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Title: Enron Witness Found Dead In Park
Description: In north-east London


LondonEye - July 12, 2006 05:38 PM (GMT)
WTF

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A body found in north-east London has been identified as a banker who was questioned by the FBI about the Enron fraud case.

Police said they were treating the death of Neil Coulbeck, who worked for the Royal Bank of Scotland until 2004, as "unexplained".

e-dog - July 12, 2006 05:42 PM (GMT)
If the FBI'd investigate this they'd say " Osama did it" or " London is under attack by terrorists!" which is ofcourse total BS.

btw- i think gouvernment-involvement, what do you think?


IT ;)

broodlinger - July 12, 2006 05:44 PM (GMT)
I think he died of natural causes while recovering from a heart attack on vacation in London.

Sanders - July 12, 2006 05:48 PM (GMT)
I don't know WHAT'S up with Enron. First Ken Lay dies and now this? There must be some dark secret that we don't know about. I read yesterday about direct talks that took place between the Taliban and Enron officials, and about an Enron project that involved Iran.

I once joked that a movie that really explained 9/11 would be 5 hours long. I take that back - it would take 10 HOURS.

Seabhcan - July 12, 2006 05:51 PM (GMT)
This is connected with the "Natwest Three" and the US-UK extradition treaty. After 9/11 the UK signed a new extradition treaty with the US saying that anybody the US wants will be arrested and deported to the US. No evidence needs to be presented.

The treaty was supposed to be only about terrorists so it passed through parliament quickly (as in "What do we care about brown people being deported to the US?") but so far it has only ever been used in white collar crime cases.

Anybody extradited under the rules says in a US federal prison until trial - no bail - and trial in these complex cases can take years.

And the US hasn't ratified the treaty - so it is one way traffic - only UK residents can be deported to the US.

I've read that of all people accused of a federal crime in the US, 96% plead guilty, 2% are convicted and 2% let free. The unofficial policy is that if you are arrested, they will leave you rot until you plead guilty to something. A guy I know, a Palestinian living in LA who sent money to his brother, spent 3 years in prison waiting for trail (they said he was money laundering) until he gave in and pleaded guilty. They let him out on time served. Thats how they get the 96%

LondonEye - July 12, 2006 06:00 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sanders @ Jul 12 2006, 05:48 PM)
I don't know WHAT'S up with Enron.  First Ken Lay dies and now this?  There must be some dark secret that we don't know about.  I read yesterday about direct talks that took place between the Taliban and Enron officials, and about an Enron project that involved Iran.

I once joked that a movie that really explained 9/11 would be 5 hours long.  I take that back - it would take 10 HOURS.

Hey Sanders [salute]

You made some good points, in your pipeline thread...

Which is now in the "Who benefits" research section...


Dahbol Power Plant In India, Enron / Afghan Pipeline

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...?showtopic=7347


All the best

LE
[thumbsup]

Sanders - July 12, 2006 06:14 PM (GMT)
Thanks London Eye, for finding a good place for it, I appreciate it. Enron, the Bush Dynasty, bin Laden and his family and Bush connections, the neocons and Israel and the Rothschilds, the neocons and the Defense Policy Board and the Carlyle group and the Bush's again, Dresser and Halliburton and the Bush ticket, Halliburton and Caspian oil and gas and Enron again and the Rothschilds again arbitrating the sale of an Enron power plant that Ken Lay built that was Bush's #1 campaign contributor that is dead along with a host of others, dollars and the Fed and Hitler and the CFR and Brzezinzki and the bar association and ... the connections are staggering. I can't believe people still argue about whether or not the WTC was imploded or not. Get past it, the proof is in what's behind the curtain !

(The Wizard of Oz it seems was a commentary on this very subject. Toto - in latin the people, the ignorant total masses that bark and pull back the curtain to expose the 'wizard' who hands out certificates in place of hearts and brains and courage)

TheQuest - July 12, 2006 06:14 PM (GMT)
Actually,

That makes the Enron toll at three.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/01/25/enron.suicide/

SUGAR LAND, Texas (CNN) -- Former Enron Corp. vice chairman J. Clifford Baxter was found dead in his car in a Houston suburb early Friday, the victim of an apparent suicide, police said.

Baxter made millions on the sale of Enron stock, but reportedly was unhappy with Enron's business practices and resigned as vice chairman in May. He had remained as an Enron consultant.

Enron, once a giant energy corporation, has collapsed in the biggest bankruptcy filing in U.S. history amid accusations of mishandling of funds and shredding of crucial documents. Enron and its accounting firm, Andersen LLP, are under congressional investigation.

Congressional sources told CNN that Baxter, 43, had been among several Enron officials that investigators had wanted to interview. And the Senate's Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, led by Michigan Democrat Carl Levin, D-Michigan, had asked for documents from Baxter as part of a batch of subpoenas sent out January 11.

J. Clifford Baxter and Enron
Baxter made a profit of $21,980,470 from selling more than 600,000 shares of Enron stock since October of 1998.

One of 29 former and current Enron executives and board members named as defendants in shareholder lawsuit.

Resigned as vice chairman in May of 2001, but continued working for Enron as a consultant.

Baxter "complained mightily to [then-Enron President and CEO Jeff] Skilling and all who would listen about the inappropriateness of our transactions with LJM (a limited partnership)," Enron Vice President Sherron Watkins wrote in August 2001.

In weeks before his death, Senate subcommittee subpoenaed Baxter documents and House committee investigators tried to arrange a meeting with him.



Police in Sugar Land said Baxter was found in his 2002 Mercedes Benz with a gunshot wound to the head at 2:23 a.m. Friday.

"He was discovered inside a vehicle parked between two medians," police spokeswoman Pat Whitty said. "A suicide note was found at the scene. There was no sign of foul play. Inside his wallet was an ID indicating he was an employee of Enron."

Baxter was among the Enron officers and directors who made massive profits cashing in on Enron stock options, netting nearly $22 million since October 1998, according to records of stock exchange transactions.

Thomson Market Strategies, a CNN consultant, said Baxter sold more than 600,000 shares of Enron on the open market during the period, including nearly 490,000 he had bought at bargain prices. The trades were often made on the same day, using options granted to him by Enron. His total profits, after deducting the cost of exercising options, was $21,980,470.

Sanders - July 12, 2006 06:17 PM (GMT)
Like I said, there's some really dark secret that no one knows, even darker that what's been made public, if that's possible. It's like a freaking movie.

Killtown - July 12, 2006 07:54 PM (GMT)
LE,

start and pin a permenent Enron/Ken Lay's "death" thread so we can keep on top of this.

datars - July 12, 2006 08:01 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Killtown @ Jul 12 2006, 12:54 PM)
LE,

start and pin a permenent Enron/Ken Lay's "death" thread so we can keep on top of this.

Merging / Pinning all the Enron stuff is not a bad idea

TheQuest - July 13, 2006 03:14 AM (GMT)
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/...on/15018905.htm

Is Ken Lay faking his death?

MONEY AND LIFE

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Is Ken Lay faking his death?
By EUGENE ROBINSON
eugenerobinson@washpost.com
Adolf Hitler, Elvis Presley, Tupac Shakur. And now Ken Lay?

It's easy to understand why so many conspiracy theorists were convinced that Hitler had staged his supposed death and somehow escaped the smoking rubble of Berlin; he was one of history's greatest monsters, a man responsible for millions of deaths, and it wasn't that much of a stretch to believe he had one last evil trick up his sleeve.

The fans who for years clung to the hope that Elvis was still alive, on the other hand, simply loved their King so much that they couldn't bear to believe he was gone.

And as for Tupac, it will be easier for deniers to accept the Byronic rapper's death when the music industry stops putting out new Tupac records. The man has been so prolific from his Big Recording Studio in the Sky that even I have to wonder. Before comedian Dave Chappelle fled his $50 million contract with Comedy Central, he finished a hilarious sketch -- broadcast by the cable channel Sunday night -- in which dance club patrons are unnerved by a newly released ''posthumous'' Tupac song that mentions events that took place long after Tupac's death, including the election of George W. Bush. By the end of the sketch, the song is describing the action on the dance floor that instant.

Hitler, Elvis and Tupac were all icons. So the existence of a website called kenlayisalive.org that places the Enron founder in that pantheon must mean Lay is now an icon, too.

Almost immediately after Lay's death was reported last Wednesday, Internet bloggers began speculating that he had somehow faked his demise, which ''conveniently'' came just before his sentencing -- doubtless to a well-deserved term in prison -- for his role in what was arguably the most spectacular business fraud in American history.

''I wonder how many doctors you need to bribe to fake your own death,'' wrote Scott Adams, creator of the comic strip Dilbert, in his blog. ``Is one enough? Or is there some special double-checking that the police do if the guy is heading for prison? I'm sure there's a body, but I wonder if it's his.''

Lay's sudden demise -- and no, I haven't seen the body, but I'm pretty sure they did a lot of double-checking -- obviously leaves many people with a feeling of having been cheated yet again. The man was found guilty of swindling good, honest, hard-working people out of hundreds of millions of dollars, and just when he was about to be sent to jail where he would spend the rest of his life in hopeless despair, the swindler escaped his punishment by dying. How convenient.

Millions stashed away

Those feelings are understandable, if not quite logical. Imagine that the sentencing judge had had the power to order Lay put to death. Wouldn't we have considered that a harsher punishment than a long prison term? And wouldn't Lay, with his folksy charm, have found a way to survive in relative comfort behind bars? How long would it have been before the prison guards were bringing him extra food in exchange for stock tips?

Still, his death seems hard to accept. His trial and conviction had certified him as a bona fide evil genius, a master illusionist who could fill sheets of paper with meaningless numbers and convince gullible employees and investors that they were seeing an actual company and actual profits. Enron was built on shakier foundations than your average Ponzi scheme, yet Lay was smart enough to fool all the analysts and accountants, at least long enough to rake off an enormous fortune for himself.

Is he the kind of man who would stash a few million in some super-secret offshore tax haven where investigators would never find it? And who, on the eve of being sent to prison, might be clever enough to find a way to reunite himself with those ill-gotten gains? Perhaps on some tropical beach?

Only in the movies, I'm afraid. And anyway, I doubt that beach is big enough for him and Tupac.


After the murder of the latest Enron witness, if Lay was actually dead, I'd say, "Only in the movies, I'm afraid".

Sanders - July 13, 2006 03:44 AM (GMT)

chucksheen - July 13, 2006 03:57 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sanders @ Jul 12 2006, 08:44 PM)
Kindof funny
http://kenlayisalive.org/

[rock]

broodlinger - July 13, 2006 10:53 AM (GMT)
>Before comedian Dave Chappelle fled his $50 million contract with Comedy Central, he finished a hilarious sketch -- broadcast by the cable channel Sunday night -- in which dance club patrons are unnerved by a newly released ''posthumous'' Tupac song that mentions events that took place long after Tupac's death, including the election of George W. Bush. By the end of the sketch, the song is describing the action on the dance floor that instant.

Cool...

chucksheen - July 13, 2006 12:13 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (broodlinger @ Jul 13 2006, 03:53 AM)
>Before comedian Dave Chappelle fled his $50 million contract with Comedy Central, he finished a hilarious sketch -- broadcast by the cable channel Sunday night -- in which dance club patrons are unnerved by a newly released ''posthumous'' Tupac song that mentions events that took place long after Tupac's death, including the election of George W. Bush. By the end of the sketch, the song is describing the action on the dance floor that instant.

Cool...

:lol:

That sounds great. Any chance of a link from YouTube or something?

BTW, the following people among many other prominent figures snuck into the Lay funeral which I'm assuming was closed casket. Lay was compared to Jesus and MLK jr. His friends and family should be ashamed of themselves.

James Baker
houston mayer who testified in trial
Bush senior and Barbara


damooter - July 13, 2006 05:04 PM (GMT)
Don't want to hijack the thread but does anyone else think the Halliburton announcement could be linked to this somehow?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5174270.stm

that has got to be the most lucrative contract in history, something stinks to me.

but then the smell could be the cheesy Dick that used to run the show.... ;)

chucksheen - July 13, 2006 06:38 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (damooter @ Jul 13 2006, 10:04 AM)
Don't want to hijack the thread but does anyone else think the Halliburton announcement could be linked to this somehow?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5174270.stm

that has got to be the most lucrative contract in history, something stinks to me.

but then the smell could be the cheesy Dick that used to run the show.... ;)

I don't doubt the same players are in this situation but I don't see a direct link between Enrongate and Halliburtongate.




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