Title: Careful About This Bush At Booker Photo
Description: The one timestamped "9:05"
Description: The one timestamped "9:05"
Killtown - July 10, 2006 01:20 AM (GMT)
This is from Michael Moore's film F9/11.
Moore is (un)knowingly reinforcing the popular belief that Bush was told about the second attacks at 9:05, however there are sources that say Bush was told at 9:07:
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| "'A second plane hit the second tower. America is under attack.' White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card leaned over and whispered these words into President Bush's right ear at 9:07 a.m. September 11." -Washington Times (10/08/02) "I said, 'A second plane hit the second tower. America is under attack.' 'The president's eyes got wide … and the face told it all,' Compton said, noting that 'something terribly grave. … Something beyond imagining' happened around 9:07 a.m. ET, according to her notes." -ABC (9/14/01) "Bush had received the first news of the attack at 9:07 a.m., three minutes after he had stepped into a classroom to hear 18 second-graders show off their reading skills when his chief of staff, Andrew H. Card Jr., leaned over and whispered to him. Bush, whose eyes had been sparkling, looked suddenly grim. That was when officials still thought the crash at the World Trade Center was an accident, and he went ahead with the photo opportunity." -Washington Post (9/11/01) |
Why care about a 2 minute difference? Because it could explain this:
http://killtown.911review.org/sawplane.html
LondonEye - July 10, 2006 01:49 AM (GMT)
When Bush entered the class
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Shortly after his call with National Security Advisor Rice, Bush entered Sandra Kay Daniels’s second-grade class for a photo-op to promote Bush’s education policies. [Daily Mail, 9/8/02] The event was to begin precisely at 9:00, but the call pushed it back to about 9:03. [Washington Times, 10/8/02, Telegraph, 12/16/01, Daily Mail, 9/8/02] Numerous reporters who were traveling with the president, as well as members of the local media, watched from the back of the room. [AP, 8/19/02 (D)] Altogether there were about 150 people in the room, only 16 of them students. Bush was introduced to the children and then posed for a number of pictures. Daniels then led the students through some reading exercises (video footage shows this lasted about three minutes). [Salon, 9/12/01] Bush later related what he was thinking at the time: “I was concentrating on the program at this point, thinking about what I was going to say [about the plane crash]. Obviously, I felt it was an accident. I was concerned about it, but there were no alarm bells.” [Washington Times, 10/7/02] |
It seems that both 9:05 and 9:07 have been listed.
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At 9:03, Flight 175 crashed into the South Tower of the World Trade Center. News of this traveled extremely rapidly. In fact, some of Bush’s Secret Service agents watched the second crash live on television in an adjacent room. [Sarasota Herald-Tribune, 9/10/02] Press Secretary Ari Fleischer, in the same room as Bush but not near him, immediately received the news on his pager. [CBS, 9/11/02] Other pagers were going off as well. Chief of Staff Andrew Card was in a nearby room when he heard the news. He waited until there was a pause in the reading drill to walk in and tell Bush. [Washington Times, 10/7/02, Washington Times, 10/8/02] The children were getting their books from under their seats to read a story together when Card came in. [Daily Mail, 9/8/02] Card whispered to Bush: “A second plane hit the second tower. America is under attack.” [San Francisco Chronicle, 9/11/02] Another account has Card saying: “A second plane has hit the World Trade Center. America is under attack.” [Telegraph, 12/16/01] Accounts vary as to when Card gave Bush the news. Some say 9:05 [Salon 9/11/01, New York Times, 9/16/01, Telegraph, 12/16/01, Albuquerque Tribune, 9/10/02], and some say 9:07. [Washington Post, 9/11/01, Washington Times, 10/8/02] ABC News reporter Ann Compton, who was in the room, said she was surprised by the interruption and “wrote [the time] down in my reporter’s notebook, by my watch, 9:07 a.m.” [ABC News, 9/11/02] |
More info on Bush's 9/11 Timeline, see below thread...
An Interesting Day: President Bush's Movements, and Actions on 9/11 - By Wood, Thompson
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dylan avery - July 10, 2006 02:05 AM (GMT)
i think what matters is the fact that bush was in his limosuine on the ringling causeway at the time of the first plane, thus, if he saw it live, it was a direct feed, therefore, he/they knew it was coming.
LondonEye - July 10, 2006 02:27 AM (GMT)
Totally Agree Dylan [salute]
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When Did Bush First Learn of the Attacks? Why does it matter when Bush left the resort and arrived at the school? Because this is the crucial time when Bush was first told, or should have been told, of the attacks. Official accounts, including the words of Bush himself, say Bush was first told of what was happening in New York City after he arrived at the school. [Telegraph, 12/16/01, CBS, 9/11/02] However, this statement does not stand up to scrutiny. There are at least four reports that Bush was told of the first crash before he arrived at the school. Two accounts explicitly state Bush was told while in the motorcade. “The President was on Highway 301, just north of Main Street ... [when] he received the news that a plane had crashed in New York City.” [Sarasota Magazine, 11/01] (See adjacent map for the location where he is told.) Another account states, “Bush was driving to the school in a motorcade when the phone rang. An airline accident appeared to have happened. He pressed on with his visit.” [Observer, 9/16/01] The first media reports of Flight 11’s crash into the World Trade Center began around 8:48, two minutes after the crash happened. [New York Times, 9/15/01] CNN broke into its regular programming at that time [CNN, 9/11/01], though other networks, such as ABC, took a few more minutes to begin reporting. [ABC, 9/14/02] So within minutes, millions were aware of the story, yet Bush supposedly remained unaware for about another ten minutes. Claims of Bush’s ignorance become harder to believe when one learns that others in his motorcade were immediately told of the attack. For instance, Kia Baskerville, a CBS News producer traveling with Bush that morning, received a message about a plane crash “as the presidential motorcade headed to President Bush’s first event.” Baskerville said, “Fifteen minutes later I was standing in a second grade classroom [waiting for Bush’s entrance]”—which means she got the news at about 8:47—right as the story was first being reported. [CBS, 8/19/02] A news photographer in the motorcade overheard a radio transmission that Press Secretary Ari Fleischer would be needed on arrival at the school to discuss reports of some sort of crash. [Christian Science Monitor, 9/17/01] Another account notes Fleischer got the news that the crash had occurred “just minutes before,” but notes that Bush was not in the same car as Fleischer. [CBS, 11/1/02] Senior presidential communications officer Thomas Herman said, “Just as we were arriving at the school, I received a notification from our operations center than [sic] an airliner had struck one of the towers....” [Marist College Magazine, Fall 2002] Meanwhile, CIA Director George Tenet was told of the crash a few minutes after it happened. A messenger gave him the news as he was eating breakfast with former Senator David Boren in a Washington restaurant three blocks from the White House. Boren says Tenet was told that the World Trade Center had been attacked by an airplane: “I was struck by the fact that [the messenger] used the word attacked.” An aide then handed a cell phone to Tenet, and Tenet made some calls, showing that at least some at the highest levels of the Bush administration were talking about an attack at this time. Tenet then said to Boren, “You know, this has bin Laden’s fingerprints all over it.” [ABC, 9/14/02] Some people at the school also heard of the news before Bush arrived. Around 8:50, Tampa Bay’s Channel 8 reporter Jackie Barron was on the phone with her mother, who mentioned the first news reports. At almost the same time, Brian Goff, a Fox reporter from Tampa, heard the same thing on his cell phone. [Sarasota Magazine, 11/01] Associated Press reporter Sonia Ross was also told of the crash by phone from a colleague. [AP, 9/12/01 (D)] Florida Congressman Dan Miller, waiting in front of the school as part of the official greeting party, was told by an aide about the crash at 8:55, before Bush arrived. [Sarasota Magazine, 11/01] Given all this, how could Bush have remained ignorant? Could he have been out of the loop because he was in a car? No. The previous night, Colony Resort manager Katie Klauber Moulon toured the presidential limousine and marveled “at all the phones and electronic equipment.” [Sarasota Magazine, 11/01] Karl Rove, Bush’s “chief political strategist,” who presumably was riding with Bush, used a wireless e-mail device on 9/11 as well. [Newsweek, 10/14/02] There seems to have been ample opportunity and the means to alert Bush. |
More info on Bush's 9/11 Timeline, see below thread...
An Interesting Day: President Bush's Movements, and Actions on 9/11 - By Wood, Thompson
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Killtown - July 10, 2006 02:39 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (LondonEye @ Jul 10 2006, 01:49 AM) |
| The event was to begin precisely at 9:00, but the call pushed it back to about 9:03. [Washington Times, 10/8/02, Telegraph, 12/16/01, Daily Mail, 9/8/02] |
Thanks for this LE.
I checked the sources, but didn't see where it said it was supposed to start at 9:00 (even though I'd assume it would start at that time). Did I miss it?
Killtown - July 10, 2006 02:42 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (dylan avery @ Jul 10 2006, 02:05 AM) |
| i think what matters is the fact that bush was in his limosuine on the ringling causeway at the time of the first plane, thus, if he saw it live, it was a direct feed, therefore, he/they knew it was coming. |
Yes, either he saw a live feed of the 1st crash on one of the TV's in his Limo on the way to Booker, or he saw the 2nd crash live on a TV in his holding room. Those are the only two things that make sense.
free_me - July 10, 2006 02:45 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (dylan avery @ Jul 9 2006, 08:05 PM) |
| i think what matters is the fact that bush was in his limosuine on the ringling causeway at the time of the first plane, thus, if he saw it live, it was a direct feed, therefore, he/they knew it was coming. |
Seen it... was told... doesn't matter much in my view. Ofcourse, if he had actually seen the first plane... well- that would be pretty damning. And he has claimed to have seen it. B)
Come to think of it, though... I'm not really sure where I was at, that day, either... :lol:
8bitagent - July 10, 2006 03:32 AM (GMT)
1. Arab looking men in a van wanting an "interview" with Bush on the morning of 9/11...5 "Arabs" dancing and filming the destruction to the WTC...several of the hijackers in the area of Sarasota a few days before, odd threats to the president reported, etc. Very odd.
2. "Angel is Next"...the mainstream version is that this was made up as an excuse, that "there was no mole who knew insider high level codes"...
But I have another take. What if Cheney was the one that called in threat, or had the threat put in?
Also, was Bush kept in the classroom long DELIBERATELY so that he could order shootdowns?
Mineta's statements about Cheney and Flight 77, and White House aides who dont believe Cheney ordered shoot downs is very odd.
2. "Angel is Next"...the mainstream version is that this was made up as an excuse, that "there was no mole who knew insider high level codes"...
But I have another take. What if Cheney was the one that called in threat, or had the threat put in?
Also, was Bush kept in the classroom long DELIBERATELY so that he could order shootdowns?
Mineta's statements about Cheney and Flight 77, and White House aides who dont believe Cheney ordered shoot downs is very odd.
PAROWAN - July 10, 2006 05:18 AM (GMT)
Most interesting to me is a point raised by David Ray Griffin in his book, THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT OMISSIONS AND DISTORTIONS:
"If the attacks on the world Trade Center were what they were purported to be- a complete surprise attack- the president and the head of his secret service detail would have to assume that Bush himself might have been one of the intended targets."
"Why was the president not whisked away?"
"For some reason, Secret service agents do not hustle Bush away. Their falure to do so is astounding, given the fact that, in the words of two critics, 'Hijackers could have crashed a plane into Bush's publicized location and his security would have been completely helpless to stop it."
"If the attacks on the world Trade Center were what they were purported to be- a complete surprise attack- the president and the head of his secret service detail would have to assume that Bush himself might have been one of the intended targets."
"Why was the president not whisked away?"
"For some reason, Secret service agents do not hustle Bush away. Their falure to do so is astounding, given the fact that, in the words of two critics, 'Hijackers could have crashed a plane into Bush's publicized location and his security would have been completely helpless to stop it."
chucksheen - July 10, 2006 05:25 AM (GMT)
Sanders - July 10, 2006 05:59 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (chucksheen @ Jul 10 2006, 02:25 PM) |
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News Flash
The President can't read [doh]
constitution - July 10, 2006 08:49 PM (GMT)
he must learn his scripts from audio tapes then when hes not being fed them through an earpeice.
I wonder if we can hax0r the earpeice sometime and get Stephen Colbert to narrate his speech for him. im sure he wouldnt clock onto whats going on for ooooh at least 20mins after the rest of us :P
I wonder if we can hax0r the earpeice sometime and get Stephen Colbert to narrate his speech for him. im sure he wouldnt clock onto whats going on for ooooh at least 20mins after the rest of us :P
Sanders - July 10, 2006 08:54 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (constitution @ Jul 11 2006, 05:49 AM) |
| I wonder if we can hax0r the earpeice sometime and get Stephen Colbert to narrate his speech for him. im sure he wouldnt clock onto whats going on for ooooh at least 20mins after the rest of us :P |
:D
HallowsEve - July 11, 2006 07:32 AM (GMT)
Has anyone ever noticed Bush's pupils in the Andrew Card/Bush still images and video. They look extremely strange...very cartoon like. He is also very figgity after card whispers in his ear.
Here is a little bit of basic anatomy/physiology info I copied off a website:
The human body responds to stressors by activating the nervous system and specific hormones. The hypothalamus signals the adrenal glands to produce more of the hormones adrenaline and cortisol and release them into the bloodstream. These hormones speed up heart rate, breathing rate, blood pressure, and metabolism. Blood vessels open wider to let more blood flow to large muscle groups, putting our muscles on alert. Pupils dilate to improve vision. The liver releases some of its stored glucose to increase the body's energy. And sweat is produced to cool the body. All of these physical changes prepare a person to react quickly and effectively to handle the pressure of the moment.
The stress response (also called the fight or flight response) is critical during emergency situations, such as when a driver has to slam on the brakes to avoid an accident.
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Playing devil's advocate: Now, if Bush was stressed due to the information Card was providing him in a manner that represented shock due to the events unfolding why didn't he jump into action (fight or flight)?
It would appear his stress is stemming from something other than shock. Maybe his stress levels were rising because the plan he had heard "whispers" of was actually coming together. Maybe his mind was racing, wondering if there may be any evidence that might lead to his implication in the plot if ever discovered.
I realize my speculation proves nothing. It's just my 2 cents, but I always felt his facial expressions and eyes are very strange in those pics and footage. Especially considering he never jumped into action.
Here is a little bit of basic anatomy/physiology info I copied off a website:
The human body responds to stressors by activating the nervous system and specific hormones. The hypothalamus signals the adrenal glands to produce more of the hormones adrenaline and cortisol and release them into the bloodstream. These hormones speed up heart rate, breathing rate, blood pressure, and metabolism. Blood vessels open wider to let more blood flow to large muscle groups, putting our muscles on alert. Pupils dilate to improve vision. The liver releases some of its stored glucose to increase the body's energy. And sweat is produced to cool the body. All of these physical changes prepare a person to react quickly and effectively to handle the pressure of the moment.
The stress response (also called the fight or flight response) is critical during emergency situations, such as when a driver has to slam on the brakes to avoid an accident.
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Playing devil's advocate: Now, if Bush was stressed due to the information Card was providing him in a manner that represented shock due to the events unfolding why didn't he jump into action (fight or flight)?
It would appear his stress is stemming from something other than shock. Maybe his stress levels were rising because the plan he had heard "whispers" of was actually coming together. Maybe his mind was racing, wondering if there may be any evidence that might lead to his implication in the plot if ever discovered.
I realize my speculation proves nothing. It's just my 2 cents, but I always felt his facial expressions and eyes are very strange in those pics and footage. Especially considering he never jumped into action.
dubitandumest - September 6, 2006 07:56 PM (GMT)
I dreamed last night that on 910 Cheney tells tiny little Bush that it is better that he is not in Washington the next day. Which puzzles tiny little Bush because he doesn´t understand. Then the next day when he is told about the planes he begins to understand that it is really better - for him - to listen to fairy tales than to be in the White House.
OK, how many visits to schools does the President of the United States normally do in a year? What was the special purpose of this visit? When was it planned? By whom? Who caught the idea that tiny little Bush should go there? So many simple questions!
OK, how many visits to schools does the President of the United States normally do in a year? What was the special purpose of this visit? When was it planned? By whom? Who caught the idea that tiny little Bush should go there? So many simple questions!
2seksi - September 6, 2006 11:22 PM (GMT)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6...onspiracy&hl=en
43:58 to about 45 minutes. Bush states that he "was outside the classroom waiting to go in and [he] saw an airplane hit the tower."
So yeah, he screwed up his own story and basically just admitted he SAW the FIRST plane hit it. Meaning live feed, meaning they knew it was coming.
also, this link is broken
http://killtown.911review.org/sawplane.html
43:58 to about 45 minutes. Bush states that he "was outside the classroom waiting to go in and [he] saw an airplane hit the tower."
So yeah, he screwed up his own story and basically just admitted he SAW the FIRST plane hit it. Meaning live feed, meaning they knew it was coming.
also, this link is broken
http://killtown.911review.org/sawplane.html