i cant exactly get the catch on the Double Thumb around, i watched the vid by kam on www.pentrix.com like 100 times lol, any pointers on how to do it wud be nice


thanks in advance
Rish

master fl ta first is my only advice

how do u do that lol, i can almost do it, but same prob, cant get the catch

Uhh...

A lot of it is in the hand movement (no fingers, hence fingerless) so make sure you're moving your hand right in order to get the push.

Otherwise there's not much to FL TA just practice and practice. I admit, it is a tough trick to learn.

I learned how to do this without learning FL TA beforehand. What I did was follow the tip on Kaisen's wonderful website and used the index finger to help.

What that means exactly is that when the pen comes around from the first TA, the pen should be almost in the same exact spot it first began, but closer to the thumb. The reason you want this is so you can get the fingerless part to work.

Now when the pen gets back to starting position, curl your index finger up and bend it towards the thumb. Your hand should look like a thumbs-up gesture. Next, there is no real "trick" for this, but just twist your wrist a little to the right, and a little downward. This wrist motion will give the necessary momentum to complete the trick.

When you curl your hand into the thumbs-up gesture, you should feel some pressure between your thumb and the lower side area of your index finger. I kinda use that as a "grip."

If you watch the video from Turtlespin, you will get a very good feel for what I just typed up.



Hope this helps! I learned this relatively quickly... In about 20 minutes! So, if I can do it, you most certainly can too! :lol:

Eso do you start the 1st TA push with your index or middle finger? When I use my middle, I can get the pen into the fl ta position, but the index won't curl up in time and blocks the way of the fl ta. And if I use my index, I can get the thumbsup position, but the pen is caught at the tip, not in a position to do a fl ta. Any suggestions?

I usually do my regular TA with my middle finger. However, I just tried it with the index finger and I can get it in time. However, my TA is very slow haha.

I've seen the way you do your TAs sicxer. Your index finger is pretty far out. When I usually do my TAs, my index finger is pretty close the thumb already. My suggestion would be for you to slow down the TA so that you can actually move your index close in time.

For the other problem, I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "caught at the tip." If you mean that the pen is caught in such a way that the tip is what you grab and the COG is off by a long shot, then the only thing I can suggest to you is to adjust your TA technique a little bit to accomodate for this particular trick. Seems like a pain in the ass, because I know how awesome your TA Harmonics are (I so wish I could do that!). I wish I had a camera to show you exactly what I mean, but for now, text is all I can offer. Sorry!


But yeah, I highly suggest you do it with the middle finger. You have more options and won't have to compromise your way of TA.




EDIT: Levi, even though you couldn't get Double TA before, you still could do a ton of other stuff. Not to mention your control of the pen is awe-inspiring.
/fanboy :lol:

Yay I just managed to fluke it! Yea, slow down the spin, good advice. Guess I'm still too used to TA harmonic.

And yes thats what I meant by 'caught at the tip'. Meaning I would catch it at the edge of the pen. I usually use this for a counter TA.

Don't know if this is breaking the rules, but I found out some important information.

I found out a way to do it at a much faster speed. Before, the method I posted up is good for slow to medium TA speeds. For the faster ones, I found out that you have to let the pen continue to spin past the beginning position of a TA and slightly use the "thumbs-up" gesture to nudge the pen further to complete the second circle.


Another thing is how to do continuous FL TA. Though some of you may already know this, but all you have to do is after nudging the pen with the wrist motion, bring it back to a TRUE thumbs up position and wait for the pen to come around. When it comes by, repeat the fingerless motion again, ad infinitum. So far I am only able to do 2 consecutive arounds before I spaz out and drop the pen.

Uh guys, i am able to do normal thumbaround easily and fingerless thumbaround easily but i am unable to put the two together. when i do the thumbaround normal, i end up after the COG and that makes it difficult to continue with the fingerless. Any help or tips from anyone??

Repositioning is key to doing a FL TA after the first TA.
Hence, try learning Cont. TA first. If you can do 3-4 cont. TA, you are good to go.

Well I had craploads of problems with that too, took alot of practice ;P

Anyways this is how I do it; to a normal TA, but when it has gone around the thumb dont catch it, instead let it "roll" on your index finger and catch it when the pen is at the tip.

You may have to really slide your Thumb over to the tip of the pen and use alot of movement to get the pen spinning for the FL TA.

Eventually, I moved my Thumb in be about 1/2 way between the COP and the end of the pen for the FL TA push.

Also, the pen should already be starting to rotate around the Thumb before starting the FL TA. The pen is about 1/8 around the Thumb and still has momentum when I start the FL TA.

Who's the kid eh?

Anyway, just to add on, you also need to learn how to do FL TA properly too. Try resting the pen on the index area, with your hand half clenched and perpendicular to the ground. This is pretty much like how nhk started his combo in the UPSB-PDS collab.
Doing a TA with the index does make it easier, at least for me.

I'm not sure if this is supposed to be here but how do u get the second spin in Double TA????????????? :dunno: :help:

reposition ur thumb and do a fingerless ta theres a tread for this in the master tread thingy

Do a rather gentle thumb around, preferably with an index finger push.
Then close all you fingers while keeping the thumb sticking out and make a counter clockwise (right handed I assume) circle with the hand, while following the blue marker which I cleverly present to you :P



The entire process should be done gently and slowly as possible.

All mentioned above is my interpretation of the double thumb around and it can probably be done differently.

CHECK THE STICKIES. I'm going to merge this into the double TA thread now.

Nice picture Shoeman. Well for Double TA, do a TA index push and then when that has finished make another circle with your hand for the Fl. TA. The only problem is that you'll have to figure out how to reposition the COG for another TA (fl. TA).

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vGw0QPc_EO0

Hi...

I have worked a lot on my double ta lately... I have worked a lot on trying to get the transaction between the two parts of the trick as smooth as possible...
What i realized that made the trick a lot smoother for me, is that you dont have to add speed to the pen to do the second ta. You would think that the pen has to get speed from both the ta and the fl ta part... but, you actually just need to let the pen continue its motion from the first ta... the way i do this is just by moving the thumb to the right (for right handed) when the pen is back at the starting position of the first ta... then the pen does the work... atleast for me... and it removes that jerk between the two parts...

hmm... that probably didn't help anybody...