So I’m thinking about starting up a PH Alpha Legion CSM army using only the Chaos Codex.

Is this a good idea, or would using the Lost and the Damned be a better option?

My concern is, with 5th edition, are the Lost and the Damned a viable option, or still useable??

Also, for Summoned Demons, would it be appropriate to use IG models or perhaps the Van Saar or Delaque models from Necromunda?

i would use the new marine codex and have them being by shrike

That sounds like a good idea. I don't know about the Lost and the Damned but i think you could definitely use the gang models as tunnelers or something. Just make sure you have lots of Chosen! :P

I called GW Direct and Lost and the Damned is no longer tourney legal, but can be used for fun play.

honestly, I hadn't thought about Loken's idea.

it makes a bit more sense really, on the grounds that Codex marines get scouts, lots of deep strkike, drop pods, and w/a chapter master, orbital bombardment.

but thanks for the input so far, i'm glad there's at least two persons in the forums that i can bounce ideas with. :rolleyes:

yah if they were "count as raven guard rules" then you could give them all fleet and good things like that ;)

My Alpha Legion army list:

*HQ [1]
Greater Summoned Demon 100

HQ [1]
Chaos Lord-90/mark of Khorne-10/termie armor-30/
lightning claws-10 140

ELITES [4]
x4 Chaos termies -120/icon of Khorne-30/champion-10/
lightning claws-10 200

TROOP [11]
x11 Chaos marines -165/champion-15/IoCG-10/
x2melta guns -20 210

TROOP [11]
x11 Chaos marines -165/champion-15/IoCG-10/
x2melta guns -20 210

TROOP [11]
x11 Chaos marines -165/champion-15/IoCG-10/
x2melta guns -20 210

TROOP [11]
x11 Chaos marines -165/champion-15/IoCG-10/
x2melta guns -20 210

*TROOP [5]
x5 Lesser Summoned Demons-65 65

*TROOP [5]
x5 Lesser Summoned Demons-65 65

*TROOP [5]
x5 Lesser Summoned Demons-65 65

FAST ATTACK [5]
x5 Raptors-100/x2 plasma guns-30 130

FAST ATTACK [5]
x5 Raptors-100/x2 plasma guns-30 130

HEAVY SUPPORT [7]
x7 Havocs-105/x4 plasma guns-60/icon of Nugle-50/rhino-35/
extra armor-15 265

2000 pts.

this army list has 13 units, a prime number, and each squad is made up of prime number of troopers, except for the terminator squad, but it becomes a prime number when the Chaos Lord joins it.

Units marked with (*) do not take up choices in the force organization chart.

It fields a total of 82 models.

There is a lot of plasma in the army, but when using the ‘fluffy’ unit designations, they will be considered elite or ‘experimental’ technology units, the idea being that plasma guns were given to certain units to field test them.

The marks of Khorne were given to the termies and lord to represent an elite inner circle of commanders, while the mark of Nurgle was given to the havocs to represent a hardened field test unit that can survive weapon mishaps.

The lesser demons will probably be represented by using a conversion found in Firebase #1 by using High Elf Archer legs, Cadian torsos and arms, and Wood Elf hooded heads.

Each regular squad will have an icon made up of back pack banner pole and brass rod.

The only problem I have is that I have no idea of representing the Greater Demon, and I’d rather not use Greater Demon model.

I could use recommendations on this; the best that I’ve thought of is doing a true-scale marine with some sort of scratch built weapon, but I don’t know how well that would sit other players.

I don’t go to tourneys, but I like to model the army as tourney legal just in case.

Suggestions welcomed!

Nice looking list so far. If you're still planning on doing something with this, might I suggest making some kind of hydra? I know this doesn't seem very marine-like, but the Alpha Legion were more willing to use unorthodox methods and tactics. You could make it mechanical just to be sure that it's not "heretical", or perhaps a combination of the two. My reasoning is that they may have actually encountered some kind of creature like that during the crusade and either captured one, or perhaps admired it and built a mechanical version of it. Not a very good idea, I know, but it's really hard to think of something with those kind of stats that would fit in a marine army; I don't think any marine would be like that. Hope that helps.

Note to mods - I've tried to contribute something to this thread, so I hope it doesn't violate the necromancy policy.

Note noted! No problem. ;)

Use the Chaos Spawn rules and use a big lizard model?

whats with all the daemons pre-heresy???

And if i were to do alpha legion id use CSM with 3 units of chosen.

You could also field CC Scouts as Lesser Demons ?!

As for the Greater Demon:

Dreadnought ?
Primarch ?
Truescale Terminator ?
A little Mechanicum Knight ?
Mechanical Hydra/Lizard of sorts ?

i didn't think that any one was still looking at this list.

after a slew of modifications, i've decided to go with a combined Death Guard/World Eater army list, using the CSM codex.

here's the list:

Chaos Lord/jump pack/mark of Khorne/lightning claws
150

HQ [1]
Daemon Prince/wings/nurgle's rot/mark of Nurgle 165

TROOP [7] {1}
x7 Plague marines/x2 melta/rhino/xtra armor
231

TROOP [7] {1}
x7 Plague marines/x2 melta/rhino/xtra armor
231

TROOP [8] {1}
x8 Berzerkers/champion/p.weapon/rhino/extra armor 248

TROOP [8] {1}
x8 Berzerkers/champion/p.weapon/rhino/extra armor 248

FAST ATTACK [8]
x8 Raptors/x2 melta guns/icon of Khorne
210

HEAVY SUPPORT [7] {1}
x7 Havocs/x4 plasma/icon of Nurgle/rhino/xtra armor 265

HEAVY SUPPORT {1}
Chaos Vindicator
125

HEAVY SUPPORT {1}
Chaos Vindicator
125

1998 pts.
49 models/7 vehicles

i call this the 78th Recon Lance (get it?) and it will be done Pre-Heresy style. i've got some of the models, and slowly working to get the regular troopers and build PH back packs. the hardest thing to get will be all those tanks. for the Daemon Prince, i plan to purchase a death knight for Iacton.

You can't add overtly daemonic stuff and call it PRE-Heresy. :rolleyes:

No Plague Marines, no wings, no Nurgle's Rot.

Alpha Legion? Looks like Word Bearers :P

If you used Space marines, I would suggest Khan - your army gets outflanking, which I think better suits Alpha Legion.

78th is bad! <_< :lol:
(for those who don't get it, 7 is lucky for nurgle, 8 is lucky for khorne, E.G the 78th)
im still a bit confuzzeld why you would take extra armour over demonic possesion appart from the PH theme

@Shroud: i'm hoping to get away with that by using one of Iacton's death knights as DP, so at least model wise, old Morty will lead this expediition. hadn'd thought about the wings. the death knight has some pipes coming out of his back, so maybe that way?.

Nurgle's Rot can be represented by the air that Morty likes to breathe in one of the HH novels (can't recall which one, but I'm sure you guys know better than me).

and frankly, IMHO, i think that using a DP as a 'counts as' Primarch is not a bad idea modelling wise. i thought about using a Chaos Sorcerer on a bike (it comes to the same amt. of points) but:

1)i'm looking for an excuse to buy a cool model and 2)i KNOW i'm using creative license, but who's to say that a Primarch would not have some sort of tech/power/ability (any thing) that would give him DP like powers? i say that just because we haven't seen it doesn't mean that it's improbable.

i read the Dark King; if Kurze can move like a ninja in power armor, who's to say Morty can do something amazing that is unique to him?

after reading and re reading rules i decided a DP is the best legal representation of Primarch in 40K w/out using home grown rules, which i stay away from.

and i'm using the Plague Marines (using PH DG color scheme) because they are the best unit to represent the DG resliency and they get two special weapons per squad. in the fluff, according to Index Astartes, at least, the DG were known as a cut and dry Legion that alway relied on the common infantry man, that's why i'm taking them w/a squad of Havocs as specialists.

that's just what i think though.

@Whitehorn: i dropped the whole Alpha Legion idea when i couldn't think of how to do it using CSM, so i scrapped the AL project and went w/Death Guard and World Eaters.

@Kriegersen: yeah i went w/78th on purpose, for that very reason. i'm modelling the army w/PH WE & DG color schemes. and the reason that i don't use poessession is because it lowers the BS of tanks, and i don't like that.

i know it's a PH army, but i threw in hints in that these two Legions are on a path to corruption and betrayal.