Title: Message To Dylan, Korey, Jason Of Loose Change
Description: Zionist involvement in 9/11 truth
voiceoftruths - July 10, 2006 04:40 AM (GMT)
After listening to a phone conversation between the Loose Change guys (Dylan, Korey, Jason) and Eric Hufschmid I have a few comments for them.
Hear the conversation
http://www.erichufschmid.net/Hufschmid-Dylan-Korey-Jason.mp3Not sure who I'm quoting, but at multiple times during this conversation it was stated that Eric's theory of Zionist involvement couldn't be PROVEN and that was your reasoning for sticking to the "facts".
Please consider this. The Zionist involvement is absolutely unquestionable guys and I can prove it right now!
As soon as somebody starts calling my "facts" anti-semitic that immediately proves my point.
Just stop and think for a moment that EVERYTHING you HEAR on the radio, SEE on TV, READ in the paper is what makes up your reality. Media control is absolutely crucial in steering reality whether through outright lies, half truths, omissions or some form of censorship.
If 1% of the population is controlling what 99% watch, read, hear then WHAT IF there was a bias?
Personally I think it's absolutely disgusting that one race of people the media throughout North America and even the world and NOBODY EVER MENTIONS THIS!!!
If this doesn't concern Dylan, Korey, or Jason then I think Eric and Daryl Smith have made their points crystal clear. The mainstream media are only going to fund "Truth" films if they don't cover Zionist involvement.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/shadow/jewishmedia.htmhttp://www.jewwatch.com/jew-controlledpress-folder.htmlhttp://www.libreopinion.com/members/standa...question03.htmlhttp://www.canadianencyclopedia.ca/index.c...s=M1ARTM0012393http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/jewsconfirmbigmedia.htmlhttp://www.rense.com/general44/sevenjewishamericans.htmMy second comment is that one of you asked Eric if he'd read Fritz Springmeier's Bloodlines of the Illuminati and that you believed the conspiracy was Luciferian Illuminism.
That is correct, but you've obviously not read the book yourself because Fritz confirms that the conspiracy is actually Jewish/Zionist!
Read the Freeman Chapter to find out for yourself.
http://www.whale.to/b/sp/freeman.html#THE_HOUSE_OF_DAVID_Also, read the Russell chapter of the revised Bloodlines for more on CT Russell's Zionist connection.
Don't forget that 75% of those bloodlines are Jewish or part Jewish!
Incase you still think that you can't "prove" Zionism is anything of importance read on.
http://www.xanga.com/offlimitsinfo/
roger - July 10, 2006 04:50 AM (GMT)
two quick questions.
1- Has it ever occurred to you that Jews are just a lot smarter than you, and that is why they rise to positions of power and success? Has it occurred to you maybe that David Letterman has his own show because he is FUNNY, and not because he is a JEW? That Steven Spielberg is famous and rich because he makes GREAT MOVIES and not because he is a JEW? That Rupert Murdoch owns half the media in the world because he is f*cking GOOD at it?
2- Assuming you could prove that Spielberg can't make a good movie, that it's just a zionist plot to brainwash kids into watching ET 7 times even though they secretly actually hated it, thereby vindicating your broader anti-zionist PARANOIA as "troof", what would you DO ABOUT IT?
Perhaps you would... pass laws to bar Jews from holding positions of power? Cut off funding for Israel? Perhaps, round up all the Jews with money and have "trials", and send them off to special little camps if you decided they were in on the big secret plot?
I know that was more than 2 questions but if you could address the general themes, that would be great. Thanks!
chucksheen - July 10, 2006 04:54 AM (GMT)
Have you seen Peace, Propaganda and the Promised Land?
Watch it and all the rest of the films at:
http://www.UniversalSeed.orgWelcome and thanks for joining. Help us expose the truth.
[cheers]
FinalStrike - July 10, 2006 05:12 AM (GMT)
they are not jews the zionists- they are just hiding behind it.
plus its not just zionist running the world but they do play a big part- but they are very much affiliated with the rothschild family established banking powerbase and theyre subsequent legal control.
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/09/297062.shtmli didnt believe this at first- but read the text and begin to shit yourself.
pr0mythius - July 10, 2006 05:14 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (roger @ Jul 10 2006, 04:50 AM) |
two quick questions.
1- Has it ever occurred to you that Jews are just a lot smarter than you, and that is why they rise to positions of power and success? Has it occurred to you maybe that David Letterman has his own show because he is FUNNY, and not because he is a JEW? That Steven Spielberg is famous and rich because he makes GREAT MOVIES and not because he is a JEW? That Rupert Murdoch owns half the media in the world because he is f*cking GOOD at it?
2- Assuming you could prove that Spielberg can't make a good movie, that it's just a zionist plot to brainwash kids into watching ET 7 times even though they secretly actually hated it, thereby vindicating your broader anti-zionist PARANOIA as "troof", what would you DO ABOUT IT?
Perhaps you would... pass laws to bar Jews from holding positions of power? Cut off funding for Israel? Perhaps, round up all the Jews with money and have "trials", and send them off to special little camps if you decided they were in on the big secret plot?
I know that was more than 2 questions but if you could address the general themes, that would be great. Thanks! |
1. voice statements are absolutely true.
2. he's not saying that people in positions of coporate and media power are there simply because they are jewish. he's just saying that the people that are playing global chess with the world are mainly jewish. really i dont care what race they are .. the fact of the matter is what they're doing is nothing short of evil.
3. roger your assumptions are nothing short of rediculous and i'm pretty sure you're making a joke of it. jewish people are not bad. no race is. there's always a handful of people of any race or nationality that are just pure scum and should have thier genitles burned.
they answer to stopping a society from falling under such control lies in one thing. we allow small groups of people to obtain way too much power and wealth. yes i said it. i dont think a person should be allowed to posses billions upon billions of dollars. Why? CUZ YOU DONT NEED THAT MUCH DAMN MONEY! NO ONE DOES! and i know there are those that are going to say that its your money and no one should be able to take it from you. and honestly i think that arguement holds about as much water as a rock. once you ever start aquiring wealth into the hundreds of millions you're pretty much overkilling it. how much is enough? and even if a limit is not made on individual wealth. how about actually inforcing anti-trust laws. once a company has grown to such a copacity that it has its greedy lil hands in everyones pockets .. they should be split. they wouldnt have done that to bill gates if he would have been born into thier lil elitest club.
and for all of you that believe the zionist idea is nothing more than a fairy tale, then obviously you havent read the material addressing the subject .. and therefore you dont have the right to make such judgements.
never utter these words, "i do not know therefore it is false." one must study to know, know to understand, understand to judge.
HotDogBun - July 10, 2006 06:30 AM (GMT)
MOVED -> ALTERNATIVE THEORIES
and btw, did it ever occur to anyone why people of jewish descent have a tendecy to be successful/powerful/rich? The holocaust eliminated 1/3 of the worlds jews... do you think it was the intelligent/rich jews ( that could forsee what was coming in Europe and could afford to avoid it) who ended up in the crematorium? I doubt it. :o
pr0mythius - July 10, 2006 09:13 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (HotDogBun @ Jul 10 2006, 06:30 AM) |
| and btw, did it ever occur to anyone why people of jewish descent have a tendecy to be successful/powerful/rich? The holocaust eliminated 1/3 of the worlds jews... do you think it was the intelligent/rich jews ( that could forsee what was coming in Europe and could afford to avoid it) who ended up in the crematorium? I doubt it. :o |
i dont doubt they're intellegent, thats obvious. they're obviously intellegent because they've got the majority of at least this country(US) thinking they're all innocent and couldn't possibly have alterior motives qith thier quest to power. eeeeeeeeevery likes to think that those in power over us want whats best for everyone. i have trouble holding back the laughs when i see someone say this and actually seem serious.
i'm not saying that all jews are evil and just out to control the world ... thats stupid to even suggest such a thing about a massive group of people, but the whole arguement presented everytime someone brings this sorta thing up .. saying you're antisemitic is about as affective in my mind as saying "i know you are but what am i." its just a weak ass way of avoiding the issue.
hell i'm all about saying screw nationality and race ... we're all just f'n beings that live on a rock.
julianwells - July 12, 2006 10:06 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (roger @ Jul 10 2006, 04:50 AM) |
| Has it occurred to you maybe that David Letterman has his own show because he is FUNNY, and not because he is a JEW? |
Whoa whoa whoa, when did David Letterman become funny?
free_me - July 12, 2006 11:14 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (voiceoftruths @ Jul 9 2006, 10:40 PM) |
| If this doesn't concern Dylan, Korey, or Jason then I think Eric and Daryl Smith have made their points crystal clear. The mainstream media are only going to fund "Truth" films if they don't cover Zionist involvement. |
I think DBS and Eric need to get a grip, as well, you.
Why is it that everyone who doesn't cover the zionists must be a part of the conspiracy? I guess every single author, every single movie maker, every single poster here on these forums, all ought to be jumping up and down and screaming about the zionists?
Is the MSM funding LTW? Who exactly are they funding, that you are aware of, in alternative media... aside from gatekeepers such as Amy Goodman and such?
You know what points Hufschmidt and DBS make? That everyone is in on the zionist conspiracy. Either one is a crypto-jew, or a zionist, if one doesn't agree with them. Oh, or a shill.
(Eric, is that you hiding behind another handle again?)
Killtown - July 13, 2006 02:58 AM (GMT)
I think Isreal had a BIG role in 9/11.
izzy - July 13, 2006 07:48 AM (GMT)
The bomb-sniffer dogs found the (dancing) Israeli's van positive for explosives.......also in the van was found Arab clothing.
140 Israeli's were rounded up and found to be Mossad (all Mossad are trained in explosives) and Mossad helpers, most with expired visas and most put in solitary confinement for a couple of months, then quietly put on a plane to Israel. The Mossad is the Rothchild's secret or not so secret army and do his bidding..
All the rest of the international bankers borrow from the Rothchilds. No comparison when it comes to wealth.
In a list of 78 alleged Jewish 9/11 victims, 77 appeared to be ficticious, as only one was found to be on the SS Death index, and none were found on the claims on the 911 Victims funds. It would appear that several hour warnings were effective as only 3 victims were Jewish. This messaging system advertises how messages can be sent according to demographics.
It is hard to ignore things like this. Also, as I understand it, the US has no treaties with Israel.
free_me - July 14, 2006 03:31 AM (GMT)
Izzy, sounds good... what does it prove? What does it convince people of? Where's the hard links? Interesting stuff for sure. And circumstantial at best, for now. I find it difficult to believe any of this is worth the effort to include into a 1.5-2hr movie for the masses.
izzy - July 14, 2006 08:14 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (free_me @ Jul 14 2006, 03:31 AM) |
| Izzy, sounds good... what does it prove? What does it convince people of? Where's the hard links? Interesting stuff for sure. And circumstantial at best, for now. I find it difficult to believe any of this is worth the effort to include into a 1.5-2hr movie for the masses. |
You planning on making a video? When will you be making it?
izzy
Sanders - July 14, 2006 08:41 AM (GMT)
Did it ever occur to anyone that those Zionists in very high places are HOPING we will attack them by name (zionists) so that they can use the anti-semitism argument to discredit us? Rothschild involvement in the formation of the Anti Defamation League outa clue you in.
Maybe Dylan, Korey and Jason are smarter than you think
Sanders - July 14, 2006 08:45 AM (GMT)
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| The Mossad is the Rothchild's secret or not so secret army and do his bidding. |
Interesting, I don't find this hard to believe. Izzy, do you have any links to anything that supports this?
dylan avery - July 14, 2006 09:48 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (voiceoftruths @ Jul 10 2006, 04:40 AM) |
After listening to a phone conversation between the Loose Change guys (Dylan, Korey, Jason) and Eric Hufschmid I have a few comments for them.
Hear the conversation http://www.erichufschmid.net/Hufschmid-Dylan-Korey-Jason.mp3
Not sure who I'm quoting, but at multiple times during this conversation it was stated that Eric's theory of Zionist involvement couldn't be PROVEN and that was your reasoning for sticking to the "facts".
If this doesn't concern Dylan, Korey, or Jason then I think Eric and Daryl Smith have made their points crystal clear. The mainstream media are only going to fund "Truth" films if they don't cover Zionist involvement. |
haven't u seen my myspace?
i am a shape-shifting lizard Zionist disinfo agent from the center of the earth. and space.
Odinizm - July 15, 2006 01:45 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (roger @ Jul 10 2006, 04:50 AM) |
two quick questions.
1- Has it ever occurred to you that Jews are just a lot smarter than you, and that is why they rise to positions of power and success? Has it occurred to you maybe that David Letterman has his own show because he is FUNNY, and not because he is a JEW? That Steven Spielberg is famous and rich because he makes GREAT MOVIES and not because he is a JEW? That Rupert Murdoch owns half the media in the world because he is f*cking GOOD at it?
2- Assuming you could prove that Spielberg can't make a good movie, that it's just a zionist plot to brainwash kids into watching ET 7 times even though they secretly actually hated it, thereby vindicating your broader anti-zionist PARANOIA as "troof", what would you DO ABOUT IT?
Perhaps you would... pass laws to bar Jews from holding positions of power? Cut off funding for Israel? Perhaps, round up all the Jews with money and have "trials", and send them off to special little camps if you decided they were in on the big secret plot?
I know that was more than 2 questions but if you could address the general themes, that would be great. Thanks! |
1. Speilberg is a horrible director, compare him to Almodovar or Lynch. The only reason why he makes it into the big leagues, is because he is jewish...and hollywood is run by jews..no lie, he is also good with money, and getting it via the right channels and messages in his movies. Have you seen munich? its a pile of crock.
2. ET was a one-off decent film (for kids, and families) It was'nt amazing, the plot is repeated in other day-time movies all the time, the reason speilberg got out, was becauseh e had the funding for the FX, and for the technology used in the movie. He is also a jew, with jewish friends, who are very good at advertising. There is somthing called a NAG-factor.. its what companies and people use to get into kid's brains and make them want somthing.
3. Cutting funding to Israel is a great idea, the whole place belongs to the palestinians anyway. Not to mention the crap their pulling with lebanon rightnow.
Im not anti-semitic. I have plenty of jewish friends, but I hate this kind of crap, using the holocaust to put yourself anywhere you like. sorry my racial denomination lost 20 million to german camps, they lost 6, yet I don't whine. Yes it was terrible.. yes I know, I lost seven members of my family. Funny thing is, after all the holocaust rhetoric, they mark palestinians with chalk if they wish to cross from gaza to the west bank, does this remind you in any way of the star of david patch used in the third-reich's germany? no? [thumbsup]
Israel is the most in-humane country possible, It deeply disgusts me. It's a shame too, because now some people associate jews with israel, even though Jews are nice people, and Israel was founded by Ex-soviet Zionists. [thmdwn]
Want to know somthing else? a jew invented modern terrorism... which he used on british troops in israel to get rid of the occupation..hanging soliders mutilated corpses in the street and blowing up some hotels... wonderful
Man...I really went on a rant. ... [cheers] to all the mosad friends watching.
diablomonic - July 15, 2006 05:39 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Odinizm @ Jul 15 2006, 01:45 AM) |
| QUOTE (roger @ Jul 10 2006, 04:50 AM) | two quick questions.
1- Has it ever occurred to you that Jews are just a lot smarter than you, and that is why they rise to positions of power and success? Has it occurred to you maybe that David Letterman has his own show because he is FUNNY, and not because he is a JEW? That Steven Spielberg is famous and rich because he makes GREAT MOVIES and not because he is a JEW? That Rupert Murdoch owns half the media in the world because he is f*cking GOOD at it?
2- Assuming you could prove that Spielberg can't make a good movie, that it's just a zionist plot to brainwash kids into watching ET 7 times even though they secretly actually hated it, thereby vindicating your broader anti-zionist PARANOIA as "troof", what would you DO ABOUT IT?
Perhaps you would... pass laws to bar Jews from holding positions of power? Cut off funding for Israel? Perhaps, round up all the Jews with money and have "trials", and send them off to special little camps if you decided they were in on the big secret plot?
I know that was more than 2 questions but if you could address the general themes, that would be great. Thanks! |
1. Speilberg is a horrible director, compare him to Almodovar or Lynch. The only reason why he makes it into the big leagues, is because he is jewish...and hollywood is run by jews..no lie, he is also good with money, and getting it via the right channels and messages in his movies. Have you seen munich? its a pile of crock.
2. ET was a one-off decent film (for kids, and families) It was'nt amazing, the plot is repeated in other day-time movies all the time, the reason speilberg got out, was becauseh e had the funding for the FX, and for the technology used in the movie. He is also a jew, with jewish friends, who are very good at advertising. There is somthing called a NAG-factor.. its what companies and people use to get into kid's brains and make them want somthing.
3. Cutting funding to Israel is a great idea, the whole place belongs to the palestinians anyway. Not to mention the crap their pulling with lebanon rightnow.
Im not anti-semitic. I have plenty of jewish friends, but I hate this kind of crap, using the holocaust to put yourself anywhere you like. sorry my racial denomination lost 20 million to german camps, they lost 6, yet I don't whine. Yes it was terrible.. yes I know, I lost seven members of my family. Funny thing is, after all the holocaust rhetoric, they mark palestinians with chalk if they wish to cross from gaza to the west bank, does this remind you in any way of the star of david patch used in the third-reich's germany? no? [thumbsup] Israel is the most in-humane country possible, It deeply disgusts me. It's a shame too, because now some people associate jews with israel, even though Jews are nice people, and Israel was founded by Ex-soviet Zionists. [thmdwn] Want to know somthing else? a jew invented modern terrorism... which he used on british troops in israel to get rid of the occupation..hanging soliders mutilated corpses in the street and blowing up some hotels... wonderful
Man...I really went on a rant. ... [cheers] to all the mosad friends watching.
|
Agree totally.
To the grandparent:
1.) NO. you are suggesting the intelectual superiority of one race over another, which is by definition racism. There is NO proof that jews (or any other race) are smarter OR dumber than any other race, and its higly hypocritical that some jews claim their own racial superiority while (rightly) vilifying the germans for the same type of claim. I have seen studies that show both of these cases: that jews are slightly smarter, or that that they are slightly dumber. Personally, I believe neither, I think only the upbringing really differentiates any race on the whole from any other in terms of inteligence and behaviour. Theres just too much human mixing for such statistical anomolies to be widespread.
Given that they are NOT genetically superior intelectually, there can be no other explanation for the giant whopping statistical anomaly that is jewish prominance in media/business/hollywood/finance etc than that there is some sort of conspiracy or inherant part of jewish culture that lets them keep control over such a large proportion of the top spots, while only making up a tiny fraction of the population. Part of it is elitism: ie they have the top spots, therefore the power and money, therefore can educate their children better than most, and obviously have the contacts to get them started in the world.
remember the saying "its not what you know, its who you know"
Also pointing out a few success stories and claiming they are a representative sample is rediculous. Has it ever occured to YOU that there are many more talented people out there in EVERY field that never become succesful because they dont have the contacts/resources or plain luck to make it happen? That for every Spielberg theres probably thousands of people with the same or more potential talent that never got a chance because they couldnt afford to play round with video cameras ( or even eat properly) while teenagers? whodidnt have the money to go to uni in the first place, let alone the contacts to leave uni and jump straight into a television directors contract at universal studios?
Now I dont know all that much about speilberg, and I actually like most of his movies at least a little, but Im dead certain there are probably at the very least 1000 other people in the world that, given the right contacts and money, could do what he does or better. This same situation is repeated across the board.
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2- Assuming you could prove that Spielberg can't make a good movie, that it's just a zionist plot to brainwash kids into watching ET 7 times even though they secretly actually hated it, thereby vindicating your broader anti-zionist PARANOIA as "troof", what would you DO ABOUT IT?
Perhaps you would... pass laws to bar Jews from holding positions of power? Cut off funding for Israel? Perhaps, round up all the Jews with money and have "trials", and send them off to special little camps if you decided they were in on the big secret plot? |
How about NOT condemning people as anti-semite for criticising israel. Personally yes I would cut off funding for israel. Why the f*ck should the US fund another country billions of dollars a year, especially a violent and aggressive one illegally occupying and oppressing another sovereign nation? what the hell is so special about isreal that they deserve billions to buy yet another F16 or tank, to kill more palestinians, while millions in africa starve to death?
The Israeli government is an absolute disgrace, commiting acts against the palestinians so similar to those perpetrated by the nazi's they claim to despise. Even many of their own soldiers are refusing to continue oppressing the palestinians on their own land (watch "peace propaganda and the promised land")
Jewish people on the whole are no better or worse than any other race genetically, although their upbringing and culture appears to me to promote the very racism and elitism they claim to despise in the nazi's, even down to promoting lies about the intelectual superiority of one race over another!!
Banned - July 15, 2006 08:00 PM (GMT)
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| hollywood is run by jews |
No, Hollywood is run by money.
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| 1. Speilberg is a horrible director, compare him to Almodovar or Lynch. The only reason why he makes it into the big leagues, is because he is jewish |
No, he made it into the big leagues because his films make money.
JAWS - 260 MILLION
RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK - 242 MILLION
CLOSE ENCOUNTERS - 132 MILLION
JURASSIC PARK - 357 MILLION
SAVING PRIVATE RYAN 216 MILLION
And so on...
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| the whole place belongs to the palestinians anyway |
Your knowladge of history is mind blowing.
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| Israel is the most in-humane country possible, It deeply disgusts me |
[crylol]
"In the past four months, six Muslim women living in Berlin have been brutally murdered by family members. Their crime? Trying to break free and live Western lifestyles. Within their communities, the killers are revered as heroes for preserving their family dignity."
PLEASE
Terrorcell - July 15, 2006 10:39 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Killtown @ Jul 13 2006, 02:58 AM) |
| I think Isreal had a BIG role in 9/11. |
I agree with that statement.
broodlinger - July 15, 2006 10:43 PM (GMT)
>No, Hollywood is run by money.
That's what he said :D
izzy - July 15, 2006 10:54 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Sanders @ Jul 14 2006, 08:45 AM) |
| QUOTE | | The Mossad is the Rothchild's secret or not so secret army and do his bidding. |
Interesting, I don't find this hard to believe. Izzy, do you have any links to anything that supports this?
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Not without googling. I don't think it's a secret. Maybe Judicial?
izzy
izzy - July 15, 2006 11:15 PM (GMT)
I hold Jews to the same standards I hold Methodists or Lutherans.
I just watched "Munich" last night and could barely finish it it was so bad. Just one bloody assassination after another. In view of learning Israel's track record in False Flags over and over again, that Mossad is entirely capable of offing their own Olympic team to acquire the world's sympathy. Also by assassinating all those suspects, they never got a day in court, and would prevent any investigation that might uncover a false flag operation done by Israel. Don't blame me for that opinion---they earned it. (Do you notice the accusers of anti-semitisim never discuss the issues raised, only attack you?)
Webster Tarpley's show today plainly suggests that the attack and kidnapping was Israeli "False Flag", and they have no interest in retreiving the soldiers if indeed they are missing, they are wanting to get the US into a war. Listent at RBNnet.
Very, very good briefing today--analysis of the intregue, etc....--2nd hour had Steven Jones guest..
izzy
Odinizm - July 16, 2006 01:02 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Banned @ Jul 15 2006, 08:00 PM) |
Your knowladge of history is mind blowing.
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The reason I didn’t go into detail is because usually no one knows anything anyway. Such as yourself.
The peninsula belonged to the Jews in 1000bc under King David. Yet the whole area belonged to Arabic peoples, as far back as 2500bc. The first empires in the area (around 2350bc) , were Zoroastrian (fire worshipers) Arabs, who populated the area from where Lebanon is now, far south to the Persian gulf, such as the Akkad and Amorite, both are the ancestors of the people now in Palestine, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Some say they built Babylon, but it's not certain. The area they populated included the "promised land" controlled by the Canaanites, who were the Greeks of the first century b.c. After the Israelite invasion proved successful at around 1100bc
It is amusing anyway, that Jews can claim a land as theirs even though they controlled it for only 278 years, 3000 years ago. Even if we ignore the fact that the first people in that area to actually establish a state were in fact Arabs. Arabic peoples have also held the area for over 4000 years.
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| "In the past four months, six Muslim women living in Berlin have been brutally murdered by family members. Their crime? Trying to break free and live Western lifestyles. Within their communities, the killers are revered as heroes for preserving their family dignity." |
Israel killed 300 000 Palestinian people during its grab for power, and they still kill people today...with no comment from the west...because THEY are supposedly oppressed.
Banned - July 16, 2006 02:26 PM (GMT)
Israel became a nation about 1300 BCE, two thousand years before the rise of Islam. The people of modern day Israel share the same language and culture shaped by the Jewish heritage and religion passed through generations starting with the founding father Abraham. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BCE, the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.
After the Romans conquered Jerusalem about 2,000 years ago, Jewish people were expelled and dispersed to the Diaspora, and the Land of Israel was ruled by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire, and by the British Empire.
Throughout centuries Jews prayed to return from the Diaspora to Israel. During the first half of the 20th century there were major waves of immigration of Jews back to Israel from the Arab countries and from Europe. In 1948 Jews reestablished their sovereignty over their ancient homeland with the establishment of the modern State of Israel.
It was only after the Jews re-inhabited their historic homeland of Judea and Samaria, that the myth of a Palestinian nation was created and marketed worldwide. Jews come from Judea, not Palestinians. There is no language known as Palestinian, or any Palestinian culture distinct from that of all the Arabs in the area. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs indistinguishable from Arabs throughout the Middle East. The Palestinian National Charter adopted by the PLO states this fact in the first article
The area called Palestine included the territories of present day Israel and Jordan. Under Lausanne agreement of 1923 Turkey transferred all claims to Palestine to mandatory power Britain. In 1922 Britain allocated nearly 80% of Palestine to Transjordan. In 1947 UN partitioned this remaining land into two states, a second Arab state, Palestine, and Israel. The great majority of Arabs in greater Palestine and Israel share the same culture, language and religion. The Arabs in the area began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel. Virtually all the Arabs in Judea, Samaria and Gaza in the West Bank of Jordan River have complete autonomy under the rule of the Palestinian Authority.
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| Israel killed 300 000 Palestinian people during its grab for power, and they still kill people today...with no comment from the west...because THEY are supposedly oppressed. |
They're not oppressed, but their neighbors main desire is for their extinction. And have continually tried to make that a reality.
Odinizm - July 16, 2006 02:35 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Banned @ Jul 16 2006, 02:26 PM) |
Israel became a nation about 1300 BCE, two thousand years before the rise of Islam. The people of modern day Israel share the same language and culture shaped by the Jewish heritage and religion passed through generations starting with the founding father Abraham. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BCE, the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.
After the Romans conquered Jerusalem about 2,000 years ago, Jewish people were expelled and dispersed to the Diaspora, and the Land of Israel was ruled by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire, and by the British Empire.
Throughout centuries Jews prayed to return from the Diaspora to Israel. During the first half of the 20th century there were major waves of immigration of Jews back to Israel from the Arab countries and from Europe. In 1948 Jews reestablished their sovereignty over their ancient homeland with the establishment of the modern State of Israel.
It was only after the Jews re-inhabited their historic homeland of Judea and Samaria, that the myth of a Palestinian nation was created and marketed worldwide. Jews come from Judea, not Palestinians. There is no language known as Palestinian, or any Palestinian culture distinct from that of all the Arabs in the area. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs indistinguishable from Arabs throughout the Middle East. The Palestinian National Charter adopted by the PLO states this fact in the first article
The area called Palestine included the territories of present day Israel and Jordan. Under Lausanne agreement of 1923 Turkey transferred all claims to Palestine to mandatory power Britain. In 1922 Britain allocated nearly 80% of Palestine to Transjordan. In 1947 UN partitioned this remaining land into two states, a second Arab state, Palestine, and Israel. The great majority of Arabs in greater Palestine and Israel share the same culture, language and religion. The Arabs in the area began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel. Virtually all the Arabs in Judah, Samaria and Gaza in the West Bank of Jordan River have complete autonomy under the rule of the Palestinian Authority. |
Israel became a nation in 1000 bc, The Isrealite conquest finished in 1100bc.
Islam and Arabs are different things.
Jews may have had a presence in the land for 3300 years, but they have ruled the land for only 278 years, and even so, after 78 years of establishment, Israel split into two nations, judah and Israel in the north.
Yes ofcourse, Palestine is a myth...
[crylol]
Have you read what I wrote in the past post? Jews can pray for whatever they like but the land is Arab, as they have controlled it for a huge majority of time.
I realise quoting things from jewish sites is easy, but maybe you should study the subject since you seem to be an expert.
Roxdog - July 16, 2006 02:53 PM (GMT)
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| Jews come from Judea |
So all the Jews from Russia, Europe and New York living in Tel Aviv are actually from Judea? Interesting...
Sanders - July 16, 2006 04:02 PM (GMT)
Banned, in the words of Judge Haller (My Favorite Munster Fred Qwynne) to Vincent Gambini (Wise Guy Joe Pesci) in My Cousin Vinny, "Mr. Gambini, that was a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out argument."
But you forgot a couple of things. The Sykes-Picot agreement for starters, and Britain's promises of independence to the Arab peoples that fought to throw the Ottomans out of the Middle East (broken) that preceded it.
Palestine existed, and there were people that lived there. Arabs. For a long time. Lots of maps with "Palestine" written there still floating around I think.
Odinizm - July 17, 2006 01:12 AM (GMT)
Banned:
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| They're not oppressed, but their neighbors main desire is for their extinction. And have continually tried to make that a reality. |
You have it the wrong way round, The Isrealis want the totall extermination of the arabs. The arabs want their land back, which was unfairly taken from them. I don't get this argument, I don't know what your leading to. Do you want a genocide to continue? I'm not saying Israel should be removed, thats also not fair, but there should be proper borders set up, and the Isreali Invasion of Palestinian Land (Gaza and Westbank) should be over. If the Isrealis get out of those areas and let the Palestinians live, then there won't be any problems. if the jewish settlements on Palestinian territory are removed, and a proper country established, then both the Jews and Palestinians can settle down. Whats happening now is unfair and inhumane.
Banned - July 17, 2006 02:25 AM (GMT)
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| You have it the wrong way round, The Isrealis want the totall extermination of the arabs |
Hamas GoalsOn the Destruction of Israel:
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'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will
obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)
"Hezbollah supports the destruction of the state of Israel[43] and co-operates with other militant Islamic organizations such as Hamas in order to promote this goal."
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| If the Isrealis get out of those areas and let the Palestinians live, then there won't be any problems. |
Do you really believe that? Israel pulled out of Lebanon in 2000 and what did that get them?
They pulled out of Gaza and began to dismantle the West bank and what did that get them?
"In 1948, both Jews and Arabs were living in Palestine. Jews had been trying to return to the land of their ancestors for decades, but most were denied entrance by Britain. Horrified by the murder of 6 million Jews in Nazi extermination camps, the UN voted to partition Palestine (18 percent to the Jews) in order to create a small Jewish state as a place for resettlement of the survivors of Hitler's holocaust. The Palestinian Arabs were given 82 percent of Palestine as a state of their own. Insisting that Allah had promised it all to them, and unwilling to allow a Jewish state to exist, six Arab nations attacked, confident of driving the Jews into the Mediterranean.
Thus began the war of 1948. The Jews were forced to fight for survival against a force far superior in numbers and equipment. Having been allotted such a narrow strip of land along the sea that it was indefensible, tiny Israel, as part of her victory, pushed her boundaries outward to a more defensible position.
Jordan subsequently annexed the remainder of Palestine that had been partitioned to the Palestinian Arabs. Since that time the countries of Jordan, Lebanon and Syria have refused to integrate these Palestinians Arabs into society, confining them to refugee camps. Most remain there today, to keep the "Palestinian problem" alive. "
Killtown - July 17, 2006 02:34 AM (GMT)
Banned,
If Israel had set up shop no where near any Arab country, do you think Arabs would still try to obliterate the country?
Banned - July 17, 2006 03:38 AM (GMT)
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| If Israel had set up shop no where near any Arab country, do you think Arabs would still try to obliterate the country? |
Well there's a reason for genocide.
Who was there first? How far back do you want to go? Who's story do you want to believe?
The Jews migrated to their home land.(after being kicked out of countries around the globe.) They establishes a state, built cities, developed an economy, employed Arabs.
They didn't go in with an army and push the Arabs aside. They moved there and tried to live their lives and when the numbers started to get to large, the Arabs had a problem with it. And when the UN steped in, then they really had a problem with it.
How often do you see Israelis in the streets, chanting for the Death of Palestine, the Death of Lebanon? It dosen't happen.
Yet it is a frequent occurance in the Muslim world to hear the cries for the Death of Israel, The Death of America. It's part of their prayers in the Mosque.
Is Israel's responce disproprtionate. I think so. Do Israeli soldiers treat the people of Palestine abhorrently. I believe they do.
But you keep poking a bear with a stick, he's going to turn around and slap you.
Anonymous quote:
If the Arabs (Moslems) put down their weapons today there would be no more violence. If the Israelis put down their weapons today there would be no more Israel.
Think about it...
izzy - July 17, 2006 04:15 AM (GMT)
Who is on the short list for spending 6 weeks packing the Towers at the WTC with thermate, etc. and 3 mini nukes...? During the unusual power downs the days prior to the attack?
A fairly large group, 40 to 80, had to be in the vacant floors, making squibs to fit, while hearing the people above them and below them working..... and obviously Silverstein knew and agreed to donate his bldgs for the demolition--so Silverststein would go to his office every day, seeing the people he knew their days were numbered,.
Who packed the towers with explosives?
izzy
behind - July 17, 2006 04:30 AM (GMT)
palestine.org
palestinehistory.comAnti-Arabism in IsraelDuring the 2000 October riots, thousands of Jewish Israelis rioted in Nazareth and Tel Aviv,
throwing stones at Arabs, destroying Arab property and chanting "Death to Arabs" [7]. Two Arabs were killed in the violence and Haaretz editorialized that that year's "Yom Kippur will be infamous for the violent, racist outburst by Jews against Arabs within Israel" [8].
...
Some Israeli politicians and leaders have used negative language when discussing Arabs and Palestinians. In 2004, Yehiel Hazan, an Israeli member of parliament, declared at the Knesset that
"The Arabs are worms. You find them everywhere like worms, underground as well as above." and went on to describe them as "murderers" and "terrorists". [29], [30].
Raphael Eitan, former Israel Army Chief, once said
"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." [31].
In 2004, then Deputy Defense Minister Ze'ev Boim asked
"What is it about Islam as a whole and the Palestinians in particular? Is it some form of cultural deprivation? Is it some genetic defect? There is something that defies explanation in this continued murderousness." [32].
...
A comic strip for children was carried in an ultra-Orthodox Jewish weekly, Sh'a Tova, that negatively depicted Arabs, and made the statement,
"Yes, a good Arab is a dead Arab." [35]
wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Arabism
Killtown - July 17, 2006 05:20 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Banned @ Jul 17 2006, 03:38 AM) |
Well there's a reason for genocide.
Who was there first? |
Please go back and answer my question.
Killtown - July 17, 2006 05:22 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (behind @ Jul 17 2006, 04:30 AM) |
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f*ck, I'd be pissed too!
voiceoftruths - July 17, 2006 05:45 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (free_me @ Jul 12 2006, 11:14 PM) |
| QUOTE (voiceoftruths @ Jul 9 2006, 10:40 PM) | | If this doesn't concern Dylan, Korey, or Jason then I think Eric and Daryl Smith have made their points crystal clear. The mainstream media are only going to fund "Truth" films if they don't cover Zionist involvement. |
I think DBS and Eric need to get a grip, as well, you.
Why is it that everyone who doesn't cover the zionists must be a part of the conspiracy? I guess every single author, every single movie maker, every single poster here on these forums, all ought to be jumping up and down and screaming about the zionists?
Is the MSM funding LTW? Who exactly are they funding, that you are aware of, in alternative media... aside from gatekeepers such as Amy Goodman and such?
You know what points Hufschmidt and DBS make? That everyone is in on the zionist conspiracy. Either one is a crypto-jew, or a zionist, if one doesn't agree with them. Oh, or a shill.
(Eric, is that you hiding behind another handle again?)
|
Sorry about the lack of response. Looks like this thread had gone completely off topic, but is now a bit more popular due to the Israeli attack on Lebanon.
To answer why DBS thinks everyone must be part of the conspiracy is simple. First of all I thougt he was a ranting nut at first too. I had been sticking with Alex Jones' theories about "globalists" who were in fact faceless boogeymen. Yes he always seemed to pin the blame on Bush, Cheney, etc., but NEVER ONCE a Jewish Supremacist or Zionist.
I love(d) Alex's stuff, because it's very much true. The problem is that last 5% which is never talked about. Who are these guys pulling the strings above Bush?
Now don't be ignorant enough to tell me that Alex must have simply never heard of Zionism or was simply mis led. There is absolutely NO WAY that in his 10 - 15 years of NWO fighting that he hasn't stumbled across this HUGE missing piece.
Same thing with these Loose Change guys. Come on guys, do your homework a little bit. Listen to some Ted Pike, Texe Marrs, DBS, Eric Hufschmid, Michael Collins Piper, Christopher Bollyn, American Free Press etc., etc.
Dylan, your response was completely useless to this whole forum. Let's hear you explain how you cannot see "any zionist involvement". If you still stick to that stance then at least write a few lines on your stance of Zionism in the rest of current affairs.
Now is the time that people WILL listen to this message because everyone is looking for the TRUTH on why Israel is slaughtering this so called enemy.
Alex Jones FINALLY has some links on www.infowars.com about Zionism!!!! Hooray! Horray! Except.... hear the little video clip of Alex's take on the middle east. He states that "Israel under American control..." or something similar. He doesn't state America under Zionist control. He twists that tiny little piece to make it seem as though Bush is controlling Israel when in fact it is clear as day that ZIonist's have infiltrated the highest levels of American government, media, and education.
Now DBS will probably make comments on all these issues very soon so stay tuned for that.
Check out this other site for more truth on the situation
www.ziopedia.org
voiceoftruths - July 17, 2006 05:49 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (free_me @ Jul 12 2006, 11:14 PM) |
| QUOTE (voiceoftruths @ Jul 9 2006, 10:40 PM) | | If this doesn't concern Dylan, Korey, or Jason then I think Eric and Daryl Smith have made their points crystal clear. The mainstream media are only going to fund "Truth" films if they don't cover Zionist involvement. |
I think DBS and Eric need to get a grip, as well, you.
Why is it that everyone who doesn't cover the zionists must be a part of the conspiracy? I guess every single author, every single movie maker, every single poster here on these forums, all ought to be jumping up and down and screaming about the zionists?
Is the MSM funding LTW? Who exactly are they funding, that you are aware of, in alternative media... aside from gatekeepers such as Amy Goodman and such?
You know what points Hufschmidt and DBS make? That everyone is in on the zionist conspiracy. Either one is a crypto-jew, or a zionist, if one doesn't agree with them. Oh, or a shill.
(Eric, is that you hiding behind another handle again?)
|
Sorry about the lack of response. Looks like this thread had gone completely off topic, but is now a bit more popular due to the Israeli attack on Lebanon.
To answer why DBS thinks everyone must be part of the conspiracy is simple. First of all I thougt he was a ranting nut at first too. I had been sticking with Alex Jones' theories about "globalists" who were in fact faceless boogeymen. Yes he always seemed to pin the blame on Bush, Cheney, etc., but NEVER ONCE a Jewish Supremacist or Zionist.
I love(d) Alex's stuff, because it's very much true. The problem is that last 5% which is never talked about. Who are these guys pulling the strings above Bush?
Now don't be ignorant enough to tell me that Alex must have simply never heard of Zionism or was simply mis led. There is absolutely NO WAY that in his 10 - 15 years of NWO fighting that he hasn't stumbled across this HUGE missing piece.
Same thing with these Loose Change guys. Come on guys, do your homework a little bit. Listen to some Ted Pike, Texe Marrs, DBS, Eric Hufschmid, Michael Collins Piper, Christopher Bollyn, American Free Press etc., etc.
Dylan, your response was completely useless to this whole forum. Let's hear you explain how you cannot see "any zionist involvement". If you still stick to that stance then at least write a few lines on your stance of Zionism in the rest of current affairs.
Now is the time that people WILL listen to this message because everyone is looking for the TRUTH on why Israel is slaughtering this so called enemy.
Alex Jones FINALLY has some links on www.infowars.com about Zionism!!!! Hooray! Horray! Except.... hear the little video clip of Alex's take on the middle east. He states that "Israel under American control..." or something similar. He doesn't state America under Zionist control. He twists that tiny little piece to make it seem as though Bush is controlling Israel when in fact it is clear as day that ZIonist's have infiltrated the highest levels of American government, media, and education.
Now DBS will probably make comments on all these issues very soon so stay tuned for that.
Check out this other site for more truth on the situation
www.ziopedia.org
voiceoftruths - July 17, 2006 05:54 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (free_me @ Jul 12 2006, 11:14 PM) |
| QUOTE (voiceoftruths @ Jul 9 2006, 10:40 PM) | | If this doesn't concern Dylan, Korey, or Jason then I think Eric and Daryl Smith have made their points crystal clear. The mainstream media are only going to fund "Truth" films if they don't cover Zionist involvement. |
I think DBS and Eric need to get a grip, as well, you.
Why is it that everyone who doesn't cover the zionists must be a part of the conspiracy? I guess every single author, every single movie maker, every single poster here on these forums, all ought to be jumping up and down and screaming about the zionists?
Is the MSM funding LTW? Who exactly are they funding, that you are aware of, in alternative media... aside from gatekeepers such as Amy Goodman and such?
You know what points Hufschmidt and DBS make? That everyone is in on the zionist conspiracy. Either one is a crypto-jew, or a zionist, if one doesn't agree with them. Oh, or a shill.
(Eric, is that you hiding behind another handle again?)
|
Sorry about the lack of response. Looks like this thread had gone completely off topic, but is now a bit more popular due to the Israeli attack on Lebanon.
To answer why DBS thinks everyone must be part of the conspiracy is simple. First of all I thougt he was a ranting nut at first too. I had been sticking with Alex Jones' theories about "globalists" who were in fact faceless boogeymen. Yes he always seemed to pin the blame on Bush, Cheney, etc., but NEVER ONCE a Jewish Supremacist or Zionist.
I love(d) Alex's stuff, because it's very much true. The problem is that last 5% which is never talked about. Who are these guys pulling the strings above Bush?
Now don't be ignorant enough to tell me that Alex must have simply never heard of Zionism or was simply mis led. There is absolutely NO WAY that in his 10 - 15 years of NWO fighting that he hasn't stumbled across this HUGE missing piece.
Same thing with these Loose Change guys. Come on guys, do your homework a little bit. Listen to some Ted Pike, Texe Marrs, DBS, Eric Hufschmid, Michael Collins Piper, Christopher Bollyn, American Free Press etc., etc.
Dylan, your response was completely useless to this whole forum. Let's hear you explain how you cannot see "any zionist involvement". If you still stick to that stance then at least write a few lines on your stance of Zionism in the rest of current affairs.
Now is the time that people WILL listen to this message because everyone is looking for the TRUTH on why Israel is slaughtering this so called enemy.
Alex Jones FINALLY has some links on www.infowars.com about Zionism!!!! Hooray! Horray! Except.... hear the little video clip of Alex's take on the middle east. He states that "Israel under American control..." or something similar. He doesn't state America under Zionist control. He twists that tiny little piece to make it seem as though Bush is controlling Israel when in fact it is clear as day that ZIonist's have infiltrated the highest levels of American government, media, and education.
Now DBS will probably make comments on all these issues very soon so stay tuned for that.
Check out this other site for more truth on the situation
www.ziopedia.org
Banned - July 17, 2006 06:05 AM (GMT)
Behind
How did the palestinians come to loose their land?
"Since 1948 the relentless cry of the Arabs has been to liquidate Israel, which they have attempted to do in several wars. Israelis live under the constant threat of all-out destruction by the surrounding Arab nations, which outnumber them nearly 50 to 1. Had Israel been left in peace she would never have enlarged her borders. The Arabs have reaped the results of their own greed and hatred, which frustrates and angers them all the more. The extension of Israel's boundaries has only taken place as a result of wars she has been forced to fight in order to defend her very existence against an enemy sworn to exterminate her. "
| QUOTE |
Some Israeli politicians and leaders have used negative language when discussing Arabs and Palestinians. In 2004, Yehiel Hazan, an Israeli member of parliament, declared at the Knesset that "The Arabs are worms. You find them everywhere like worms, underground as well as above." and went on to describe them as "murderers" and "terrorists". [29], [30].
Raphael Eitan, former Israel Army Chief, once said "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." [31].
In 2004, then Deputy Defense Minister Ze'ev Boim asked "What is it about Islam as a whole and the Palestinians in particular? Is it some form of cultural deprivation? Is it some genetic defect? There is something that defies explanation in this continued murderousness." [32]. ... A comic strip for children was carried in an ultra-Orthodox Jewish weekly, Sh'a Tova, that negatively depicted Arabs, and made the statement, "Yes, a good Arab is a dead Arab." [35] |
Exery country has it's radicals in goverment, lok at the US. But it's a little different for some politician to be spouting off, as opposed to it being your countries Covenant, it's stated
Goals'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will
obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)
"Hezbollah supports the destruction of the state of Israel[43] and co-operates with other militant Islamic organizations such as Hamas in order to promote this goal."
I'm sure we both could dig up a bunch of
articles"A Saudi government-approved newspaper published a column asserting that Jews use the blood of teenagers to make a special pastry associated with the March holiday of Purim, according to the Middle East Media Research Institute, which provided a translation.
"This holiday has some dangerous customs that will, no doubt, horrify you, and I apologize if any reader is harmed because of this," wrote Dr. Umayma Ahmad Al-Jalahma of King Faisal University in a column published March 10. "
But don't you fin this a little curious......
According to Freedom House, a Washington-based group that promotes democracy, of the world's 47 Muslim countries, only Mali is free. Sixty percent are not free, and 38% are partly free. Muslim-majority states account for a majority of the world's "not free" states. And of the 10 "worst of the worst," seven are Islamic states. Why is this?
Or this...
If Israeli occupation is the reason for Muslim terror in Israel, why do no Christian Palestinians engage in terror? They are just as nationalistic and just as occupied as Muslim Palestinians.
Even this..
Young girls in Indonesia were recently beheaded by Muslim murderers. Last year, Muslims — in the name of Islam — murdered hundreds of schoolchildren in Russia. While reciting Muslim prayers, Islamic terrorists take foreigners working to make Iraq free and slaughter them. Muslim daughters are murdered by their own families in the thousands in "honor killings." And the Muslim government in Iran has publicly called for the extermination of Israel.
And Killtown.
The answer is yes.