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| Merc |
Posted: Aug 28 2006, 03:40 PM
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Veterano ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,466 Member No.: 1,066 Joined: 6-April 06 |
*NOTE*: The views expressed here are Merc's and Merc's only. This has nothing to do with Russell Pickering, Louder Than Words Productions nor the content contained in the upcoming LCFC. Their views are completely different and seperate from my own. ![]() While in DC/VA, we had set up an interview with Father Stephen McGraw, an Opus Dei Priest who was on Rt. 27 just as Flight 77 allegedly passed over his car by 20 ft. A little history on Father McGraw. He was a trial attorney for the US DoJ (Department of Justice) for 5 years prior to becoming a man of the cloth. He had told us that he became a priest only a couple months before 9/11. He told us his story pretty much as it is told in published accounts. Very little variance. He at first said that the plane had hit the some light poles that had struck a cab. After I questioned him further on this, he admitted that he deduced this after the fact and hadn't actually seen the plane strike the poles, in turn striking the cab. I made sure to get him on camera admitting he used to be a DoJ attorney. I also made sure to make mention of the fact that he claims to pull up next to the Pentagon and he had no idea that he was next to the Pentagon. He even goes so far as to admit that he had lived in the area his whole life and still had no idea the building he was next was the Pentagon, "because it has five sides". Yet, in this very interview he is giving us, he makes mention of seeing the aftermath of the "Air Florida crash on the 14th street bridge" that he could "see from his highschool". So let me get this straight. He grew up in the area his whole life, went to high school just across the river, knew where the 14th street bridge was, and yet had no idea that the building he pulled up next to was the Pentagon??? I also made sure to make him admit that he grabbed his stole and holy oil, jumped out his car, and crossed the guardrail to the lawn within 45 seconds of the impact. This is a major problem because Mark Faram, a reporter/photographer for Navy Times said he did this when he arrived on the scene. Mark Faram admitted he arrived 10 minutes after the 'explosion' (impact) after walking down the hill from the Navy Annex. When I asked him if he actually seen the plane enter the building, he looked me dead in the eyes, didn't blink, and said: "I saw the plane enter the building". Here is the full context of my analysis on him:
At the end of our interview, we asked him about secondary explosions. He admitted hearing some, but figured it was due to pressurized or flammable items in the building. We unfortunately didn't get that on tape. As we were getting ready to leave, he decided to give us a little gift. He gave us a little medallion, St Michael the arch angel slaying a serpent creature (Satan?) with the words "Protect us" on the back. It was bizarre to say the least, and surreal to say the most. I am pretty sure we were talking to an operative who was assigned to the staged Rt 27 scene. |
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| DAV |
Posted: Aug 28 2006, 03:48 PM
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Tortured Soul ![]() Group: Members Posts: 168 Member No.: 2,908 Joined: 15-June 06 |
Agreed. Am innately distrusting this guy. Good post Merc . This post has been edited by DAV on Aug 28 2006, 03:49 PM |
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| Merc |
Posted: Aug 28 2006, 03:54 PM
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Veterano ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,466 Member No.: 1,066 Joined: 6-April 06 |
Dav,
Thanks. It's interesting to note that he when we got there, he had us waiting in the lobby of the rectory for like 5-10 minutes. The recpetionist told us "he was on the phone". Getting prepped by his handlers? |
| DAV |
Posted: Aug 28 2006, 04:04 PM
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Tortured Soul ![]() Group: Members Posts: 168 Member No.: 2,908 Joined: 15-June 06 |
Difficult to say, as the great Zen master once said. Would check that medallion for a chip ... or perhaps that is being too paranoid. One good thing about paranoia: you only have to be right one time to make it all worthwhile. Please receive my respect for the team's recent undertaking in Da Capitol that most wouldn't have the anatomical ellipses to do. . |
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| JerryB9105 |
Posted: Aug 28 2006, 04:18 PM
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Veteran ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,991 Member No.: 2,403 Joined: 25-May 06 |
I'm not going to try and defend this Preist (I have no personal knowledge of him) -- I did find your investigation very interesting and thorough.
I do want to say this however: I too know where the Pentagon is located. I worked there years ago, briefly; I visit DC quite reguarily today (as many as 10 times a year) and yet I continue to get lost around that building I don't care how many times I've been there. The same thing happens to me downtown DC all the time too. Happened to me just a few weeks ago; I passed by the Pentagon two different times trying to find Fort Myers (which is in the opposite direction). Once you get going the wrong way around there you've got to continue on (usually in loads of traffic) to the next exit which isn't always as close as you would like -- I don't know who in the heck designed the roads around there but I'd like to punch them in the nose. I've gotten so darn frustrated like I did that day that I just gave up on the Fort Myers visit completely. As a cross-reference: I was lost (I seem to be that quite frequently don't I) in New York City years ago and stopped and asked this woman for directions to the bus station. She was stepping down into the street from a very nice apartment complex and I assumed the directions would follow -- she had no idea. Said she'd never ridden the bus and was sorry she couldn't help me. Turns out the bus station was only a block or two away. People that live and work in big cities don't always know the general tourist sites; I've found that to be true more than just these couple of observations. Of course then there's the other type that can tell you every back road and alley to make getting there easier. So I have no idea really what to make out of this Priest that didn't realize where he was at the time. Of course anybody telling me that they saw an airplane crash into the Pentagon (knowing all the other things I have come to now know about 9/11) would cause me to look at them with grave suspicion. Because I don't believe it happened -- maybe something that looked like an airplane of sorts -- but not flight 77. This post has been edited by JerryB9105 on Aug 28 2006, 06:30 PM |
| Merc |
Posted: Aug 28 2006, 05:41 PM
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Veterano ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,466 Member No.: 1,066 Joined: 6-April 06 |
Oh I agree Jerry,
Very easy to get lost or miss your exit. Even for locals. It is INSANE over there. That's not my issue. My issue is him not knowing he was next to the Pentagon. |
| Shoestring |
Posted: Aug 28 2006, 06:54 PM
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Do you think it possible that McGraw, along with other dubious characters, might have been pre-positioned in front of the Pentagon the morning of 9/11, in order to give false accounts to the press about what happened there? Several people mention the traffic around there being at a standstill at the time of the attack, so might the road even have been sealed off to the general public? Perhaps fake "eyewitnesses" were pre-positioned under the pretext that they were going to act as bystanders in a military exercise, scheduled for that morning at the Pentagon? I'm only speculating, but it would certainly explain a lot of things. For a collection of evidence that there was indeed a training exercise scheduled to take place at the Pentagon the morning of 9/11, check out the following short essay: http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060718232126585 Exclusive Report: Did Military Exercises Facilitate the 9/11 Pentagon Attack? |
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| dylan avery |
Posted: Aug 28 2006, 06:55 PM
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Veteran ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 778 Member No.: 624 Joined: 17-March 06 |
For now go easy on the accusations Merc. I'm not saying one thing or another, let's just be fair about things for the time being.
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| Merc |
Posted: Aug 28 2006, 07:16 PM
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Veterano ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,466 Member No.: 1,066 Joined: 6-April 06 |
Oh yeah NP dude. It is only my own research and conclusions. This can have nothing to do with LCFC. Remember, we were also a two pronged operation. Do what you will with your info, I'll do what I do with mine. |
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| Merc |
Posted: Aug 28 2006, 07:27 PM
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Veterano ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,466 Member No.: 1,066 Joined: 6-April 06 |
Those are all really great questions Shoe. I am leaning toward an all out staged scene. Fake bystanders, possibly for drills etc. But the light poles indicates to me that the scene was prepped. Russell disagrees and tends to recite the evidence that suggests it's not possible. I agree it is a tough one to prove. But all you would need is the nth bound on ramp from 395 and closure of the sth bound lanes preceding the Pentagon. We are still awaiting confirmation on some stuff so it is still a guessing game. |
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| painter |
Posted: Aug 28 2006, 07:34 PM
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Veteran ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,594 Member No.: 45 Joined: 11-February 06 |
I agree, this is very suspicious. I find it hard to believe someone could have a jumbo jet fly 20' over their heads at the speeds this plane was said to be traveling and not get blown off the roadway. 20' is no distance at all. I also agree that the medallion is significant -- precisely how would be hard to say. One time Joseph Campbell (an academic who studied myths his whole life) once asked: THE QUESTION IS, WHO ARE YOU FOR, SAINT GEORGE OR THE DRAGON? This is a relevant question because in Christolic terms, the dragon represents 'satan'. In psychological terms it represents the lower 'reptilian' brain functions. However, in Gestalt terms it can be looked at quite differently: The Dragon represents the life force but it is St. George who holds the sword. "Swords" of course are other words for reason, rationality, sometimes "truth" or "the word" -- that which separates the truth from the lie, etc. Ultimately the point is that these two forces that we're taught to think of as being in absolute contradiction are, like the yin and yang of Eastern traditions, actually bound into a unity: An invisible THIRD FORCE reconciles the seeming contradictions forming one whole in a universal law of a higher order (than the apparent opposition). ![]() This post has been edited by painter on Aug 28 2006, 07:36 PM |
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| stevenwarran |
Posted: Sep 8 2006, 04:05 PM
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Newbie ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1 Member No.: 3,225 Joined: 5-July 06 |
Hey Merc—Very good work here! It’s a real coup to come up with a fresh photograph of Father Stephen McGraw, although he’s looking a bit beleaguered to be trotted out with all the other players. That, along with putting out some newly released materials, like this NTSB report released August 11, 2006, (complete crap)
Government Releases Detailed Information on 9/11 Crashes: NTSB Report “Flight Path Study—American Airline Flight 77 http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/index.htm ]NTSB Report[/URL] http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/index.htm Amounts to pretty sorry effort. Also, (complete crap) this FAA report, FAA Report FAA Believed Second 9/11 Plane Heading Towards NY for Emergency Landing: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB165/index.htm Mentioned in the commission report notes is a TSA report “Criminal Acts Against Civil Aviation for 2001” dated August 20, 2002, but I can’t get that web site to cooperate. Well, at least they’re trying. The photos with Father Stephen are so obviously staged—in my mind—that there is really no reason they couldn’t have been produced days in advance and have the foregrounds married to backgrounds. That would explain the strange disconnected attitudes and postures captured. Another point: anyone who references seeing a light pole come down (especially if they then renege!) is a plant, in my opinion. Likewise, anyone who references a plane as coming in at all normally, tipping its wings, that sort of thing, is also lying. The commission report has the plane coming in AT 530 MILES PER HOUR! That would be a shocking thing to witness! I don’t think I’d notice, let alone remember, let alone havwe everybody making overkill references of it. Nobody, however close, whatever the angle, could possibly see much of anything. It was a Swoosh! Ka-Bang! Ta-Da! This post has been edited by stevenwarran on Sep 8 2006, 04:08 PM |
| Merc |
Posted: Sep 8 2006, 04:24 PM
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Veterano ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,466 Member No.: 1,066 Joined: 6-April 06 |
Hey Steve. Enjoyed your blog btw...
http://stevenwarran.blogspot.com/2006/03/f...am-ties_23.html He wasn't photoshopped in, he was really there. I have him on the Bob Pugh Video shaking hands with all the higher ups, and I believe it even shows him in his pray position. That shaking of hands looks phoney imo, it just seems bizarre. At 38:15... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1...orgasbord&hl=en |
| paranoia |
Posted: Oct 1 2006, 01:22 AM
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Member ![]() Group: Members Posts: 32 Member No.: 5,692 Joined: 19-September 06 |
since russell forwarded me to a link of eyewitness testimonies about the lightpoles, i have been busy for almost 2 days re-examining their accounts.
thats still a work in progress, but since someone posted this thread, i wanted to add what i have found so far about mcgraw: McGraw, Stephen: "Father Stephen McGraw was driving to a graveside service at Arlington National Cemetery the morning of Sept. 11, when he mistakenly took the Pentagon exit onto Washington Boulevard, putting him in a position to witness American Airlines Flight 77 crash into the Pentagon. "The traffic was very slow moving, and at one point just about at a standstill," said McGraw, a Catholic priest at St. Anthony Parish in Falls Church. "I was in the left hand lane with my windows closed. I did not hear anything at all until the plane was just right above our cars." McGraw estimates that the plane passed about 20 feet over his car, as he waited in the left hand lane of the road, on the side closest to the Pentagon. "The plane clipped the top of a light pole just before it got to us, injuring a taxi driver, whose taxi was just a few feet away from my car. "I saw it crash into the building," he said. "My only memories really were that it looked like a plane coming in for a landing. I mean in the sense that it was controlled and sort of straight. That was my impression," he said. "There was an explosion and a loud noise and I felt the impact. I remember seeing a fireball come out of two windows (of the Pentagon). I saw an explosion of fire billowing through those two windows. "He literally had the stole in one hand and a prayer book in the other and in one fluid motion crossed the guardrail," said Mark Faram, a reporter from the Navy Times who witnessed McGraw in the first moments after the crash." http://www.dcmilitary.com/dcmilitary_archi...1/10772-1.shtml (detailed account as told by father McGraw): BTW- please check out the page the story BELOW comes from: http://www.s-t.com/daily/12-01/12-20-01/a02wn018.htm , it confirms that indeed the budget analysts and accountants died in that wing of the Pentagon, and it also establishes the military's protocol of seeking out ALL witnesses by 12-20-2001, as well as a tiny blurb about: "Another Arlington worker who declined to be interviewed in front of the media told a story that the military historians had not heard in the 244 interviews they had conducted through last week. The man said a mysterious second plane was circling the area when the first one attacked the Pentagon." Middleton, William Sr. says: "The worker, William Middleton Sr., was running his street sweeper through the cemetery when he heard a harsh whistling sound overhead. Middleton looked up and spotted a commercial jet whose pilot seemed to be fighting with his own craft. Middleton said the plane was no higher than the tops of telephone poles as it lurched toward the Pentagon. The jet accelerated in the final few hundred yards before it tore into the building." Mr.Middleton reveals something important here: "Middleton and his co-workers at Arlington continued to work Sept. 11 as Washington offices closed and buildings emptied. The cemetery crew had no choice (but to keep working). Funerals were scheduled and burials had to be completed, chaos and all." Yet Father McGraw "was on the scene (at the Pentagon, NOT the cemetary) waiting and praying until 5:30 p.m. when he "finally got the word that due to the dangers in the building they weren't going to remove any bodies until at least 9 p.m." (quote from the dc.military.co link). Then there is this note from the dc.military.com link above: "The priest said that shortly after he arrived, several military chaplains came on the scene. McGraw was teamed up with a Lutheran chaplain, as the chaplains moved from one triage area to another at the request of medical personnel. McGraw said that he believes the chaplains were able to arrive so quickly because they were attending a chaplain's conference nearby." here is another mention of the number of clergy availible at the scene (from Terry Morin's account): "There must have been 30 Chaplains and men of the cloth (not just military) there. Every now and then one would be called up for help, but they too were put into a group so they could respond to the individuals or bodies being brought out." from: http://www.coping.org/911/survivor/pentagon.htm So there were plenty of clergy available on hand to minister to the people in need. Yet, Father McGraw never once seems to have worried about his prior engagement. He makes no mention of even attempting to contact whoever he had his original plans with. It makes me wonder, what became of the service Father McGraw (above) was supposed to attend. It seems the fine Father decided that the Pentagon event was more important that doing the service for some other fallen soldier (since they qualified for burial at Arlington Cemetary) who was apparently supposed to be buried that day. I find that unsual, since according to Middleton, the "funerals were scheduled and burials HAD TO BE completed." Perhaps Father McGraw could be interviewed about whose service he was headed to and what the eventual outcome of that was. Then perhaps you can dig up the cemetary's records and find out if such a person even exists, and wether or not Father McGraw was scheduled to be there. there are other parts of his story that seem suspect, and i will post them as soon as i have gathered more info and compared it with mcgraw's version of events. thanx This post has been edited by paranoia on Oct 1 2006, 01:23 AM |
| Merc |
Posted: Oct 1 2006, 01:36 AM
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Great catch Paranoia, it's good to have you here with us.
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| Parmenides |
Posted: Oct 1 2006, 01:46 AM
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Soli Invicto Comiti ![]() Group: Members Posts: 188 Member No.: 4,632 Joined: 3-September 06 |
If you are talking about traffic standing still before the strike, that would be typical. I have spent many an hour sitting in traffic in that very location. BTW, that gives me an idea. Video is all good and well, but a lot of people spend hours every day stuck in traffic. It's the "American" thing to do. You might be able to hit a lot more people with the truth if you make audio CDs. |
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| MC Jack |
Posted: Oct 2 2006, 10:05 PM
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Interesting idea. How about an audio CD of Merc going through each of the witnesses and putting them in context of where they claimed to be?
or god knows any of the AMEC/ wedge construction/ etc Pentagon angles that the public should heear about. add in a short note and contact info -- in case they want to learn more. For the people who regularly commute Rt 27, and sit in that traffic, they might be a natural audience. |
| Truthseekers |
Posted: Oct 2 2006, 11:39 PM
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Very odd comment to make. I mean, despite the road signs saying 'pentagon', he obviously saw them before the building, so how in Gods name could he not know it was not the pentagon?. Seems this Vicar is not telling the truth. |
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