View Full Version: Why No-plane Pentagon Theories Should Be Avoided

Loose Change Forum > Alt. Theories: "How it was done" > Why No-plane Pentagon Theories Should Be Avoided



Title: Why No-plane Pentagon Theories Should Be Avoided


LiveFreeOrDieTryin - July 11, 2006 03:53 AM (GMT)
Was it a missile? Were there explosives in a garbage truck? How could the pilot pull of those maneuvers when he could barely drive? Did they divert traffic before the attacks? Was the blue tarp used to cover the remains of the missile? And so on...

Any rationally thinking person knows that a guy who could barely drive a car certainly couldn’t have pulled off those maneuvers which stun even the most experienced pilot, and he certainly couldn’t have flown across the pentagon lawn without leaving a scratch, disappearing into that tiny little hole whilst simultaneously pulverizing the plane into tiny pieces you could pick up in your hand. Even a child would have difficulty believing that one.

Are the people who orchestrated 911 stupid? Are they really so arrogant that they think they can just sweep all of this under the rug with more propaganda and lies? Perhaps they thought the 911 tragedy would be so awful that people simply wouldn’t ask the hard questions… But people are asking the questions, this movement is growing every day, discussion forums are buzzing with activity and videos being spread like wildfire. The movement seems almost unstoppable.

But what if these people who orchestrated 911 were not simply arrogant and stupid, but rather, deceitful and calculative? What if they preemptively took steps to ensure that movement would fail? What if the plane that hit the pentagon was remote controlled? Wouldn’t that explain how it could have pulled off such maneuvers? Wouldn’t that explain how it flew across the Pentagon lawn without leaving a scratch? And what if the section of the pentagon that was struck had been designed to absorb the impact? Wouldn’t that explain why there wasn’t much visible evidence of the plane left? What if they then carried away any remaining pieces of the plane, detonated a few car bombs to mess things up and then cherry picked frames from the pentagon video and inserted something looking like a missile?

The official story of the pentagon attack may be hard to believe but it’s probably not far from the truth. The attack was designed from the very beginning to be as suspicious as possible, it was intended to become one of the central issues of the 911 debate. This way, when this movement reaches a critical mass a video will be released which shows the plane flying into the pentagon and in a single moment everything we have worked for will be flushed down the toilet.

Alex Jones always avoids the pentagon theories in his quest for truth, he never put anything about the pentagon attack in his movies and he would never use it as evidence when being interviewed by the mainstream media. Weaker parties have accused him of acting as a gatekeeper but that couldn’t be further from the truth, he is simply doing his best to guide the movement away from a blatantly obvious trap.

To conclude I ask that you seriously consider everything I have said in this article and remember that this is more than a truth movement, this is an Information War.

8bitagent - July 11, 2006 04:07 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (LiveFreeOrDieTryin @ Jul 11 2006, 03:53 AM)
But what if these people who orchestrated 911 were not simply arrogant and stupid, but rather, deceitful and calculative? What if they preemptively took steps to ensure that movement would fail? What if the plane that hit the pentagon was remote controlled? Wouldn’t that explain how it could have pulled off such maneuvers? Wouldn’t that explain how it flew across the Pentagon lawn without leaving a scratch? And what if the section of the pentagon that was struck had been designed to absorb the impact? Wouldn’t that explain why there wasn’t much visible evidence of the plane left? What if they then carried away any remaining pieces of the plane, detonated a few car bombs to mess things up and then cherry picked frames from the pentagon video and inserted something looking like a missile?

The official story of the pentagon attack may be hard to believe but it’s probably not far from the truth. The attack was designed from the very beginning to be as suspicious as possible, it was intended to become one of the central issues of the 911 debate. This way, when this movement reaches a critical mass a video will be released which shows the plane flying into the pentagon and in a single moment everything we have worked for will be flushed down the toilet.

BINGO. You just articulated pretty much my every thought on the Pentagon.
I just don't buy that people were placing fake AA parts...because it seems logical that what hit the pentagon WAS MADE to look like an AA plane.
anyways, this is one of the best pieces on the subject.

Factor in the fact Cheney made sure noone shot it down, and where it hit, and everything else and [thumbsup]

chucksheen - July 11, 2006 04:11 AM (GMT)
IMO, Cheney was guiding the A3 Skywarrior.

Even Operation Northwoods covers dumping fake parts. It happend in Shankesville and WTC.

chewysguitar - July 11, 2006 05:14 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
Wouldn’t that explain how it could have pulled off such maneuvers? Wouldn’t that explain how it flew across the Pentagon lawn without leaving a scratch?


It's possible that a plane certainly did hit the pentagon, but a 757, I personally don't think so. Maybe a smaller plane that was made to look like an AA. And I think it probably was remote controlled anyway.

QUOTE
And what if the section of the pentagon that was struck had been designed to absorb the impact? Wouldn’t that explain why there wasn’t much visible evidence of the plane left?


I heard that section was under construction or was constructed to with new walls or something, plus not many people were in that area during the impact. Again there could've been a small plane, but the 757 just does not fit the hole. Check out MERC's analysis.

QUOTE
What if they then carried away any remaining pieces of the plane, detonated a few car bombs to mess things up and then cherry picked frames from the pentagon video and inserted something looking like a missile?


here's my question: Where are the videos!!!! They should have video of all 24 hours of september 11, all around the impact zone. Then we will know what happened, if there were people placing plane parts, if car bombs went off, etc etc etc.

QUOTE
Alex Jones always avoids the pentagon theories in his quest for truth


I respect Alex Jones, but I think he should touch on the pentagon more. Maybe he's just too busy researching other facts, related to 9/11, police state, etc so he probably might not have time to research it, but that's ok, he's not the only voice in the community, we have plenty of pentagon researchers.

I personally don't think this is a trap. I think we should all be informed about the pentagon, but not to conclude that for sure a missle hit or for sure a plane hit, because we really do not know until they release those videos. After all, the pentagon is part of the 9/11 attacks, so why ignore it?

LiveFreeOrDieTryin - July 11, 2006 05:50 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (chewysguitar @ Jul 11 2006, 05:14 AM)
QUOTE
Wouldn’t that explain how it could have pulled off such maneuvers? Wouldn’t that explain how it flew across the Pentagon lawn without leaving a scratch?


It's possible that a plane certainly did hit the pentagon, but a 757, I personally don't think so. Maybe a smaller plane that was made to look like an AA. And I think it probably was remote controlled anyway.

QUOTE
And what if the section of the pentagon that was struck had been designed to absorb the impact? Wouldn’t that explain why there wasn’t much visible evidence of the plane left?


I heard that section was under construction or was constructed to with new walls or something, plus not many people were in that area during the impact. Again there could've been a small plane, but the 757 just does not fit the hole. Check out MERC's analysis.

QUOTE
What if they then carried away any remaining pieces of the plane, detonated a few car bombs to mess things up and then cherry picked frames from the pentagon video and inserted something looking like a missile?


here's my question: Where are the videos!!!! They should have video of all 24 hours of september 11, all around the impact zone. Then we will know what happened, if there were people placing plane parts, if car bombs went off, etc etc etc.

QUOTE
Alex Jones always avoids the pentagon theories in his quest for truth


I respect Alex Jones, but I think he should touch on the pentagon more. Maybe he's just too busy researching other facts, related to 9/11, police state, etc so he probably might not have time to research it, but that's ok, he's not the only voice in the community, we have plenty of pentagon researchers.

I personally don't think this is a trap. I think we should all be informed about the pentagon, but not to conclude that for sure a missle hit or for sure a plane hit, because we really do not know until they release those videos. After all, the pentagon is part of the 9/11 attacks, so why ignore it?

You personally don't think it was a 757? You are assuming that the people who planned 911 were stupid enough to stand on there own foot.

It is entirely possible that a 757 hit the pentagon, especially if it was guided into a pre-designated section of the pentagon using a beacon + remote control.

The section of the pentagon that was struck was bieng renovated.. Possibly so it could absorb the force of a 757 strike.. There is no reason why a 757 couldn't of crashed there.. If it was blown up with explosives that would explain the lack of wreckage.

The videos are bieng held back - as I mention in my article - until the movement reaches a point of critical mass... They will then be released to debunk the pentagon no-plane theorys and ultimately debunk the whole 911 conspiracy

I'm glad you respect Alex Jones, because he is one of the biggest reasons this movement is having such success.. He won't touch on the pentagon because he knows its a trap :)

We should not assume that a missle hit the pentagon, we should assume that the people who carried out the 911 attacks were smart enough to prepare for all of this.

Hound - July 11, 2006 09:38 AM (GMT)
So what are you saying? We should not speculate about what hit the pentagon? Because , we will get fooled, when the Gov't presents the videooclips?

Waiting for them Videoclips, seem rather dumb too me.

I think all options should be kept open regarding what hit the Pentagon. A missile, an A3 0r a combination.

Hell, it could even be a 757, but I strongly doubt it...

pr0mythius - July 11, 2006 10:18 AM (GMT)
if it was a 757 that hit the pentagon ... and the building was renovated to withstand a 757 strike .. then where the hell were the peices of the plane? it could not have disentigrated. could it possibly have fused itself with the building on a molecular level? [thmdwn]

chewysguitar - July 13, 2006 03:31 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (LiveFreeOrDieTryin @ Jul 11 2006, 05:50 AM)
QUOTE (chewysguitar @ Jul 11 2006, 05:14 AM)
QUOTE
Wouldn’t that explain how it could have pulled off such maneuvers? Wouldn’t that explain how it flew across the Pentagon lawn without leaving a scratch?


It's possible that a plane certainly did hit the pentagon, but a 757, I personally don't think so. Maybe a smaller plane that was made to look like an AA. And I think it probably was remote controlled anyway.

QUOTE
And what if the section of the pentagon that was struck had been designed to absorb the impact? Wouldn’t that explain why there wasn’t much visible evidence of the plane left?


I heard that section was under construction or was constructed to with new walls or something, plus not many people were in that area during the impact. Again there could've been a small plane, but the 757 just does not fit the hole. Check out MERC's analysis.

QUOTE
What if they then carried away any remaining pieces of the plane, detonated a few car bombs to mess things up and then cherry picked frames from the pentagon video and inserted something looking like a missile?


here's my question: Where are the videos!!!! They should have video of all 24 hours of september 11, all around the impact zone. Then we will know what happened, if there were people placing plane parts, if car bombs went off, etc etc etc.

QUOTE
Alex Jones always avoids the pentagon theories in his quest for truth


I respect Alex Jones, but I think he should touch on the pentagon more. Maybe he's just too busy researching other facts, related to 9/11, police state, etc so he probably might not have time to research it, but that's ok, he's not the only voice in the community, we have plenty of pentagon researchers.

I personally don't think this is a trap. I think we should all be informed about the pentagon, but not to conclude that for sure a missle hit or for sure a plane hit, because we really do not know until they release those videos. After all, the pentagon is part of the 9/11 attacks, so why ignore it?

You personally don't think it was a 757? You are assuming that the people who planned 911 were stupid enough to stand on there own foot.

It is entirely possible that a 757 hit the pentagon, especially if it was guided into a pre-designated section of the pentagon using a beacon + remote control.

The section of the pentagon that was struck was bieng renovated.. Possibly so it could absorb the force of a 757 strike.. There is no reason why a 757 couldn't of crashed there.. If it was blown up with explosives that would explain the lack of wreckage.

The videos are bieng held back - as I mention in my article - until the movement reaches a point of critical mass... They will then be released to debunk the pentagon no-plane theorys and ultimately debunk the whole 911 conspiracy

I'm glad you respect Alex Jones, because he is one of the biggest reasons this movement is having such success.. He won't touch on the pentagon because he knows its a trap :)

We should not assume that a missle hit the pentagon, we should assume that the people who carried out the 911 attacks were smart enough to prepare for all of this.

I still disagree though. We have plenty of people in the movement that focus on a variety of subjects on 9/11. We have people doing research on the towers, flight 93, and we also have people focusing on the pentagon. I don't know who said the pentagon is the biggest smoking gun because I don't believe it is, the entire 9/11 was a smoking gun.

But have you checked out Russell's site: http://www.pentagonresearch.com/ ???

He presents a variety of research and evidence to show that it's questionable that a 757 hit the pentagon.

I don't know what Alex Jones is thinking, but he never claimed the pentagon area is a trap because there was a 757 that hit it. Alex Jones specializes more on the Police state and uses 9/11 as evidence, he doesn't do brutal research into the actual events of 9/11 such as the pentagon or flight 93, although he does have a fair share of evidence on all the subjects.

I mean if you don't want to focus on it, that's great, we have plenty of people that are focusing on the pentagon, that's why this movement is so great, we have expertise in all facets of 9/11.

LiveFreeOrDieTryin - July 13, 2006 04:22 AM (GMT)
Wrong, Alex Jones has more or less said its a trap.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/pe...ane_release.htm

QUOTE

This is an obvious setup and we believe that within a few months they will release crystal clear footage and place all the weight of the 9/11 conspiracy on that video.



Get cho facts str8

clanabis - July 15, 2006 01:33 PM (GMT)
In support of the "Pentagon Trap" theory I've thought that it was extremely peculiar that Rumsfeld would blurt out something about a missile hitting the Pentagon in that interview with Parade Magazine.

http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/200...01_t1012pm.html


It seems like he may have been planting a seed in the minds of many Americans. For what purpose? Also, why is this article featured on a DOD website with such an absurd word choice from Rumsfeld? This may be a subtle psyop in my opinion.

TheTruth - July 17, 2006 01:00 PM (GMT)
Let us not forget those bogus Pentagon frames released last May.

If that's all the proof of a 757 strike the government can muster up, anybody can plainly see that they're hiding something.

Enough said...

beached - July 19, 2006 10:50 AM (GMT)
The recent video released by the pentagon "claiming" to show Flight 77 hit the building was too suspicious for words. If they had nothing to hide, all they would have had to do is release footage from one of the many other security cameras surrounding the building. Yet not only does this footage not show any trace of a 757, in just one frame where the nose of something is visible (albeit very blurry) it leads to the conclusing that this was rather a much smaller, possibly military aircraft.

I'm somewhat skeptical of the theory that no plane hit the building and that it was just a missile. I think this is a little less likely. However, if it were a smaller, military jet piloted by remote control it could have let off a missile similar to a Hellfire AGM-114N just before slamming into the building. This would account for the smell of cordite and bright-white explosion, as well as the damage to the inner rings of the pentagon which could never have been made by the impact of a 757. The nose would have most likely disintegrated on impact with the outer wall.

The idea of a missile being fired just before impact seems quite plausable, especially if you watch the impacts of both planes hitting the WTC. There is a bright-flash just before the bodys of the planes make contact with the buildings. This could be a flare or similar missile used to boost the overall impact of the explosions. That kind of special effects work would in Hollywood guarantee nomination for an oscar!

Bull - July 20, 2006 06:59 AM (GMT)
A 757 did NOT hit the Pentagon.

THIS site proves it. I think what hit the Pentagon may have looked like a plane to some people (Global Hawk's DO look like planes...just not jumbo jets). But what hit the Pentagon was definently NOT a commercial airliner, jumbo jet, 757. I think there's been a lot of misinfo put out there to confuse people. I also don't think a missle was shot at the Pentagon...or a bomb was set off inside it...something did hit it, it just wasn't a 757.

I think a lot of people are just getting spooked over the possibility of the government releasing more videos of something that actually looks like a plane...so they're saying a 757 COULD have hit the Pentagon (in the interest of not being wrong). NO, it couldn't! Global Hawks LOOK like planes and can be mistaken for one.

Sanders - July 20, 2006 07:18 AM (GMT)
Intriguing theory

I'm inclined to believe it, more or less.
Mainly cause I think they have the technology to very convincingly fake the security camera videos - they had plenty of time before releasing them. Heck, if they wanted, they could duplicate a real Pentagon facade, park identical cars with identical license plates around it, and fly a real 757 into the fake building just like on a movie set and then release that - there'd be no way to tell it was faked. They have that kind of money and ability. Why they would release suspicious frames time stamped from the wrong day that show nothing makes no sense.

Don't know if you're right, but excellent work LFODT.

beached - July 20, 2006 10:13 AM (GMT)
Well, I have my reservations as to whether they would go to the lengths of recreating an actual 757 hitting the pentagon for the purposes of disinformation, however, i'm in no doubt that they have the funding and resources to do this. I think this would be something they would turn to as a last resort, but i'd keep an open mind to it :)

LiveFreeOrDieTryin - September 8, 2006 01:59 PM (GMT)
*bumps this thread*

We need to focus our attention on the facts and avoid the conspiracy theories.

jazzcomedian - October 5, 2006 05:48 PM (GMT)
I think its odd that a person was flying a plane at all. I believe a 757 did hit the Pentagon...a remote controlled one. The types of manuevers would be difficult for a trained pilot much less an untrained Muslim terrorist.

I don't think people could be making phone calls with these types of manuevers going on either.

Sanders - October 5, 2006 06:43 PM (GMT)
LFODT, I have to say I love your signature [crylol]

George Hayduke - October 6, 2006 01:41 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (LiveFreeOrDieTryin @ Jul 11 2006, 03:53 AM)
The attack was designed from the very beginning to be as suspicious as possible, it was intended to become one of the central issues of the 911 debate.

You're kidding, right? You expect me to believe that they planned ahead because they were scared of little old me and what I was going to talk about and set traps for me so they could destroy me? Wrong. These guys think we are stupid. They know they own the media. Ergo, they didn't set any traps. Geeze you people are paranoid. I mean, seriously, look at WTC 7. They are flaunting it, FLAUNTING IT! They're saying you are so stupid we can bring this building down into a pile of dust in an act of controlled demolition in broad daylight and there isn't shit you can do about it. With WTC 7 they are flaunting how stupid they think we are. With WTC 7 they are flaunting their possession of the media and flaunting their ability to cover it up.

So quit trying to divide us. There were no traps set. They are not afraid of you, me, us. They think we are stupid and they most certainly don't need traps being that they own the media.

The Pentagon is fair game.

free_me - October 11, 2006 05:26 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sanders @ Oct 5 2006, 12:43 PM)
LFODT, I have to say I love your signature  [crylol]

I didn't realize that Watson was worthy of such ridicule... I'm wondering if someone might point the way to the posts that led to this childish behavior of changing his sig.

e: typo.




Hosted for free by InvisionFree