explain this strage phenomonon of the fact where the jets were that day. and NORAD having realtime access to air traffic control computers. but not calling jets.

Good call on the content suggestions. Indeed the next Loose Change could be made to be as tight as a drum, incontrovertible, and unassailable, and not even subject to ANY effective debunking, though LCSE has faired pretty well in that regard actually.

Some of the stuff here would make for a good contribution for Pentagon releated content..

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...?showtopic=3157

I would like to say that; during my enlistment in the military, I do know that the government loves to "lose", "misplace", and make paperwork [and other materialistic objects] disappear better than a magician. So be careful and in depth. I have also noticed [in my own small amount of research] that many people who have found a proving point to object the government's story, lose their jobs or have 'dirt' dug up on them pretty quickly. Moreover, since the release of many documentaries and 'conspiracy' videos, inquaries, and published articles; it is pretty certain that the most incriminating documentation involving the events of 9-11 is either 'gone' or under utter and complete lock-down. So what ever [documentation] that happens to be out there might come from a unsuspecting place. We have pretty much seen motive and past thoughts concerning the 'operation', but I think that in order for the public to understand and accept the thought, it would need 'the perpitrator' and the 'smoking gun' brought out into the spotlight, placed together, and alot of documentation to thus prove it. Even though the probability is slim; finding a person who viewed cetain events [such as the unloading of UA93] would prove to be astronomical.

Ever need any help or anything else; drop me an email @ mr_orange650@hotmail.com

IF the whole thing WERE done as a Trilogy, then you could fit in almost everything about 9/11 which is important, and make it tight as a drum, so as to stonewall any effective debunking attempts. It would be irrefutable, unassailable and incontrovertible. Plus it would do damn well in theaters and on DVD, exceedingly so I believe, each successive release building on the momentum of the last, with time in between for "digestion" and for the anticipated buildup for the next one.
These are exciting times.

Something big is coming down the pike btw, which is going to raise the roof on the truth movement in a very big way. Details to follow soon..
It will correspond with the upcoming Chicago event June 2nd, 2006, that's all I say right now about it.

OUTDOOR STREET SCREENINGS - for the best footage for Loose Change movies

With a laptop, an amp, speakers, and one of those high lumin count ditigal projectors (rent or buy), you could put on Street Screenings of Loose Change, and then capture the reactions to it live on the scene.

You could carry around a portable screen for the smaller impromtu screenings, to 10 or 20 people, but also have large opaque white sheets which can be placed on a large brick wall say (take small portable step ladders along).

This would come off really well especially in the upcoming Chicago and LA conferences, working the streets in this way..

In fact, there are so many good footage opportunities with something like this, that you would probably want to send out three teams into the City, with the aim of getting a really cool outdoor venue happening, with as many as 200-400 people attending for free.

Would that rock?

You could even have a segment showing Phil Jayhan doing his street presentation and winning everyone over every single time.

Finding out what the American people really think about 9/11, in that kind of context and setting, against the backdrop of "the event", would most certainly make for some very interesting footage!

No need for formal venues. Just a laptop, projector and speakers. That's it. And your camera of course.

That would be cool! [smoke]

Here is an idea for a kick ass super dramatic heart pounding ending for the new movie.



After nearly two hours of heart pounding revelations about 9/11, and some reminicent shots of firefighters, with Dylan's appeal to truth telling activism, the movie suddenly [goes to black]

Everyone wonders if they are finally getting the full relief they need..? [black only momentary]

Then, text setting the stage for the south tower 911eyewitness segment.

The water appears, across the river from the WTC, the towers smoking, Rick's radio on beside him, reporting...

Then, a BOOM?!!! WTF iS THAT?!!!

Water, sounds of reporting

a HUGE BOOM!!! ANOTHER ONE! a loud thunderous BOOM is heard, a smokecloud starts to rise from the base (briefly pointed out > get rid of those moving arrows and Rick's graphics from the original)

Silence, a series of them, together... BOMBS!

Then the building goes down amid a HUGE final thunderous boom, the tower going down, the excited REPORTING going on..

[as the credits roll], until the reporter is done reporting that the building has fallen...

[SUDDEN FADE TO BLACK]

And now, more credits rolling, as people sit stunned in their seats.
Black, with credits then [snaps to black], and then

Extras
The Loose Change Phenomenon

"In times of universal deceipt, telling the truth is a revolutionary act"
~ George Orwell

(provide an invitation if they so choose, to participate, in 20 minutes addittional footage - on the MAKING and dissemination to date, of the Loose Change 911 Movie and Phenomenon!)

They're too stunned in their seats to disagree, making of the entire experience a two hour twenty minute roller coaster ride! Taking them in, but most importantly THROUGH 9/11.

Then you run all the outer world stuff, making of the denoument, end of the tape "making of the movie Loose Change" the best damn documentary production ever, making it JUST AS GOOD as the movie itself!

Then, for the release, you rent out 10-12 theaters in New York City, for the September 11th, 5th Aniiversary - and record THAT, and everyone responses to it on the anniversary! Then immediately add this new footage to the release, at the very end, with a fade to black again..

and just the date

September 11th, 2006

Then the adiances, even shortly after September 11th, if you hold on a full manufacturing production, can see themselves, in essence, watching the movie watching the movie, through those being interviewed, upon their exit from seeing the release of Loose Change 911, in New York City, on the 5th Anniversary date, and that would make for some KICK ASS footage!, to end the movie, with an appeal in text on a blank screen.

Final appeal in text. [snap to black]

Loose Change 911
THE EXPERIENCE!

[smoke]

The best real life horror flick ever made, and that 911eyewitness experience at the end just nails it, and leaves them shakingly convinced that it's true, which it is!

Then, they get the much NEEDED relief, at the end, with the joyous making and sharing of Loose Change, the experience in evolution, like sunshine, shining throug the darkness...and those are the shots you've been producing.

I say terrify them with the revelations of the movie, and then enlighten them, on what they can do about it.

And there it is, the best anti-spyop truth bomb, ever made to date. Able to capture the widest possible audiance, without compromising one iota on the presentation of evidence, made tight as a drum, since it can be storyboarded across multiple releases of "Loose Change" (whatever).

You then create a "starburst" above your event, the entire release of the movie, with TV adds at the ready..

And do something unique, really unique, to bring the spotlight down on the release, like an international 9/11 poll or something like that..?

Then at the very VERY end [snap to black]

The Poll Results

[fade to black] Silence End

Perhaps leaving them, with a similar shot to Rick's eyewitness, pre-9/11, from across the river, with the sound of children playing, a seagal, boats going by, and the twin towers standing magestic over Manhatten.

What this states, without saying it directly, is "those buildings should still be there!"

And the people sit, some cry, as others begin to shuffle out of the theater..

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For the extra footage of the making and sharing of Loose Change
You could even adopt one person, with an extra camera, as some nameless third person (the audiance!) and literally walk through with them, flipping largely to THEIR perspective, through the 9/11 5th Anniversary Truth Rally @ Ground Zero - as well as include all the footage about the release in select New York theaters. Moving from the first person to the best capture of the multiple perspectives of all these wonderful people, reporting their experience from having just watched the movie, during the fifth anniversary "event" and, under the "Starburst" of the new international poll just released..

That's so self-referencial, I don't know how the audiance would not be thrilled with it, after what they just experienced having fully taken in the 2 hour show. They would stay, and they would thoroughly enjoy every minute of it, making of Loose Change 911, the most successful 9/11 movie to date.

P.S. This would have to be done with a certain tact however (minimal celebratory aspect when appropriate), in memorium of and respect to the victims and the victim's families.

At the rally, you'll get a lot of anti-war protestors as well.

Chicago, to LA, to New York City - the Omega Point historical moment for the 9/11 truth movement.

Loose Change 911
"The truth shall set you free"

also the canter fitzgerald connection should be included- seeing as more research is going into it we should have more concrete evidence soon.


also the convar data recovery and more elaboration on that- though they might withold evidence seeing as convar was bought out by a wall street conglomerate and assimilated as a security subsidary-


and also i think the LC crew should get hold of that guys rock from the other thread and have it tested....

A New York City Poll would be hot!

If you needed to save money, you could go just New York, but hotter still would be the voice of New York AND the whole watching WORLD, represented by say Canada, France, Germany, the UK, which would be considered representative of the Civilized world, and oh what a result you would get with the right questions.
1) Do you think there has been a US Government cover-up, surrounding the events of 9/11?
1) Do you believe that 9/11 was orchestrated, either in whole or in part, by elements within the US Government?

I call it "Operation Starburst". ;)

And regarding that south tower segment, from 911eyewitness. That appearing like that (the name, and Rick's name of course), right there center screen, with a major credit at the end - that would boost awareness (and sales) for 911Eyewitness, the DVD, and so therefore I am certain that an arrangement could be made with Rick - knowing him you'll have to piece him off some dough, but not a whole lot I don't think.

What a contribution to the film that would make. It would leave people just reeling, and it would change history as we know it, when it wins the Sundance Film Festival and then at Cannes, which it could very well, knowing Dylan and the boys.

Information is coming in indicating that the 9/11 truth movement is about to go mainstream media.

The timing, couldn't be better. And United 93 that piece of crap could not have been more helpful to our cause. And the Mussaoui trial also. Makes the government look suspicious, that he wasn't even involved in 9/11 in the first place!

It's unravelling for them real fast now, and I don't think anyone can stop it, now that it's been set into motion, through us! :blink:

Who said a couple thousand people could change the world?! Eh?

A Candid Face 2 Face interview with Charlie Sheen when in LA

http://www.americanscholarssymposium.org/

couldn't hurt none either. His ex-wifey thing is blowing over it would seem, and he's still got his hit TV show and everything, recent movie appearance.

Him and others like him. Maybe work him for a few referrals.

Getting in contact with him or any other celebrity is easy.

Celebrity Contact
http://www.contactanycelebrity.com/

Having him in it would be ok I think. More than ok.

So much possibility. So little time to 9/11 '06.

Either way, it's going to be amazing guys. We all can't wait and are so excited for you.

You'd be suprised how affordible a New York City 2 Question Poll would be btw. Unbelievably affordible! So much so in fact, that you might decide to run it right away. Just call Zogby International.

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The only other suggestion that I'd have at this stage would be to invest in the most comprehensive 9/11 library, particularly all the books that have been published. There are just SO many tidbits of unassailable incontrovertible facts contained in them that people know nothing about. Like "The Big Wedding"s research on the false flag 19 patsy aspect, how they were funded, their movements, etc.

Also the COVER UP.

If you can prove cover up, you prove complicity.

Remember Condi Rice's unwillingness to testify, and how Bush and Cheney testified to the 9/11 Commission.

The revelation about General Ahmed of the Pakistani ISI, and his meeting with Porter Goss and that senator on 9/11, and Ahmed's apparent involvement in the wiring of 100K to Atta.

I've even heard that there is an Atta/Abramoff connection, with Atta having a fun time on one of Abramoff's gambling boats (this needs corroboration).

Sibel Edmonds gag order - who has knowledge about 9/11 financing..

All these threads, and facts, wound together PROVE that there's been a cover-up.

Plus, you could take apart the 9/11 Omission Report, and talk about the appointment of the director Zelikov and how right out of the gate that was a conflict of interest. Then there was the attempted appointment of Kissenger (a brief history on that would be good).

Also, the fact that no formal inquiry was done for 411 days AFTER the event itself, which is unprecedented, historically for things such as this.

There's just SOOO much information to cover. That's why I say that the story can only be told in a trilogy of Loose Change movies, storyboarded right across all three, so that the whole thing is a continuous "weave" which holds together in an unbreakable chord.

Cheers!

[cheers]

Keep it coming. All great ideas. Initiative can come from anyone anywhere anytime. [cheers]

That's the key to a true Mastermind Alliance. Human minds, strung together, working in parallel, can unleash powerful forces of change, of historical transformation.

The stage really is now set, for Loose Change 911 the movie, to effectively write history as we know it. Hard to believe it's that big of a deal, but it really is.

Time will tell..

And for the now budding organization "Louder Than Words LLC" - hire the best and brightest, highly technically saavy and highly creative, College grads (same age group).

Then, with this next "bifurcation" of the sphere of the inner circle Mastermind Alliance, productivity output would then increase exponentially, and oh what a wonderful, history transforming endeavour and organization THAT would be, to be a part of eh?

And make sure, by doing references, that they are true workhorses, like Jason and Korey.

Then, as New York City 9/11, 2006 comes, with the new release..? Omega Point!

Persistent, continuous action and more action, extended within an environment of mutual HARMONY, is the key. If everything and everyone works together in resonant harmony, then there is simply no telling how far you could go, or how BIG this Loose Change phenomenon could get..

Big enough to fell the this dark shadowy American government, so that another 9/11 can be avoided? It's entirely possible..

Ruppert's "Crossing the Rubicon" is just filled with factual, well researched and documented public record evidence of inside job, along with some investigative work showing that one of those WAR GAMES, involved the use of LIVE FLY simulated hijacked aircraft to be flown (in sim) as missiles into landmark buildings.

In this regard, clips of the audio of Stanley Hilton's interview with Alex Jones would be spot on. Revelatory. Jones also has that segment with him holding up the copy of USA today outlining pre-planning, for the very thing that happened, and there's a clip of an NBC broadcaster talking about it also. That would be good to get.
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I also think it would be very dramatic, to open the movie, in silence, against black, with the Schopenhauer three stages of truth quote in the middle for a few moments of consideration, before it begins. And towards the end, like I posted above, you have the Orwell quote about "In times of universal deceipt, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" as a lead in to the post doc Doc about the making and sharing of LC.

Just some thoughts..

and think of it instead, as a for-theater level production, as the very first Loose Change high end production for mass consumption,

I completely agree. Just keep pumping out versions (LC3, LC4) until you get to a theater-quality release. At that point, you have the goods, one phone call to Miramax might take care of the rest. The current movie is only 84 minutes long, it could easily be extended to 1:45 or even 2hrs+ without becoming a "trilogy."

I think the manhattan walkaround at the end is weak. That latino chick forgot about her husband the moment a couple of white boys (you) started talking to her.

Agreed, only the very best footage, and get lots of interviews from the two main 9/11 truth conferences coming up. That's hot looking footage. Take the audiance along as an unnamed third person, both to those two events, and the 9/11 fifth anniversary event in NYC, with a new Zogby poll, and the release in select New York Theaters, where you can capture everyone's impressions, and then immediately plug THAT into the release, for extra footage at the end.

Easily 2 hours, your right about that too.

2 hours is perfect. no more, no less.

maybe an extra 5 minutes at the very end, for credits, and to allow people to begin to regain their composure, after the worldview assaulting real life horror flik, the best of its kind ever.

Loose Change 911
LC In Search of Truth
LC Revolution

And each of the three movies would link directly into the other, so that it could become a six hour history altering, shock and awe, revelations.

It should be just packed ever so tightly, with each item being tight as a drum, and you string enough of those together and whoa! Look out!

It's going to be a big time hit, that's for certain!

New Information I think, from all the books and videos on 911 done to date.

Take all the very best stuff, get it in and chunk it down, and link it up. Keep storyboarding as you go increasingly adding higher and higher quality production.

You guys can do it. We've got tons of faith in you.

Very ARE very exciting though, about it, about this next release.

Regards,

SZ

how a ya guys.
your doing a great job picking away at the officail story, so keep up the good work.
i'd like to make a few suggestions for the next installment. if there is surely ONE thing that could bring this whole scam down is to interview the suppossed hi-jackers, or at least show firm evidance that at least one of these guys is ALIVE. (this is of course if you believe the bbc and other reputable british sources). from an irishmans perspective looking at these discussions from the outside, in ireland i find it strange how you argue the finer points and perhaps loosing track of the overall message

for the officail story to work, you have to have 19 hi-jackers, hi-jacking 4 planes and doing various things with them.

United 93 is a terrible film. it left me with the impression that dehumanised muslims and gave me absolutly no reason why they did it. yet this is the film that will mould the majority of the world consciouness.

it can be a long and ardious procedure doing fact checking. as noam chomsky says : "facts matter". surely the hi-jackers side of things is enough evidance. is it not?

the pentagon angle is what got me interested in this horrible, horrible debacle. from a psychological point of view (im going into my final year), could i suggest that you minimize the memory overload of your viewers. it can be difficult to maintain one's concentration. when i showed LC to my dad, he agreed with it, if the allegations could be proven. i urge you guys to look at psychological theorys of persuasion, espessially the theory of central Vs peripheral routes to persuasion. fascinating stuff.

finally, to try to be critical and side with the nay-sayers for a moment. i find it hard to believe that it was a missile that hit the building. i know you don't have the answers but where are the familes and people on the plane and what are they saying.

its weak, i know. but anyway keep up the good work [salute]

[worthy]

Absolutely!

Honestly, LC3 will be great if we DONT include:
Anything associated with the pod theory (not to say i dont believe it it is just a little dubious)
No fatty Osama
Do a little more research on Flight 93-The no crash theory needs a little more evidence for awesomeness

South tower plane as a remotely piloted military drone is a must, and must include pod and everything else about it, proving it was not 175. Zack's wrong.

I'm new here and I haven't had much time to think here but I'll throw in a few ideas that just popped into my head. I'll come back to add if need be.

I'd like to see more focus on the proven facts more so than the speculation.

Operation Northwoods was a great starting point as it is a government document. I'd like to see them expand that...

Prior History:
-Operation Northwoods
-Viet Nam (The faked bombing of Navy Ships)
-1993 WTC (Testimony from the Egyptian Officer recruited by FBI that testified FBI was responsible for the operation)
-1995 Oklahoma (News footage of the fact they found other bombs in the building and therefore the Ryder truck wasn't the "Magic Bullet Theory" they wanted it to be)

I can go on and keep adding more but I'm sure you get the picture...You can find TONS of evidence of government sponsored terrorism.

Similarities:
Show the similarites to the other terror attacks in the fact they were running drills at the same time as the London Bombings just like on 9/11. I believe the same can be said for Oklahoma and I'm sure if researched could be found to be the case elsewhere.

Witnesses:
William Rodriguez I'm sure would jump at the chance to help you out. I saw one video of a lady full of dust that said she was up in the tower and saw the shadow of the plane and then BOOM it hit. Then when she got to the lobby BOOM another explosion in the lobby. Witnesses play a HUGE part in a trial and same goes here. I read a transcript of an interview where a employee in WTC said he saw numerous strange workers with toolboxes etc. These interviews are critical to the demolition theory.

WHY? - Cui Bono?
You talked about Silverstein and the Put options. EXCELLENT POINTS!!! Expand slightly to include how much money has been directed into their "War on Terror" plans and who's connected to the companies that benefited.

Other Evidence off the top of my head:
-Pensacola, Florida US Navy Base connection and the instructor who remained at the base after 9/11, who happened to have the same name as two hijackers, suddenly died in a mysterious plane crash.
- Presidential Directive W-199-I which blocked the FBI.

Sorry..I'll have to come back with more. As I said I'm new here and this is my first post.

THANKS TO ALL WHO SPREAD THE TRUTH!

Kind of trivial but I think Angels and Airwaves music should be used in the Final Cut. Possibly "Distraction" where the lyrics "The planes flew in. Their bombs did too. (which I heard is a reference to 9/11). Also, it would be amazing if you could get a small interview with Tom Delonge in their too because he is apart of the 9/11 truth movement.

Yes, in preparation for the LA Truth Conference, line up some celebrity interviews, including Tom DeLonge and Charlie Sheen, and others (work referrals from Sheen). Ed Asner comes to mind. That would make for a Big Time Cool addition eh?

This is the most accurate source that I've been able to find for getting in contact with any celebrity.

http://www.contactanycelebrity.com/

I'd say get three of them on the record. Sheen, Asner, and one other major one.

I'd also have a major segment called "The False Falg Cover" so as to reconcile the LIHOP aspects, as cover, with the final MIHOP reality. There's a certain disconnect there that needs a proper connection. No full and complete 9/11 truth presentation will be complete without that. It will appear too "incongruent" without that linkage, because there WERE hijackers in the country, and they did in fact have SOMETHING to do with it. I'm thinking of Hick's "The Big Wedding" and the "match call" revelation that so pissed off Dick Cheney when it leaked out. You get the picture.

"You're a kid, you don't know what you're talking about, I'll keep coming back to reign terror upon you etc."

Just trying to get a feel for how you post.

Im new to this forum. Loose change 2nd Edition was fantastic.

I just wanted to add my 1 cent to improve the next edition.

(1)-The most common question I get when I tell about 9-11 being an inside job is -
There must have been so many ppl invovled, where r they & how can they be quiet for so long.
I dont know the real reason but Im guessing they r paid/ or on a gag order or something. And about the so many ppl being involved Im guessing - the operatives were being told that its a terror drill exercise & only a few know the actual event. I dont know.

(2)-Some strong points which can be included & were missed in LC2E
WTC7 videos (may be 3- 4 videos) could be shown - I get some ppl saying 'pull it' term was meant to pull the firefighters. Even if we ignore that fact- the point that few fires & assymetrical damage wouldnt bring about a symmetrical collapse is very strong.
Also the point that debris from WTC-1 & 2 fell directly on top of WTC5 & 6 & had more fires & debris damage than WTC -7- is also a good point


(3) Norman Mineta's testimony to the 9/11 Commission - is very strong-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7Vs7KNlpXU

The main point here being why didnt the 9-11 commission report mention about this . And the fatc that he resigned the day after Kevin Barrett (? or someone) talked about it on Fox news.
Shows govt is trying to cover up something

(4) pentagon -Killtowns`thread on 'Why didnt they use the real flight 757 to hit the pentagon ' is too good. He points out many conicidences & logical explanations.

(5) The 1st time i saw loose change I didnt know what War game exercises were. Im assuming the common man doesnt know about it. May be a sentence of what it meant would help. Also the point that there were war game exercies on 7/7 of the exact same kind is very very good reinforcement.

(6) Reference or the source of the claim would be a good idea.For example LC says FEMA was not allowed on ground zero- But some debunking sites say FEMA was allowed & that we r lying. A good solid source would be good (may be at the end of the video or ref. at the bottom of the video r somewhere)

(7) R there more videos of explosive sounds? - cus So far Iv seen (heard explosions) in only may be 2 videos

This is one of them - U can hear many explosions in the 1st 6 minutes of the video (courtesy -rick siegel)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3...=911+Eyewitness

Inclusion of the explosions part of the video & the fact that there was smoke (as seen in the video) from the bottom of the WTC before any building collapsed is very very strong. Althoug LC mentions it -I dint catch the point that the lobby glass was broken mintues after the plane crashed on top & before any of the of the buildings collapsed.


(8) fire fighter saying bomb in building start clearing out -is strong

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4574366633014832928

(9) This - squibs video - pretty strong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7BnTaWMyoc...ch=squibs%20wtc

Thanks

Hey all!! AWESOME video btw, I just saw Loose Change for the first time yesterday. Really twists your head...
I've been supportive of Bush, & the Republican party for years, but someone had me watch Alex Jones' "Martial Law" video, which at first I thought was complete BS, till he stopped ranting and started making sense, presenting facts and documented evidence, etc.. That was about a month ago. Things have been quite different since then, lets say ;)

I think the #1 most important thing for the next incarnation of this film would be to clean up the inaccuracies and issues that naysayers can use against it. This builds HUGE credibility to what the film is saying - which is the whole point.

An awesome constructive critique of the ENTIRE film can be found here:

http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/index.html

They pick the whole thing apart word by word even. Much praise and also recommendations to be found there.
I highly recommend the producers of LC read the entire thing and take heed what is said. :D

I originally posted this in the research new topics and got no comment. It surprizes me. Both of these ideas could reveal evidence you could take to court.
Two suggested topics:
1) Other than the NIST reports explaination in summary, no release of investigation data, of what brought down the towers upon their examination of the beams, has anyone with the balls enough to imagine demolition might be the cause done a forensic analysis on the central core beams for evidence of explosive granular penetration? As in all things reported by any part of the government that leave room for doubt, the analysis of the data must be reviewed independently. What's to stop someone in the vacinity of the hangar at JFK airport from doing a thorough forensic analysis on the tons of beams stored there? My questioning all things government is based more on the human nature of avoiding even suspecting the worst possible exploitation of oneself by your last refuge for succor, so that any thing smacking of that horror is shoved down immediately and mixed in with the bile of the grief, than based on any intuition that a vast network of conspirators have falsified things under orders from the idiot son in the capitol of the United Stetsons. It only takes one person to misdirect a crew of investigators without their knowledge. It only takes one person with questions of his own to find out for themself.

2) Just a hunch that, if some of the clean up crew in the weeks after the collapse were to be interviewed by 911 truth seekers in their neighborhood, there may emerge a whole new proof of explosions versus collapse. I don't know what oaths they had to take to get the job or if they did at all, but I have learned they are really pissed at the betrayal of the government all the way from FEMAs inconsiderate, hurriedly declaring the area safe to the total contempt with which the government five years on continues to regard their pleas for medical assistance for the asbestosis and related diseases which may end up killing three times more people than the tragedy itself. If any one group other than the fire department since 9/11/01 have reached the capability to suspect the government of the worst and who can recall evidences which were unexplainable to them without an inside job as a possibility, it is these people.