http://911physics.atspace.com/Pages/Debunking911Myths.htm

Yes I know this has already been posted in another thread, but hell.
I need some help people!

I need suggestions on how to improve what I have done, and I need someone to do the Standdown section, because that is something I don't know much about. And I don't have time to research it.

I will probably get round to doing the Bin Laden section on Friday, as well as debunking some of the other things Mike has supposedly debunked.

Excellent. I will check it out tomorrow.

Hey everyone [crylol]

If you could check out Chris's draft and offer him any advice or feedback, we could get this out sooner rather than later.... and just point them there... [rock]

http://911physics.atspace.com/Pages/Debunking911Myths.htm

It saves us both re-inventing the wheel and we can share the load and cover the angles !!!

Your assistance would be greatly appreciated [worthy]

LondonEye
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**** Please make sure this thread stays ON TOPIC ****

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The standdown will be the hardest to do...
I will go through some more stuff now, and post what I have added.

EDIT: I have added a Bin Laden section.

Looks goods to me

Chris_Morganti did you spend some time on the debate politics forum with their mega 911 thread??

LondonEye spent some time debunking the crap I was cut and pasting from 911myths and debunking 911 conspiracy theory sites in the Bows, Trusses And Sagging Floors thread.

To me best evidence of explosives is the 100 microns big powder (a micron (µm) is a millionth of a meter, so 100 microns is a tenth or 0.1 millimeters).

Gravel is a particle larger than 4.75mm
Sand is a particle larger then 0.75mm
Dust, slit or clay is a particle smaller then 0.75mm

Basically the buildings turned into dust particles smaller than sand and short bits of steel. The dust also contained more than concrete including office furniture and building fittings as well as any people still inside the buildings.

http://www.ehponline.org/members/200...lioy-full.html


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These three samples were composed primarily of construction materials, soot, paint (leaded and unleaded), and glass fibers (mineral wool and fiberglass). Levels of hydrocarbons indicated unburned or partially burned jet fuel, plastic, cellulose, and other materials that were ignited by the fire. In morphologic analyses we found that a majority of the mass was fibrous and composed of many types of fibers (e.g., mineral wool, fiberglass, asbestos, wood, paper, and cotton). The particles were separated into size classifications by gravimetric and aerodynamic methods. Material < 2.5 µm in aerodynamic diameter was 0.88-1.98% of the total mass. The largest mass concentrations were > 53 µm in diameter.


Given the complete lack of observable macroscopic slabs of concrete at ground zero, or desks, or chairs or anything really except dust and bits of steel I would estimate that over 70% of the non-steel content of the buildings was pulverized. The pulverized dust expanded away from the towers at about 25Mph in blast of hot air producing a phenomena known as a pyroclastic cloud.

I suppose of top of this it should be noted that clouds of dust started ejecting horizontally out of the building after only the first few floors had collapsed. So assuming gravitional collapse this means that the concrete, desks and fittings were turning into tiny small particles after falling only 8 meters or so. I live on the third floor of an apartment block. If I drop my computer, desk, light fitting or perhaps the sandstone coffee table out of the window they will probably smash to pieces but not pulverize into dust particles smaller than sand.

In essence only explosives have the ability to cause the dust and ptroclastic cloud.

Periodically on this site only I will play disinformation agent to keep ya all sharp, good luck making a difference guys, after 3 years of fighting against the government story I am afraid I have become tired.

I hope we did not disappoint you didga [salute]

LondonEye
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*** Added : Yeah, see : http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...?showtopic=2957

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Just having fun LondonEye, I really was playing nice though

What is surprising is how good a job of muddying the waters the 911 disinformation team (the real CIA backed guys) can do. Unfortunatey the two mentioned sites will thurn around anyone that wants to believe inside that 911 was not an inside job. I believe that a large proportion of the 911 truth movement is are actually disinformation agents.

Mike Ruppet, will not discuss the towers demolition and always tacks on peak oil to any discussion.

Morgan Reynolds and Jeff King (the web fairy) are hologram or blue screen "no plane" supporters.

Rense and David Icke mix in UFO, crop circles and reptile illuminati with true 911 information.

Joe Vialls was an obvious zionist disinfo guy

Greg Szymanski will say it was the black pope

These guys are all liars and working for the bad guys

Some say Alex Jones will not touch zionism as he is married to a Jew, operation scapegoat Bush

Prof. Steven Jones cannot explain how thermite can survive serious fires and pulverise concrete to dust.

Eric Hufschmid is pretty damn good but his voice is lost in all this web of disinformation. The government story obviously has huge holes but so does the conspiracy theory, although is makes more sense.

I also have unanwsered questions about how the towers were demolished.

I need information on Controlled Demolition Incorporated’s implosion capabilities and DREXS (Directional Remote Explosive Severance) System.

what tpye of explosive does it use? RDX, thermite both, something different. How does DREXS produce directional cuts, what is the remote trigger etc. Can you make a DREXS charge survive a fire and then produce a directional cut to cause the south tower to tilt?

I need answers to this questions

Anyways I'm off camping for fun. Got me a cast iron tripod, 4 Ltrs of kerosene, a bag of coal and some firewood. If I can keep a constant flame (coals are only 300C) on my stainless steel billy it should obtain 900C and it will start to glow red. Fire is pretty damaging but cannot pulverise anything to dust

Must admit... Now you've come clean you are quite a clued up chap...

I tend to share your sentiments, very closely.... spooky...

Can't comment on Vialls as I don't read his stuff and I do like Alex Jones..

With regards to :

Sorry, me can't help with that one.. sure there's stuff out there... to me, all you really need to know is that it exists, and they do because you've seen many demo's on steel buildings... i.e. CDI stuff.

Check http://www.implosionworld.com/cinema.htm

* Bottom row, 3rd thumbnail in (from left)... "Southwark Towers" - What does that remind you of... Done by..... CDI

Horses for courses here... The thermite did the eating away in the corners (esp the S Tower), the initial corner collapses caused the top to tilt-over (towards WTC4), this was the cue for the directional charges in the cores and key outer columns completing the demolition, I think most of the RDX was in the core, maybe stuff also in stopped lifts... If you could see the blueprints, you'll probably see key points on the diagrams marked for placing demolition charges, as far as I know, demolition considerations are key part of a skyscrapers design plan.

There were also many incendairy devices also, probaly thermite based or similar....

I'm in the belief that those planes were laser and sattelite guided to within a few feet of where they were aiming... it was precision... just like a smart missile going through a doorway !!! This makes the placement a bit more strategic and the fire was not that bad really... plus they started the initial demo several floors below the impact point... easy really.

Have fun dude

LondonEye
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If you don't mind, I can add to this. Prof. Jones has a couple of other credibility problems. He is very involved in the whole Cold Fusion fiasco at BYU, and he has published about how there is evidence that Jesus came to America after he rose from the grave.

There's also Karl W.B. Schwarz, quoted in the LC videos (about what kind of engine the Pentagon part came from), who has serious credibility problems in that he claims to be owner of giant nanotech companies which appear, with a little digging, not to exist at all.

Just one more bit about the RDX...

Less than two months before 9/11, CDI demolished two 400ft steel fuel storage towers in NY.

Imagine if they massively over bought the amount required... If you watch their demo vid (on loose change also) you can see they just topple over...

I cannot be certain, but to me this would have been a perfect opportunity to load up with needed goods for the WTC job.

All the best

LondonEye
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Just another coincidence LE... this kind of random, unnecessary demolition happens all the time.

:rolleyes:

I've come to a lot of the same conclusions, regarding the Pentagon, for example, I believe that it was hit by a 757 but that during the "rebuild" they used more than balst resistant windowa, if you catch my drift and THAT'S the reason they can't show the security tapes.

Just a guess, though.

I always liked Vialls coverage as it gave you a lot of very good information along with the misdirection, but then they all do, don't they?

Have fun camping.

As the starter of the original Debunking 9/11 myths thread, I think I can speak for everyone when i say Fantastic Site/ Debunkment ChrisMorganti!!!

That site is used as a gospel by the sheeple...by taking it down we eliminate the credibility of one of their main sources!!! [salute]

Good points, good points. Most need to be refined just a tad and you should include a section at the end for all the still unanswered questions about 9/11.

Fantastic first draft! [salute]

Regards

Pasqualle [thumbsup]

If Jones is a disinformation agent, he is pretty much the worst one I can think of.

His humble mormon demeanor and Physics cred have turned 1000's of people onto a search for 9/11 truth.

Funny, I've heard Dylan and Korey called "disinfo" plants before. When you get things wrong, or are too much in love with a particular theory, it means just that, no more, no less.

Well I need your help then? What do you suggest I improve.

Jeff King is a no plane supporter?

I find it funny that your counter attacks are mostly just questions and have next to no links or evidence to back up your claims (except the Pentagon one) while the website you are trying to debunk has plenty to back up it's statements.

Well basically all Mike has done is provide "could of happened scenarios" that are just unrealistic and being pushed by cheer leaders of the official story.
Nothing I have said is incorrect. And if it is, it's up to one of you skeptics to prove it.

I think that's still no excuse for not releasing videotapes.

Jeff King runs plague puppy, not web fairy. I have never heard him mention support of no planes. In fact, in my interview with him he pretty much states that he thinks the no-plane stuff is silly. Sources?

Really? Do you have evidence or does just saying it make it so?

Whatever...He talks about Zionism all the time and goes on and on about how Bush is a mere puppet. Talk about disinfo.

Icke really has some interestiong perspectives.. i'd recommend anyone to watch this video. Ok the reptilian stuff seems a bit silly, but otherwise his ideas make a consistent picture with, for example, Mike Ruppert's lecture. Whereas Mike goes into how, who and when, Icke gives more of a deeper background story which explains where all this stuff comes from.. it's utterly fascinating really, especially when he gets into the masonic history and it's symbology, which is all around us if have the (all-seeing) eye to see it ;)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=87...&q=icke&pl=true

Enjoy!

Honestly, I think that the whole Zion and Freemasonry conspiracy thing is what labels us as crazy conspiracy theorists. Considering that is all complete speculation and not based on fact, let's leave em out of here.

Basically, you offer poignant questions to which the government is not able to answer. It's fantastic, but you should basically list the questions you ask in a sort of Conclusions or recap section so as to provide an ending as well as a summary for so many of the sheeple whose time is much too valuable.

Keep it up!

Pasqualle [salute]

It isn't.

Zionists were involved in 9/11.

Zionists were involved in 9/11.

Can you elaborate? Show evidence? This is an aspect of the Truth movement I have yet to investigate.

Thanks

Pasqualle [thumbsup]

Freemasonry exists, the Illuminati exists, and so does Zionism and they are all involved in some way. However, if you want to reach a broad audience you CANNOT talk about those things as your main message because you will generally be dismissed as crazy and you don't have the kind of evidence it would take to prove those links to them yet. One thing at a time. I think Dylan, Korey and Jason were right on in their call with Eric...you have to focus on one thing at a time if you are trying to reach the masses.

Talking about Zionist conspiracy, and especially using the term "Jews" is automatically going to make the vast majority of people not listen to what you have to say after that. Anyway, it's more of a New World Order conspiracy that isn't necessarily centered around one belief or ethnicity...it's about the money. Still, to reach a really big audience about 9/11 you can only talk about 9/11 and PNAC and these things, not directly about the New World Order even though it is real.

I completely agree with you. I think the we need a strategy to spread the truth and I think it is easier and more comfortable to talk about the more recent 9/11 inside job that the broader NWO.

We need like a step by step strategy where we introduce 9/11, then go into other events linked to it, such as PNAC, Operation Northwoods, etc, then lead into why they are doing this, NWO, etc. But all of this is probably gonna take days and months.

http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Docum...tageISIatta.htm

  I believe that most of the dirty work of 911 was a hire out. Was the Mossad involved? Yes. I believe that the ISI and Pakistan might have been the most involved. The ISI has been the front stooge for our covert intel operations for decades. Do a search on "911-ISI-Pakistan", plenty to read up on.

  The whole event more than likely involved less than 50 people total. 2 or 3 in the White House, Pentagon, State Dept., Dept of Justice, and the CIA. Then the rest was foreign operatives.

  MJ

Hey all [salute]

Great job on the discussion...

I like the way that WingTV have approached it...

Which is that "no names, creed or religion" are actually mentioned... they are just "participants", it removes any controversey from dealing with the facts...

They have a great book... 9/11 on Trial

I recently heard their broadcast on a major New York radio station "Lionel Show: WOR March 31", the host is a lawyer and went through it like a court case, I thought it was EXCELLENT, Lionel was amazed just how damning the whole affair is...

If you have a few hours free "ear time" - I highly recommend that you listen to this...

http://911underground.com/2006-03-31_Lione...isa_Guliani.MP3 (just under 3hrs - if it runs short just right click "save as" and listen direct from ya HDD)

Alt Link : http://loosechange.markblu.net/wor-mar31-06.mp3


I reckon listing any ethnic or religious group is probably not a good idea at this time.

Just my humble opinion...

All the very best

LondonEye
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That book by Victor Thorn was heartily recommended by Ed Asner on the Stephanie Miller Show.

http://www.stephaniemiller.com/bits/2006_0414_ed.mp3

http://www.stephaniemiller.com/content/view/439/71/

Right now, I'm enjoying the archive of the Lionel Show. [thumbsup]

Asner also endorsed Jim Hoffman's dvd on the controlled demolition. He's saying it without saying it. He knows.

Any updates on the debunking?

Pasqualle

Yes, I am probably going to do more over the next couple of days.

I was wondering on 7/7 those drills, were they ever run before 7/7? If so how many times.