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| Seabhcan |
Posted: May 18 2006, 11:49 AM
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fizzy syst ![]() Group: Members Posts: 559 Member No.: 747 Joined: 23-March 06 |
Dear Prof. Jones,
I am a researcher in Royal Holloway, University of London, just finishing a PhD in the Machine Vision of CCTV cameras. I'm not an expert in CCTV, but I do have a lot of experience. I took a look at the recently released Pentagon video and noticed a few unusual aspects of how it was produced. Firstly, I'm talking about the totally new video, rather than the older one of which 5 frames were already in the public domain. I obtained this video from Google Video download through a link from Judicial Watch.org. A spokes person interviewed on the Alex Jones radio show has said that the video was provided to him on a CD-ROM, and I am assuming that Judicial Watch did not process the video in any way before uploading. I am also assuming that Google Video does not process uploaded videos in the unusual way I am going to describe. I am not going to talk about the content of the video at all, just its structure and how it was processed. FEATURES OF THE VIDEO The video is constructed of 5 756 frames of pixel size 480 by 360. Oddly, every 32 frames are nearly identical. I say nearly, because while each group of 32 frames certainly contain no movement and were certainly derived from the same original CCTV output frame, by running the video through frame differencing you can easily detect small jpegging artifacts and noise within the 32 frame groups. Further, the video occasionally shifts up or down by a tiny amount, in a seeming random fashion. Finally, there is a faded black border around the frames. These are all clues to the probable history of this video, and how it was constructed. PROBABLE ORIGIN Most CCTV cameras in the US produce a very similar output to regular TV video format, and despite advances in digital technology, most are still analog. The camera position here seems to be in a non-critical role at the entrance to a staff car park. This, coupled with the faded black boundary indicated that this video was probably produced by a regular NTSC Interlaced signal recorded onto an Analog medium such as a VHS cassette. This analog video would then have been digitised, processed, and released to Judicial Watch on the CD-ROM. NTSC is interlaced, meaning that alternate rows of pixels are refreshed at twice the quoted frame rate. So that, with a NTSC frame rate of just under 30 fps, old and even pixels rows are alternately refreshed at just under 60Hz. To save video tape, Analog cameras only record one frame every second or so, and that seems to be the case here. (Modern digital CCTV systems commonly record at a variable framerate, depending on activity in the scene. The fact that this did not happen here is further evidence that the system is an older Analog CCTV) When digitizing the video, you have the choice of deinterleaving the frames to produce a video of 60Hz, but with half the vertical resolution. One disadvantage of this is that because alternate frames are produced by pixel positions with a slight vertical offset, the digitized video will vibrate up and down in an annoying way. However I believe that this video was produced in this way because at irregular intervals, the video can be seen to shift up and down by approximately one pixel. The irregularity indicated that the video's producers cherry-picked certain frames from either deinterlace output, and built them into one video. DIGITIZED, BACK TO ANALOG, AND DIGITIZED AGAIN? Finally, the Judicial Watch video is constructed of 179 original frames, each reproduced 32 times. The CCTV camera would have recorded frames to analog at a rate of 1Hz, but each frame only once. Why would the Judicial Watch video have frame multiples? Why would there be intraframe noise within these 32 frame groups? Digital video formats can have any desired frame rate. There is no need to have multiple frames, when the computer can simply display a particular frame for an arbitrary length of time. Analog cannot do this however. On VHS, if you want a frame to display on screen for 1 second it must be reproduced on tape a number of times. I propose that the original 179 CCTV output frames were digitized, deinterleaved, manipulated extensively, recombined into one video and then recorded back onto a VHS (or other analog format) cassette. This version was then digitized again and released to Judicial Watch. I do not know why they would do this, but it is my best explanation of the processing anomalies of this video. The important conclusion is that this video has a long history. I suggest that the Pentagon be asked to release the original, analog and unedited version of this video, along with the 84 other videos they hold. Yours sincerely, |
| broodlinger |
Posted: May 18 2006, 11:54 AM
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Veteran ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,071 Member No.: 2,007 Joined: 13-May 06 |
I propose that the original 179 CCTV output frames were digitized,
deinterleaved, manipulated extensively, recombined into one video and then recorded back onto a VHS (or other analog format) cassette. This version was then digitized again and released to Judicial Watch. Sounds good. You should put this thesis first instead of last. |
| Seabhcan |
Posted: May 18 2006, 11:57 AM
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fizzy syst ![]() Group: Members Posts: 559 Member No.: 747 Joined: 23-March 06 |
I thought about that - but its such a weird conclusion, I wanted to make the case first.
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| broodlinger |
Posted: May 18 2006, 12:34 PM
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Veteran ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,071 Member No.: 2,007 Joined: 13-May 06 |
You don't want to count on someone reading the whole thing. Look at the way academic journal articles are written: first, a really short summary, then a brief intro, and then expository. That way, no matter where you stop reading, you haven't missed anything.
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| Merc |
Posted: May 18 2006, 01:15 PM
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Veterano ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,466 Member No.: 1,066 Joined: 6-April 06 |
This is great work. I am of the opinion that the videos are altered also.
Has he responded? I can post this on the members only forum on Scholars if you want. What I am trying to figure out is how come the plane and plume doesn't cast a shadow? |
| Seabhcan |
Posted: May 18 2006, 01:56 PM
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fizzy syst ![]() Group: Members Posts: 559 Member No.: 747 Joined: 23-March 06 |
Hi Merc,
Yes - it would be cool if you could post it on ST911 forum. No answer yet, but its early morning there. Thanks, Seabhcan |
| Merc |
Posted: May 18 2006, 07:38 PM
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Veterano ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,466 Member No.: 1,066 Joined: 6-April 06 |
I made a thread. Apparently he had already posted it in the Pentagon Video Thread:
Good job. |
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| payt |
Posted: May 18 2006, 07:46 PM
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edited..
This post has been edited by payt on May 18 2006, 08:04 PM |
| notingsoc |
Posted: May 27 2006, 12:28 AM
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why would the video be doctored, for what purpose?
why is this such a concern of yours? |
| Seabhcan |
Posted: Jun 1 2006, 11:00 AM
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fizzy syst ![]() Group: Members Posts: 559 Member No.: 747 Joined: 23-March 06 |
Why? I don't know. Ask the pentagon why they did it. I think it should be a concern of every thinking person if a government lies to the people. |
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| slick |
Posted: Jun 1 2006, 01:30 PM
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Life Is A Paradox ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,672 Member No.: 2,498 Joined: 30-May 06 |
What difference does it make? If its altered, wouldnt you want to know why? If they have nothing to hide, why alter the video? |
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| Drew888 |
Posted: Jun 2 2006, 11:05 PM
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The release of the footage is to distract away from the documented facts so more people will speculate on the issue of whether a plane hit or not. If they do release video of a plane clearly hitting the Pentagon it will just give them more chances to say "SEE I told ya those Conspiracy Theorist are nutjobs."
If a plane really did hit the Pentagon...Does that change the WHOLE picture? I see a lot of people leading with this aurgument of a missile hitting the pentagon. I like to lead with Operation Northwoods, Cheney in control of NORAD, FBI involved in 1993 WTC, Drills being run at the same time as the 9/11 attacks, London bombing, Madrid, Oklahoma. You must not get caught up in the speculative points when there is SO much of the HARD FACTS. I'm not saying dismiss the evidence that shows a missile may have hit, but focus more on the facts that have been proven. |
| FinalStrike |
Posted: Jun 3 2006, 08:45 PM
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i really think in the next loose change that the pentagon shouldnt be presented the same way-
i think it should reserve itself until more pentagon evidence is released. but the way the gov is releasing info and keeping evidence seem highly tactical in its execution for some reason. |
| Seabhcan |
Posted: Jun 4 2006, 12:31 PM
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fizzy syst ![]() Group: Members Posts: 559 Member No.: 747 Joined: 23-March 06 |
Agreed. They are baiting the hook. |
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| LondonEye |
Posted: Jun 4 2006, 01:05 PM
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Keep it Real ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,248 Member No.: 191 Joined: 16-February 06 |
or "over a barrel" Hopefully the petition to the US Congress and Senate demanding the release of all confiscated tapes will be successful and soon. A couple of snippets from the petition...
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/...?ltl=1141667399 --- Have you had an opportunity to watch the new set of clips that Dylan and LTW have put together. Specifically, two interviews. First a lady (Leuren Moret) who discusses the near tenfold increase in DU levels detected near the Pentagon after the hit (13:39 - 19:20). And a very interesting interview with Bob Pugh who was the first camerman at the Pentagon on 9/11 (30:30 - 57:35). I found them very interesting, hope you do too. Link to clippings on Google video : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1840058038507754977 All the best LondonEye |
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| Seabhcan |
Posted: Jun 5 2006, 08:57 PM
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fizzy syst ![]() Group: Members Posts: 559 Member No.: 747 Joined: 23-March 06 |
Ya, I watched it - very interesting.
I'm not sure what to think about the DU thing. DU is used in heavy armour on tanks and in anti-armour rounds. I never heard of it being used in either missiles, military planes or, of course, in 757s. The only thing I can think of is that they replaced the nose radar system with a DU balast, but thats a wild guess. I know the UK navy has a lump of concrete in the nose of their harriers, because the BAE radar system is ten years over due. (Read this great book to find out more) |
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