HQ
Horus (chapter master) 175
Terminator Armor
Lightning claw (talon of hours)

Abbadon (captain) 150
Terminator armor
Lightning claw

ELITES
Terminators 200

TROOPS
10 tactical marines 225
meltagun
multi-melta
power weapon
rhino

10 tactical marines 225
(same setup)

5 scouts 135
3 snipers
heavy bolter (hellfire shells)
sergeant telion (make up name later?)

FAST ATTACK
10 assault squad 205
lightning claw

HEAVY SUPPORT
Land raider 260
Multi melta

Whirlwind 85

Predator 165
Twin linked lascannons
Side sponsons lascannons

any pre heresy wrongs here let me know, tht wld be great

warmaster horus

That looks fine to me! Like you said you just need to come up with a name for 'counts as' Telion.

For 75 pts how about a landspeeder? If you could get hold of one of the 2nd edition metal ones (the design featured in Collected Visions) it would be another way of labelling your army as distinctly 'pre-heresy', and I find they're great for the annoyance factor to your opponents. They're also ideal if you ever happen to get attacked while playing, as they would quite comfortably double up as a blunt instrument!

The only problem is that they are now OOP so you'll need to buy one from ebay, although they're not often that expensive I got mine for about £7.

thanks, and ill keep the landspeeder in mind, but im trying to make 1750. and as you can see 1825, is just 75 points over, i guess u got a little confused, maybe ill degrade my predator to heavy bolters on the side and find something else

haha ok sorry, i took 'lose' to mean spend :P

ok well now ive done some editing and now i have a new list that needs 135 or so points.

Horus (chapter master) 175
Termy
Lightning claw

Loken 130
Relic blade

5 assault termies 200
2 thunder hammer/storm shield

troops
10 tactical marines 225
melta
multimelta
power weapon
rhino

10 tactical 225
ditto

5 scouts 135
3 snipers
1 hellfire shells
sergeant telion (any ideas on a name, some one from the legion???)

fast attack
10 assault marines 205
lightning claw

heavy support
land raider 250

whirlwind 85

1630 is my total
i was thinking land speeder storm, and since its open topped, i cld use it to my advantage by shooting from within it, but i sorta just thought abour what if it explodes. i also just realized, no one in the squad can shoot if it moves...... sooo any ideas??

Hmm I'm not sure about the background of the LS Storm. As far as I know theres nothing like it in Collected Visions?

well i dont need it, scouts infiltrate, i dont expect to need to move them, i just dont know what to add.

well you could add some upgrades for Horus and Loken, like with Horus a storm bolter with hell fire rounds(so hit and wound on 2s) and with Loken try artificer armor

plus melta weapons aren't pre-heresy so try swapping them out with plasma, which are alil more points

well those are good ideas, but i was told that plasma weps were less pre heresy than anything, plus i dont like plasma. so i shld pay for the storm bolter too? i was just gonna ask my opponent if it was cool since its his weapon. i actually wanted to see more models put in with the last 120 points

Plasma weapons are referred to in False Gods. (Can't remember the page reference off the top of my head.)

As far I understand it, Melta weapons work on a more simple level than Plasma weapons, so it would be more than reasonable to assume that they were available.

Also there is nothing to indicate that they are not available in the 30k time frame.

ok well heres my thought, drop the 2 power weps in the tactical squads, give loken artificer armor, add a squad of either vangaurd or stern gaurd. if i add vangaurd, none wld get jump packs, add i wld be at either 1740 of 1745

well posibly in one squad drop a multi-melta making it a support squad for the termys of Loken, then get rid of hellfire shells and the heavy bolter in the scout squad wicth give u enough for a kick butt vanguard squad or command squad for Loken.

ooo and yes you do need to buy the storm bolter

the multi melta is free, and the heavy bolter is only ten points, i only have 120 points or so left to spend, therefore, i think dropping the multi melta wld be pointless

i thought that the rocket launcher was free not the multi-melta.
ok you could allways get a 5 man vanguard or command

A 10 man Sternguard squad, when used well can be absolutely devastating.

I hardly ever leave home without one. ;)

But for your points have you thought of a 5 man Devastator Squad with 3 x H. Bolters/M. Launchers or Multi-Melta's for some fire support, or maybe a Dread ?

i added a dread with twinlinked lascannons

this is the list

Horus (chapter master) 175
Termy
Lightning claw

Loken 145
Relic blade
Artificer armor

elites
5 assault termies 200
2 thunder hammer/storm shield

dreadnaught 135
twin linked lascannons

troops
10 tactical marines 210
melta
multimelta
rhino

10 tactical 210
ditto

5 scouts 135
3 snipers
1 hellfire shells
sergeant telion (any ideas on a name, some one from the legion???)

fast attack
10 assault marines 205
lightning claw

heavy support
land raider 250

whirlwind 85

whats the point value of this list

sorry
it was like 4 am when i posted it, its 1750 flat, i like the way things are set up but i wld like power weps in the tactical squads but its cool

Nice idea. I'm currently toying with the idea of 10-man tactical squads in a rhino, armed with a power weapon and no heavy. I've had too many games where you're paying all those points for one missile launcher or one lascannon is the only weapon firing in a squad of 5. I think its still possible to take a HB for not many extra points, and just jump the whole lot out onto an objective from a rhino and stick there.