Title: A 757 Does Not Fit
Description: Photographic analysis and Irregularities
Description: Photographic analysis and Irregularities
Merc - May 15, 2006 09:16 PM (GMT)
This, I hope, will be a great resource center for you guys. I have not found one person who can debunk this presentation that I've compiled. This is NOT about WHAT HIT the Pentagon. It's about WHAT DIDN'T hit the pentagon. It's about the official story and investigative party's conclusions being incorrect or contradicting itself. Or eyewitnesses who provide clues , but also contradictions. Much research is left to be done on what happed immediately around Rt 27 directly parallel to the Pentagon's breached wall. Let this serve as a photo source for you guys or a great presentation to use on other forums as it near definitively proves a 757 DID NOT hit the Pentagon. On the ST911 members only forum. I have recieved a positive response from Professor Steven Jones on this 'data and slides' presentation, which is what encouraged me to want to provide it here. Following my piece will be photos put together from letsroll members like myself and "O & A mind virus". (Sorry I had to turn the images to links because there was too many of them)
Here's the Problem:
Here's the Problem:
| QUOTE |
| A Boeing 757 is a 13ft wide, 155 ft long cylinder with a tail fin that extends 45 ft into the air. Add to that the fact that there are two 6 ton steel engines attached under each wing about 6 feet to each side of the cylinder body. The wings extend out on each side for 50ft + making for a total aircraft width of 125 feet, a total length of 155 ft and a maximum height of 45 ft. |
| QUOTE |
| "Wilbert": Let's look at some relevant dimensions of the Pentagon and a 757 first, before looking at the damage of the Pentagon. 1) The relevant dimensions of various parts of the Pentagon can be found in the asce report: figure 2.9: height floor 1: 14.1 feet height floor 2: 12.5 feet figure 7.6: distance between two columns: 10 feet 2) The relevant dimensions of a 757-200 can be found on page 13 in the '757 characteristics' report:   diameter engine: 8 feet width fuselage: 12 feet height fuselage: 13 feet distance between the center of the fuselage to center of the engines: 21 feet span 757-200: 124 feet Note that the fuselage lines with the center points of the engines. This means that the total height of the fuselage and engines is 4 + 13 = 17 feet. The plane entered the Pentagon under an angle of 45 degrees, thus the effective horizontal lengths become length_eff = length/cos(pi*45/180) effective diameter engine: 11 feet effective width fuselage: 17 feet effective distance between the center of the fuselage to center of the engines: 30 feet effective span 757-200: 176 feet |
In this Purdue animation, they had to take the ENGINES OFF, in order for it to fit...
http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh/simulat...10sep02slow.gif
Here, they had to place the engines ON the ground in order for it to make sense and it still doesn't account for the trailer, cable spools, two cars, and a tree which it supposedly cleared.....
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/merc_mercy_/sozen.jpg
Meanwhile, the surveillance video, faked or not, contradicts the entire investigative body's assertions about the entire plane entering...
IN THIS SURVEILLANCE VIDEO IT IS CLEAR THAT THE TAIL IS *EJECTED OVER THE FIRST RING*:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...tailandbody.jpg
Let's take a look at the alleged approach...
| QUOTE |
| Probst took a sidewalk alongside Route 27, which runs near the Pentagon's western face. Traffic was at a standstill because of a road accident. Then, at about 9:35 a.m., he saw the airliner in the cloudless September sky. American Airlines Flight 77 approached from the west, coming in low over the nearby five-story Navy Annex on a hill overlooking the Pentagon. [...] On either side of him, three streetlights had been sheared in half by the airliner's wings at 12 to 15 feet above the ground. An engine had clipped the antenna off a Jeep Grand Cherokee stalled in traffic not far away. http://www.militarycity.com/sept11/fortress1.html |
This is IMPOSSIBLE. There is absolutely NO WAY the wings could have hit the light poles on Rt 27, while MISSING the overhead sign and VDOT pole, and then clip a Jeep Grand Cherokee's antenna with it's engine. At 12-15 ft above Rt 27. It is pretty tough to hit the light poles, but miss the overhead sign and VDOT pole.
Here is a (maybe *THE*) Jeep Grand Cherokee on Rt 27...
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/2.jpg
So this guy claims it was 12-15 ft above Rt 27, which is right next to the Pentagon. And is a lie.
Lee Evey...
| QUOTE |
| "The plane approached the Pentagon about six feet off the ground, clipping a light pole, a car antenna, a construction trailer and an emergency generator before slicing into the building, said Lee Evey, the manager of the Pentagon's ongoing billion-dollar renovation." |
So "six feet" above the ground is what he claims the plane came in at. This can only refer to the height above the lawn. Because it is IMPOSSIBLE to hit the light pole and the antenna and be "six feet off the ground".
Six feet?...
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...entanimxox1.gif
I find that the height of 6 ft makes it impossible to hit the Pentagon and fit inside with no wreckage on the outside...
Side view of the trailer
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...rcy_/pent-2.jpg
The trailer...
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/merc_mercy_/081.jpg
This is being generous...
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...n_fen_no757.jpg
BUT HOW CAN THE PLANE DROP NEARLY 10 FT IN A MATTER OF MILLISECONDS, from Rt 27 to the generator.
Back to the height of the craft.
It also had to clear spools of cable...
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...y_/sideview.gif
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mer...spools_B757.jpg
And a tree (stump)
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/merc_mercy_/072.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...mp_fireball.jpg
And two cars that it didn't touch...
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...rcy_/sept11.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...cy_/133_285.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer..._/080-large.jpg
This supposed 757 was going 350mph, or 506 feet per second conservatively. According to the 911 Commission report, it was going 500 mph. How is this pilot able to bring the plane low enough to enter the ground floor, but high enough to hit the generator and all other HIGHER obstacles as well? How can he correct the height in less than a second without touching the grass??? Especially when eyewitness reports and the supposed surveillance video shows it coming in STRAIGHT, NOT ON A DESCENT, LOW and FAST.
Let's now turn to the wings and engines...
THE RIGHT WING/ENGINE
This is probably one of the most damaging aspects of the Pentagon situation.
Reports had the right wing tilted up in order to supposedly accomodate this generator trailer.
| QUOTE |
| "Where the plane came in was really at the CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE," says Jack Singleton, president of Singleton Electric Co. Inc., Gaithersburg MD, the Wedge One electrical subcontractor. "The plane's left wing actually came in near the ground and the right wing was tilted up in the air. That right wing went directly over our trailer, so if that wing had not tilted up, it would have hit the trailer. My foreman, Mickey Bell, had just walked out of the trailer and was walking toward the construction entrance." http://www.designbuildmag.com/oct2001/pentagon1001.asp Another witness: The right engine hit high, the left engine hit low," Sepulveda said. "For a brief moment, you could see the body of the plane sticking out from the side of the building. Then a ball of fire came from behind it." http://www.jimroche.com/pentagon_hero.htm |
The only problem is, there is NO entrance for the wings OR the engine. It only shows damage of BLOWN *OUT* limestone facade columns. Meanwhile they want you to believe a 767 and it's wings and engine can slice through structural steel at the WTC, but NOT 2 feet of concrete, brick, limestone, and a kevlar cloth...
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer..._/106-large.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...engine_fit2.jpg
BLOWN *OUT* limestone facade columns, no entrance hole:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer..._/074-large.jpg
A more defined shot:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mer...-foam-small.jpg
Remember this, is *supposed to be* damage from the 44,000 lb tilted right wing of a 757...
Note how the damage is localized, the "wing" damage has no continuity(red circle), It is confined in between columns 18 and 19. With Damage in beween 19 and 20, And 21 (Floor 2):
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mer...foam-small2.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...t-wing-gash.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...right-1-big.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...-wing-gash2.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer.../pentagon15.jpg
AGAIN, THIS WOULD ADD MORE PROBLEMS TO THE HEIGHT OF THE THIS SUPPOSED 757'S ATTACK PATH. Only placing the wing a few feet above the first floor window, but leaving no engine or wing behind as the engine would have hit the generator and or the wall and either entered or been left behind on the outside of the building. This also contradicts the supposed LEFT WING BURN/IMPACT MARK. But we'll get to that in a minute.
LEFT WING/ENGINE
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...sideoutline.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/merc_mercy_/10.jpg
This is one is a little trickier. This is proably what the right side SHOULD HAVE looked like. But maybe the explosives didn't go off as planned. Clearly you can see columns still intact...
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...agon_347626.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...-66641853-1.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...agonDamage4.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...sn010914-12.jpg
Here's something you don't see everyday. Directly under the left engine/wing impact area. Straight out to the right from where the photographer is standing you would probably end up where the burning cars were. Note column 9A I believe, still intact...
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer..._/100-large.jpg
Now note the burn/impact mark from the supposed left wing...
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/merc_mercy_/3-8.jpg
IT IS PERFECTLY LEVEL!!! Completely contradicts the tilting of the right wing!
Again they want you to not only believe that an entire 757 fit UNER THE FIRST FLOOR. They want you to believe wings and an engine fit under this first floor...
The engine, RB211:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/merc_mercy_/73.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...211535e45tl.jpg
And the wing..
Into and under this:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mercury2/4548.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...agon-flag02.jpg
(Note the level burn mark from the supposed wing)
Under this:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...Windowering.jpg
A 8-9ft engine diameter, coming in at 6 ft above the ground. Tilting in milliseconds, enters into a 12-14.1 (there appears to be a slight grade) ft first floor section while missing a Jeep Grand Cherokee, and several columns. All while the wing absolutely does not fit, and the wall does not show signs of being hit by a 44,000 lb wing section...
| QUOTE |
| American Society of Civil Engineers According to Boeing engineers, the weight in each wing was composed of the following: Exposed wing structure: 13,500 lb Engine and struts: 11,900 lb Landing gear: 3,800 lb Fuel: 14,600 lb Total: 43,800 lb |
| QUOTE |
| Now, add to that the fact that the plane also includes those two bothersome 6 TON engines, AND a tail fin that protrudes 25 feet above the top of the cylinder body making for a total aircraft height of just less than 40 feet with wheels up. |
| QUOTE |
| "The height of the damage to the facade of the building was much less than the height of the aircraft’s tail. At approximately 45 ft, the tail height was nearly as tall as the first four floors of the building. Obvious visible damage extended *only* over the lowest two floors, to approximately 25 ft above grade." http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/merc_mercy_/close.jpg |
The tail section/vertical stabilizer/rudder is the center of this issue. It should have hit the upper floors according to the official story. And even enters the building according to Purdue, ASCE, and others.
What does Joe Hryczyk the FAA licensed A & P Mechanic who surveyed plane crashes for the military (who also provided the technical data to the members of the US Senate and US Congressional sub-committees on Aviation with respect to 'radio-controlling/flying' Boeing 7x7's from the ground via satellite hook up) have to say about that huge tail section (vertical stabilizer/rudder) and more:
| QUOTE |
| "I wanna know where there are sections of the engine's WING SPARS...and WING SPARS aren't flimsy pieces of SHEET METAL! Wing spars are designed to take 2+ times the MAX GROSS WEIGHT of an aircraft! I wanna know where the sections/pieces of the HUGE VERTICAL STABILIZER-RUDDER are to be found!" |
Tail Sections are not flimsy by any means...they usually survive crashes.
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mercury2/2.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mercury2/1.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mer...-005_screen.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mercury2/pl7.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mer...eb__430x301.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mercury2/183.jpg
Check out this animation, it sums it up all pretty well:
http://pentagonresearch.com/029.html