Hey all,

I have two questions to ask you.

1) Did the entire Iron Hands Legion fight at the Drop Site Massacre, or just Ferrus Manus' elite warriors?

2) Does anyone knows what would happen to Traitors in a Loyalist Legion? For example, could a small detachment of Iron Hands 'disappear' around the time of the Heresy and go join Horus, yet still retain their original colors? Or if there was even a suggestion of turning traitor, would the Marine(s) be executed?

Thanks in advance.

1. Nope, just the veterans. Ferrus was determined to make it to Istvaan in order to take part in the battle, and only the fastest ships in his fleet could make it on time. He loaded up his vetarans on those ships and left the rest of the legion behind.

2. Depends on how secret they were. After all, we already have an example of elements of a loyal legion turning traitor with the Dark Angels. Their original Legion would be determined to wipe them out, and if the Imperium as a whole found out it seems likely there would be severe consequences for said legion, which is the main reason the DA are so cagey about the fallen. It seems hard to imagine how members of a Legion as strict and dogmatic as the Iron Hands could turn against both their Primarch and their Emperor, however. Still, part of the Dark Angels Legion did, so I suppose it is theoretically possible.

I agree, I think even though alot of the legions were concentrated with their Primarch, they were still scattered to more or a lesser extent throughout various parts of the crusade and as part of different expiditions.

Considering the overall level of insanity that characterises the Heresy, of brother fighting brother for confused reasons, I don't see any reason at all that any individual companies (or perhaps even squads) found themselves fighting for a side other than that of their Primarch.

Alright, thanks guys!

@Red: 1. Okay, I thought I read that correctly somewhere else, just wanted to make sure.

2. Thanks!

@Pacific: That was actually what I had in mind, was a Strike Cruiser disappearing in 30k, and fighting in the heresy, then disappearing, and reappearing in the current 40k time line.

Also, how many Marines are in a Strike Cruiser?

Strike Cruiser is 1 company if I remember correctly, plus supporting staff and vehicles.

I think that Traitor members of the Loyalist Legions would be rarer than Loyalist members of the Traitor Legions.

The Traitor Legions chose to follow Horus and their Primarch, breaking their oaths to the Emperor.

A knowing Traitor inside a Loyalist Legion would be breaking both their ties to the Emperor and their Primarch. As these loyalties are very strong, I don't see many marines breaking both.

@Mortarion: Alright, thanks!

@Magos: Thanks for the input! I was thinking of around one hundred Marines at the most, plus an Imperial Army Division. I'll probably write up some fluff for them, and put it in the Member's Articles forum.

I'd say it'd be far more likely for a piece of a Loyalist Legion which was attached to an Expedition headed by a traitor Primarch to go rogue. Force of personality and isolation from the majority of the Legion leading to as much devotion to the brother Legion's and Expedition's leading Primarch and philosophy.

Yes, I think alot could end up coming down to situation. Something may or may not seem the right decision at the time - consider Skraal fighting against the Word Bearers in BftA even though Angron had sided with Horus (and he had been told as such). attacking the Word Bearers seemed the right thing for him to do.

Imagine a force of Space Wolves garrisoned on a world for many years and being bypassed by the heresy and its events - how might they react to an echlesiastical force landing on their world and telling them they must reorganise and return to the rule of Terra?

@Benedict: I see. That will probably get worked into fluff. Thanks for the input!

@Pacific: *Smacks head*Why didn't I think of that? True, if a group of SWs got trapped like that, I doubt they'd be pleased....