This is a total theory but it sort of fits. I was wondering whether the XI Legion was whiped from the records because it broke one of the founding genetic rules of the Astates.

What if Primarch of the XI Legion turned out to be female? The Emperor himself probably wouldn't have had a problem with this but I have a feeling that certain other powerful influences and absolutely some of the other Primarchs, (Angron for instance,) would have.

It would also upset the argument that the gene seed and all the enhancements that gene mutation brings doesn't work in the female body.

This is just a thought by the way but it sort of is plausable.

I'm considering writing a backstory for this Legion and I was planning on going along these lines. I think it'd be tricky but I don't see why it wouldn't be doable ...

Any thoughts would be appreciated, if it works I'll set about writing an article at least if not a full back story and all it entails.

Hecate and the Hell Bunnies Legion are doing just fine, thank you. Her father just doesn't understand her, so he wiped their records and sent them to the warp to fight Chaos and stuff.

Sorry Crymzon, but all the Primarchs are Brothers. The Story 'The Lightning Tower' reinforces that fact.

But you have made me think that maybe they were cast because they found a way to turn people other than male humans into Astartes, thereby corrupting their geneseed!
So maybe they had women or worse in their forces, and they got kicked out of the Imperium for it.

Thanks for making me smile Lord Caldera; 'Hecate and the Hell-Bunnies'. I wonder, do they look like power armoured Playboy bunnies? :D

You mean that they may have started using Xeno tech and come up with a new way of mutating the seed?

I suppose that's possible and it'd give me something to work with.

My other idea was that the Primarch of the XI legion hadn't formed properly and came out insane. I'm not talking psychopathic, i'm talking stark raving crackers and this mutation had spread down to the legion.

I think that removing a legion from the records because they where all barking would probably be a sensible thing to do. I could write into the plot that then all use a piece of war gear that constantly pumps the chemical's their brains are missing into their heads or the results are comical at best and potentially terrifying at worst.

Ok assuming the Primarch is male, and including the Xeno tech mutation of the gene seed then why not a legion of female astarte? Afterall the female of the species is more deadly than the male and it is only 1 chromazone.

The only problem with having a whole legion of female Astartes is that we might be veering a little bit too close to the Sisters of Battle model. Yeah they have a different belief system i.e. if you even misspell the word emperor you get torched, but as far as gear is concerned, (discounting things like penitence engines etc etc) it's very similar.

I think we'd have to do something a bit different with them. A mix of male and female Astartes maybe but make the two as distinctly different from one another as possible.

The only other way round it, (yes I know all the Primarchs are brothers but ...,) is to follow the Alpharius idea and create another set of twins but make one of them female. The male of the two kept her completely secret but was found out and as a result he and his entire legion was wiped from the records. If she never existed in the first place nothing breaks the rule of all male Primarchs.

I've always thought it was noteowrhty based on the lightening tower that dorn used the word tragedies. This would perhaps indicate that some ill had befallen them rather than them turning away from the emperor or otherwise defecting. having said that if they where wiped out due to excessive battle losses perhaps a more typical tragedy for marines then why would there records have been deleted and statues destroyed surely they would be honorated as sacrifices for the good of the crusade as the dead of those legiosn that where still extant were.

The problem with the whole wiping from records thing is that the Imperium would also make sure that the legion is wiped from existence as well. I mean they're surely not going to wipe only the records and just hope that no-one notices that barking mad Primarch leading an entire legion of stark-raving loonatics, right?

Just saying, it's probably wise to come up with a reason for either why the weren't hunted to extinction or how the imperium thinks that they've been destroyed/lost.

Lmao Arven man I've got images in my head now that will probably leave me chuckling for weeks.

Actually as far as wiping from existence is concerned have a little looksee at the work me and Lord Mortirion are doing on the II Legion. The whole legion is still fully functioning. They only don't exist because the Emperor told them they didn't. They're all demon hunters and very good at it. They go by a different name and wear different armour and they get from world to world unnoticed because they use webways. Yes there's a good reason for this and no it doesn't screw with the plot lol

After reading the thread on Duality and the Chaos gods, what if the deal struck between the Emporer and Chaos for the power that he wanted, consisted of the age old 'for this power I will take your first born' kind of thing.

In return for granting the Emporer his power, each Chaos God wanted 1 son in return. Now there's three (four?) main gods. What if they each demanded one son? The first two gods were given the two missing primarchs, early on in the emperors reign when he was still a little scared of them. He could spin it several ways, one being that they were dabling in the use of sourcery.

Then when the two missing primarch and their armies were converted to chaos it would be a tradegy that the legions were struck down and as a result of their meddling with sourcery. At the same time the emperor would not want to be reminded of his betrayal of his sons. He would therefore remove their records as an example of what would happen if you failed to heed his words and exile those who still practiced it. After all wasn't Magnus estranged from the emperor.

But what if the third god decided he wanted Horus. Now if Horus was the Emporer's favourite son then he would not allow it. However as a result of their cunning, instead of taking Horus as they had the others anyway, they decided to teach the Emporer a lesson. So they planted the seeds of doubt in Horus and allowed him to choose them over his father. Thus starting the Heresy.

So what of the fourth son I hear you ask, well as they Heresy developed Chaos took more than it's fair share of the remaining Primarchs, and as such the debt was paid.

Anyway....

I still prefer the girlie Primarch theory or the Female Astartes but It was just a thought I had last night laying in bed. Thought it might be worth debating.....

Your all crazy! Everyone knows the missing primarchs are megatron and optimus prime! Honestly, where did you think those two were hiding?

On the subject of chaos taking thier chosen son, this is very unlikely, for a start Fulgrim was never turned to chaos, dont want to spoil anything but those who've read fulgrim will know what im on about. Which raises another question. Do you think the painting will ever be found? And if so will he be able to return?

Actually the story that the Emperor did a deal with chaos comes from Erebus when he was trying to influence Horus to Chaos' side.
Now stop me if I'm wrong, but didn't Erebus admit to lying at this time? Maybe not to exactly what, but....

I beielve the notion of the emperor doing a deal with chaos stems from the corruption of the premise that he had stolen some of there power. The emperor draws his power from the warp (as do all psykers) the power the emperor drew from (and was bound to) was the positive element of the warp (which has largely been drowned out by the powers of chaos now) yet as the chaos gods view all of the warp as there domain they considered that he had stolen this portion of the warps energy from them.

I just realized that! Him and the Daemon swapped places! It all makes sense!

It echoes Dorian Gray.
So you have to wonder what the real Fulgrim looks like in 40K!

Could well be feasible that the astartes were defeated absolutely in battle - perhaps against the eldar and the reason why the records were expunged was simply that to allow millions of super soldiers, who believe they are immortal, face their motality so totally would be a blow the imperium would not survive. The emperor and malcador certainly wouldn't want any astartes questioning their orders on the grounds of self preservation - isn't that indeed why the heresy started in the first place?

ooo i like the theorys goin on here... totally forgot this thread was going... was gonna say something but i just lost it... im sure ill remember later lol