Title: Opinions
Trixie Prower - November 11, 2008 01:05 AM (GMT)
Ok guys, It's been said I can't take opinions.
Well I'm here to prove that wrong.
Anything you find wrong, go ahead and state it.
As long as it's not aimed to insult me I'm for it at this point, I'd like to get everything up in the air now so if anybody has a problem with me or the staff say it, cause we're trying really hard to improve this place.
It's just sometimes hard to do with rumors going about and talk of the staff being high and mighty.
I want to explain to you that's not the case at all, the staff are supposed to lock topics they're supposed to "Mod" if we didn't there would be no order.
No staff member is more important then the other, no staff is better then a member, it's just a difference of title and responsibility nothing more.
Super_Taiream - November 11, 2008 01:09 AM (GMT)
Yeah,you're right about that trixie
some normal members find it like that at certain times
Cyalume - November 11, 2008 01:45 AM (GMT)
I have nothing personal against you, I simply disagree on a few things. The only thing other than that that had me going for a while was when you deleted Frazer's first topics, the ones that had the "Opinions" in them. Other than that, i'm fine.
Crocozaurus - November 11, 2008 02:31 AM (GMT)
If I have to be completely honest, I've been feeling that TTFF has been going through a period where opinions have just been unable to be accepted. Asecondopinion might have come off as a little suggestive, and maybe he rubbed off the wrong way, but I honestly feel that he was trying to help this place out. I know I'm not alone on this, because nobody who posted in that first topic said a bad thing against him. They agreed with him, they thought he was right. Except one, but we know who, why, and what happened afterwards.
Now, I'm not saying that everything he did was right. The spam topics he made after that topic was closed were merely insulting call-outs, and I've seen other posts that simply lashed out at you, but under the grounds that his topic was closed for, I can't say I blame him. "Stating specific members' names," if I recall correctly? Personally, that seemed like an excuse to get rid of the topic and end any debate. Why wait so long, then? Instead of immediately taking action, you tried to come off as a victim and brushed off anyone who tried to explain what Aso was saying.
The big mistake, though? Going after other people's topics that related to the issue. One serious topic asking you what was wrong was deleted without getting an answer. You didn't even say anything, you just junked it. Then Aso posted his second essay, then more stuff happened, but I won't go into detail, 'cause I'd only repeat things I already said. Instead, I'm going to skip to the Staff Room, where you posted something that really disturbed me. I won't repeat it, though, in respect for your "stays in the Staff Room" rule, but I'm sure you know what it was, and I must say that that particular statement was a statement of a dictator. Communism on TTFF isn't a joke that's limited to the Spam Section or my sig. It never was. It's REAL, Trixie. It's a REAL thing. Your desire for order and your overreaction to this entire fiasco have made it REAL. It's not an insult, it's not an attack on your reputation, it's not even my opinion. It's THE TRUTH, and God help every member on this forum that doesn't see that yet.
I could go on about a couple of other events that lead up to this specific point where Aso was finally banned, his attempts to help this forum seemingly in vain, but I've spent nearly 45 minutes on this post (Mostly due to the fact that I'm on my Wii now), and I already got my main point across, so I'll leave it at this. Before you respond' though, I want you to look at this post long, hard, and with an open mind. This is a huge crisis, Trixie. Bigger than anyone thinks.
I <3 Mints - November 11, 2008 02:38 AM (GMT)
I feel the same, whether you like an opinion or not, I think it should be readily accepted no matter what, seeing as you ARE the overseer of this forum, you should be ready to hear people's thoughts(that happen to be true) and if they see mistakes you should be ready to accept those facts in order to better yourself.
(Also, if you were talking about my topic, I requested it be trashed, because Cyalume told me something after I posted that, and I felt guilty about having it open at that point. If it was another one of Frazer's topics, then nevermind ^^;)
tails11 - November 11, 2008 02:42 AM (GMT)
Ok. So I am confused. I read the above posts but I still dont understand what exactly is going on. Could somebody explain this?
Crocozaurus - November 11, 2008 02:42 AM (GMT)
I <3 Mints: Actually, it was created by DashXFox, after Aso got suspended for the spam topics. He asked why Trixie couldn't handle criticism, and then it just vanished out of nowhere.
tails11: I can't help you with that. I laid it out like it is. I can understand if you're confused, since you may not have seen some of the topics described that were junk, but I said what I could say. Sorry I can't make things any clearer. =/
tails11 - November 11, 2008 02:44 AM (GMT)
Ok... So really this communisim junk is an insult or something? o.o;
~*Minty*~ - November 11, 2008 02:47 AM (GMT)
Oh, I wasn't here at the time because I was actually upset over all the topic deletions and things of that nature. I knew Dash was pretty pissed as well.
Also, tails11. We're talking about the opinion thing Some of us think that Trixie can't really take opinions that criticize her and some of the staff here. But to be quite honest, in most of the topics, the staff never got upset, it was really ONLY Trixie who had to delete the topics out of(anger? frustration? ect.) I dunno what it was exactly, or maybe just having her staff criticized upset her. I guess it would upset any lead admin. But you can't be completely oversensitive about these things, Trixie.
Criticism is there to help you get better in things, they're not personal attacks like you think.
knnywood364 - November 11, 2008 02:49 AM (GMT)
I'm REALLY lenient on my forum, and generally there aren't any problems. I only delete things if the topic is absolutely unacceptable, and I really have only banned people that are spambots.
Then again, my site isn't web PG.
tails11 - November 11, 2008 02:50 AM (GMT)
Ohh... Ok that helps :) I really dont want TTFF to go down for this kind of stuff I mean... >_> I dont really know how to explain it. :/
Cute lil Fox - November 11, 2008 02:53 AM (GMT)
The main problem hasn't been opinions, this is what has GOT to be realized.
The problem is overreacting. The problem is stating your opinion about someone (mainly Trixie) without a shred of proof, any suggestions on how to improve, and at the same time inserting swear words, calling people names, and telling people to shut up when they then state their opinions againt you. (if you dish it out, you have to be able to take it too.)
If you want to complain about not having your opinions heard, first you have to state your opinion without breaking the rules of conduct first. If you stay calm, simply state your opinion, give proof of your statement, and accept any opinions that do not agree with yours without any swearing or fighting, then I guearentee you will be able to post your stuff, and you will be heard.
whatever problems Trixie has, solve your problems first, then you have the right to stand up and give suggestions to someone else.
Specific suggestions: No bolding letters (I'm talking to you Crocozaurus), no thinking your thoughts are the only thoughts that count, accepting other people's opinions, and no calling names. We are mature people here, and it's time we started talking maturely to eachother. I'm not talking about just to Trixie, the problem also involves the way members themselves are being treated by various staff members.
tails11 - November 11, 2008 02:56 AM (GMT)
Hmm.. Good point CLF. I haven't really seen the staff treat members badly though O.o I must be missing something..
~*Minty*~ - November 11, 2008 03:02 AM (GMT)
Are you blind, CLF?(no insult intended)
We always had oodles of proff whenever we made a scathing topic like that. And we're not complaining about our opinions not being heard, in case you haven't noticed if our opinions weren't heard we wouldn't have had to worry about our topics being deleted like that. Also no bolding letters? WTF? I only italicised things, and I can do that if I want. It's to put more emphasis on things to get your point across.
And another thing, nobody here ever thought that their opinions were the only ones that mattered. I've ALWAYS accepted it when I was completely wrong, and I have accepted other's opinions on me.
(I only replied to the parts of your post that actually made sense, half of it I didn't even understand.)
tails11 - November 11, 2008 03:06 AM (GMT)
Ive noticed the whole opinion thing but.. geez I fell so stupid >.>
~*Minty*~ - November 11, 2008 03:06 AM (GMT)
I didn't know you posted before me, I was still typing my reply to CLF.
Cute lil Fox - November 11, 2008 03:08 AM (GMT)
"Are you blind?(no insult intended)"
...then don't say it. :unsure:
The bolding letters aplies to the princaple that were trying to be mature here. If you want to bold somthing, bold the begining of a list item.
why I like Chocolate: It's good.
A well thought out statement needs no bolds, no italic, no underlines. State your opinion, don't go overboard.
Proof: what I mean: I mean you have no proof that Trixie is a dictator, so don't call her one. If you do, and you don't actualy mean she is a dictator, then that's calling her a name, which again is not mature and very uneeded for a well thought out statement.
"(I only replied to the parts of your post that actually made sense, half of it I didn't even understand)"
I took college coarses on these things, sorry if it's a bit wordy. ^^;
~*Minty*~ - November 11, 2008 03:12 AM (GMT)
Well last time I checked bolding was there to egt your point across better. I see no part of that being immature.
And yes a well thought-out statement shouldn't need anything bolded or in italics, but for some people who just don't get IT! you have to add that extra emphasis.
*sighs* the dictator thing, I won't even waste time on that.
And when I said I didn't understand some of the things, I meant they made no sense.
tails11 - November 11, 2008 03:14 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (~*Minty*~ @ Nov 10 2008, 10:06 PM) |
| I didn't know you posted before me, I was still typing my reply to CLF. |
Oh... Ignore that post then.. :mellow:
CLF you make very good points. I think people should just respect each other and their opinions.
Cute lil Fox - November 11, 2008 03:18 AM (GMT)
"Well last time I checked bolding was there to egt your point across better. I see no part of that being immature."
Well last time you checked? If I was reading that as an everyday man, I would think you were insulting my intellegence. Insulting other people's intellegence is rude, it's no good when debatting with someone else.
"but for some people who just don't get IT"
I thought the issue was getting your opinion heard, if I thought this was about forcing people to see your point of view then there we would have a totaly diffrent issue.
"And when I said I didn't understand some of the things, I meant they made no sense."
You really want me to respond to that? Lets leave that alone, please.
~*Minty*~ - November 11, 2008 03:20 AM (GMT)
Emphasis doesn't force people. >.<
*facepalms for the rest of the post*
Crocozaurus - November 11, 2008 03:23 AM (GMT)
CLF: As I stated earlier, I threw out what I could throw out. If you can't find yourself to take my word for granted, then I'm sorry that I can't help you. The actual topics and statements are in sections hidden away from regular members, which I suppose is understandable, considering that some random stranger could waltz in and dig something up to cause trouble, so it would take a lot of trust to allow someone to see those sections. Unlike Aso, I have enough respect to not fully reveal what the staff apparently doesn't want fully revealed, so I can only give vague images. I'm not using the word "dictator" as a mere insult. That's all I can assure you.
As for the bolded words, it's like Minty said, it helps with emphasis, so it can get across a little clearer. I'm not using it as an insult or anything else, I think it just helps every now and then. I apologize if that came out as rude. I really have no intention of this leading to something ugly.
Speaking of which, let's all take a few seconds to calm down. The temperature's rising on both sides here, and this topic isn't about who's right and who's wrong. It's about stating what you think is wrong with the forum. I already did that. I'm not going to force my statement into anybody's head, and I'm not going to shut down anybody for having a different opinion. The only two things I'll do is try to explain what I said if I feel that there was a misunderstanding, and of course, wait for a personal response from Trixie. That's all.
Cute lil Fox - November 11, 2008 03:32 AM (GMT)
Very good. Thank you Croc, that's a very mature thing to do. I was going to say more, but I'll also contribute to stopping.
knnywood364 - November 11, 2008 03:42 AM (GMT)
You know what, I'm not a mod, so I don't know how much discussion actually goes on before decisions are made. But I think it would be a good idea to have a fair amount.
Crocozaurus - November 11, 2008 04:10 AM (GMT)
Ah, one other thing that recently crossed my mind. This has nothing to do with the recent events that took place or the behavior of any staff member, but rather the current layout of the staff itself. There are currently 5 admins, which I suppose is alright, considering the size of this forum, but I'm worried about the fact that there are only two super mods and four normal admins, three of which are currently facing activity problems, one way or another. This may 'cause a problem, for while most of the admins are frequently active and can obviously do anything needed to improve or stabilize the forum, there are rare times where none of them are on, and a time might come when an incident happens and a topic has to be locked, but it can't be because there aren't any admins or super mods on and the right normal mod for the section may not be on at the time, or the section may not have a normal mod in control at all. (There are a few sections that fall under this category, just a heads-up.)
Now, I don't necessarily mean get rid of all the normal mods and replace them with more active members. They're in no way the cause of any problem right now. I'd work on the super mod group first, considering there are only two right now. It's not that they aren't capable, it's just that it's such a small group. As for how, I'll leave that to you guys. I can't really throw in anything else in this subject.
~*Minty*~ - November 11, 2008 04:14 AM (GMT)
I was thinking that it would be good to have a third super mod, and have about five-six normal mods. The third one would have to be one that is on more than Tails(I know he's on quite a bit, but still)
And the two new mods would have to be moderators of at least 7 forums.
Neku - November 11, 2008 04:16 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Crocozaurus @ Nov 10 2008, 11:10 PM) |
Ah, one other thing that recently crossed my mind. This has nothing to do with the recent events that took place or the behavior of any staff member, but rather the current layout of the staff itself. There are currently 5 admins, which I suppose is alright, considering the size of this forum, but I'm worried about the fact that there are only two super mods and four normal admins, three of which are currently facing activity problems, one way or another. This may 'cause a problem, for while most of the admins are frequently active and can obviously do anything needed to improve or stabilize the forum, there are rare times where none of them are on, and a time might come when an incident happens and a topic has to be locked, but it can't be because there aren't any admins or super mods on and the right normal mod for the section may not be on at the time, or the section may not have a normal mod in control at all. (There are a few sections that fall under this category, just a heads-up.)
Now, I don't necessarily mean get rid of all the normal mods and replace them with more active members. They're in no way the cause of any problem right now. I'd work on the super mod group first, considering there are only two right now. It's not that they aren't capable, it's just that it's such a small group. As for how, I'll leave that to you guys. I can't really throw in anything else in this subject. |
Wow,nice point Croc
Trixie Prower - November 11, 2008 07:43 AM (GMT)
Alright I suppose I could have handled things a little better, I'm only human I make mistakes.
I just didn't like them being thrown at me, you know? even if it was unintentional, it still cut to the clear a bit, I can't help the mistakes I make occasionally, I do try to improve on them I'm not all "WELL EXCUSE ME FOR HAVING HUGE FLAWS THAT I DON'T WORK ON!" you know? :)
I started this place and it bloomed and that's been something I've been happy about, something I know I've at least achieved, I hope one day to add a published book to the list which is why my time is thinner.
I don't know if you know this about me but I'm a very goal oriented person, it's a big piece of my personality.
My Dad's the exact same way, sometimes we'll dedicate ourselves to a hundred different things but we always have our priorities.
So yeah, I've had a little less time.
But if you do check my log, I've been on at least every day of the year, (Besides vacations)
My attendance is very high because I like this place, I like to try to improve it as best I can, anybody who's seen my actions knows I love this place and put as much time as possible into it. :)
Another flaw I have is grammar, guilty as charged, you can judge me on that if you want.
It's just not my strong-suit, people are better at different things.
I can't match my brother's speed on a treadmill, but I read faster then him.
People are wired differently, you all can understand that. =)
So anyway it wasn't so much what he said, it was how he said it, and the fact he recreated it five times.
Also in the goodbye topic he made, couldn't he have done anything better to explain his departure then to try making fun of me?
If somebody took the thing you put the most time into, the most important thing in your eyes and said they'd sell it on amazon, wouldn't you be a little insulted?
Nobody can say that, and it's not their fault cause they don't realize how important writing is in my life, That's my life's goal, some people want to be a famous singer, a sport's newscaster, whatever your passion is, you should always follow it right?
And seeing that just made me feel...well frankly awful...I don't like the jokes that are aimed for a negative response, and nobody can say he didn't know that would upset me, if they didn't they don't know me very well, I love my writing, as suckish as it is, it's still my work.
I did give him chances, but he recreated topics again.
I have to be able to stand up for myself even if in others' eyes "It's not a big deal."
But really, writing is a big deal to me.
After he made the topic, I didn't give him a warn level, both times.
The first time I told him through pm to "Please not create topics." completely polite.
The second time he knew he shouldn't recreate the topic but he did it again.
After he did it anyway I was forced to react.
Sometimes I make choices that aren't popular, but really, when does everybody agree 100%?
Have you ever been punished by a parent and disagreed with them? has your sister or brother gotten to stay up and you don't consider it fair?
Every choice will upset a person and I've made mistakes in the past trying to please everybody at the same time, it's just not humanly possible. ^^;
I've been told by the members before to step up but when I do they want me back down again, I can't possibly do what everybody wants.
Like when somebody's elected, some people liked McCain and some Obama, each person disagreed with each persons' argument, that's how people are, they have their own opinions.
But when opinions get out of hand that's different.
"all" opinions can't be accepted, otherwise why does it say "No Bashing" in the rules? isn't it "technically" an opinion?
So at whatever end there's no way to please everyone, but I'll take your criticism to heart, and it's alright to speak up because I "asked" for the criticism, I just don't like unannounced talk about me behind my back, cause it's more like gossip.
I can't change my activity problem, though I'm on every single day even if you don't see me, I'll be on.
I don't know about grammar, I'm learning but I don't know if my standards will ever be as high as the logical thinkers, those types of minds can comprehend language unbelievably well.
My friend in real life can speak Latin like the back of his hand and I know it, but I still struggle, that's just the way my mind works.
I can say I'll try to improve but I'll never be at say: Croc or Sonic J's level, that's just not me, and I'll have to accept that my strengths are elsewhere.
Anyway, I think everything needing said has been said, so, I shall respectfully close this topic. ^^ *Closed*