i saw these in a combo somone was doing and i was wondering how u pull it off?

If you can't do a backaround, don't even bother yet.

Yeah, Backaround 23 and 34 are done similiarly to the basic Backaround 12, the pen just goes through different slots.

A quick question about middle and ring baks:

I'm learning both versions anyway, but technically should a middle bak go all the way around and end in 23, or just be a "half bak" and end in 12?

I think it should end in the starting position. If it ends in 12 then it would be called bak 23-12 or 34-12.

Also another quick question. What do you call a bak that dosen't go through t1? Its something like a rev MA done with bak movement, or a neobak 23-12 > fl pass 12-23. I can't remember the name. I used to assume that was the middle bak.

I'm still under the impression that the basic Backaround ends in between the Thumb and Index finger, in the usual writing position.

that is the backaround23-23. middle bak is another name, but the technical one is backaround23-23.

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@sketching: I don't understand what you mean by basic backaround. Are you saying that all backarounds (even those that start at 34 and 23) should end at T1? if so, I think that's a misconception
-Ko

Hmm but dosen't a bak 23-23 also go through t1? I basically want to know the two names that are given for a bak which goes from 23-23 that goes through t1 (which is believe is bak 23-23/middlebak) and a bak 23-23 that goes through 12 instead of t1. (i.e. the two fingers above the starting position, rather then the standard t1). This trick can also be applied in 34 by going through 23.

originally, the backaround is only supposed to go up the hand. (for example, backaround 12-T1, backaround 23-T1, backaround 34-12, etc.) however, there are slight 'variations' which add a fingerless pass at the end of the backaround (such as backaround 23-23). this way of calling the backaround is very vague, as it can mean that the pen goes between 12 and back to 23, or it goes around T1 and goes back to 23. however, a way to determine the differences between the two would be to call them either a 'middleindexbak' or something of the sort.

my question is whether or not the fingerless pass should be included in a (finger)bak as a whole trick. or would a middlebak (example) would just be a backaround 23-12?

Nope, just that I remember David saying that Backarounds should end in that slot. It's like the basic Thumbaround which ends in between the Index and Thumb. You obviously don't have to end either trick there.

It seems to me that it is an acceptable variation to not go through the T1 slot for something like a Backaround 23-23.

Yea, I've noticed that alot of people are doing back around>middle around. Really tough cause the ring finger always gets in the way. I think you gotta use the Korean back around to pull this off right?

You should lurk around all the PS sites and see those tricks and combos (i'm not referring to any showcases or promo vid). You will be able to learn more naming related stuff from there.

Look for neobackround at PenSpinPalace:
http://www.geocities.com/bananacreampie1/pentricks/

How do u do them, I know backaround, and i can't seem to find a thread

middlebak:

1) think of a devils around
2) think of a devils around reverse
3) think of a devils around reverse used with wrist motion

#3 is a middlebak

same concept for ringbak

whats the starting position for a middle bak

23 - palmdown -most of the pen on top of the hand

is this considered midbak too?
youtube

would it be called like.. midbak 12-23? o.O?0

edit: aahah im on ucpsb in it

It is a midbak with an added pass before it, not 12-23

So, fl Pass12-23 > Midbak 23-23

does the midbak spin around the finger or spin and touches the knucle of middle finger and comes back on finger 1 and 2

to me.. mid bak is going around behind the middle finger and going 1 round and landing back bertween 23.. it goes through 12..

do you hold the pen like on the first knucle of the middle finger or nearer to the middle fist knucle?

I don't understand what is done to do a midbak.

I think that learning mid and ringbak will greatly improve my combo building abilitys.

Could someone please explain exactly how to do it?

Just do a backaround but in the ring-middle finger slot but dont make it go around your index, make it only go around your middle ( i was confused about this at first also)

Is there any way I should contort my hand so that it doesn't hit my index?

hold your index finger down

Okay, after trying all day, I have yet to get even the motion down.

My pen just starts to slide down to my wrist whenever I try.

Is it something wrong with the way I hold it?

maybe you should push a little bit harder. hold the pen where you errr, put your thumb in a thumbaround. :). try to keep a distance between your index and middle finger. :). hope this helps :).

i have a pic, maybe it helps with positioning.


edit: K4S, well, I'm in a serious mood right now, no time for XD's, I'm reading a book for tomorrow, so I'm in my nerdy mode, XD. <--- there, xD. XD.

Uh, i finally realized that to do middle and ring bak you have to do the korean version...otherwise it falls down to my wrist as you said OmegEn.

Im shocked zblader...you didnt have any XD's ...:xd:

Thank you, now I just need to work on getting it all the way around the finger. :hah:

hmm, i just realized that when i do middlebak i am holding the pen mostly with 12 instead of 23 during release....and with ringbaks i am using mostly 23 instead of 34. Is this a major problem?

I don't think so, thats what I do when I bakfall.

If I remember correctly, starting Middlebak from 12 would be more like FL Pass 12-23 > Middlebak 23-23. Same goes with Ringbak starting from 23..

not necisarrily..... put 1 and 2 fingers up and all the rest down, like in a peace sign. Hold the pen w/ most of it towards your palm. then do a midbak 12-23..... it does 1.5 rotations, and there's definatly no fingerless pass to 23, because your 3rd finger is down.....

if that wasnt clear i can make a vid.

Its actually a strange variant of a mid/ring bak. You could call it a mid/ring bak 1.5, since it does in fact do 1.5 rotation, however that would insenuate that it did .5 rotational spin on the back of your hand... perhaps something for the NC to look at.

Since PSconclave died...I haven't been able to acquire any tutorial vids to practice to <_<

Can anyone here link me to a good midbak/cont. midbak video?

Youtube is fine since I use Firefox's video downloader