k i dont get backaround fall

its bak 12-12 then pass 12-23 then bak 23-23 etc right?

or is it bak 12-23,then 23-34

then 34-....45?

like the pinkybak? wtf?

k thanks

After the RingBak, the pen should be in the right position for the PinkyBak. I'll upload a video when you ask for it. :)

if u know the finger basics like 1 = indexfinger etc ill explain this as good as i can.
the middle number of the breakdown is always the finger that is on top of the pen, so if i say like this, 123 > midbak then its the middlefinger on the pen, ring and index under.
ok listen up, this is how bakfall works:
Bak > pass 123 > midbak > pass 123-234(ringfinger is above the pen, holding it) > ringbak > pass 234-34 (now the pen is hold only had 34, so it got catched at 234 again, and then went as a pass so it only was holded by 34, then u can simply do an pinkyaround) > pinkyaround.

Bak > pass 123 > midbak > pass 123-234 > ringbak > pass 234-34 > pinkyaround.
i hope i cleared this for u.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvDYCgE2Nk8

Hm... Done, haha.. Hey FooK, I got it on the first try! ;)

ill would say try to keep your finger relaxed and focus on the motion of the hand

By any chance would this be a Korean backaround fall? The first two baks always look Korean.

Err, I don't understand what a "Pass 123" is. Is this the same as a Fingerpass? I thought those were written as "Fingerpass 34-23" and such?

I'm lost :(.

it's pinkybak. not pinkyaround. yes, there's a difference.

yes. so does bak fall.

pass 123 = pass 12-23

they are...pass 123 is just an older way.

if you're talking about Eriror's, then yes.

they greatly resemble reverse indexaround and such. why call it backaround when it seems to be more like a reverse around?
-Ko

you do a bak from 12, instead of catching at T1, let it slip under the index and middle fingers and catch at 23. but bak 12-23 is not used in either the neobak fall nor the bak fall.

well...i don't have a camera, but sunrise does both of them at his site -
http://www4.pf-x.net/~sunrise/pen/

^just click on the link that says "backaround combo" around the bottom of the page.

the first thing he does is almost a neobak fall, except he does a bak at the end (it's supposed to be a neobak caught at 34). the second is the bak fall.

at least someone who thinks like me :) .whe had a debate on ucpsb, and i was one of the few (logical) people who noticed that these look more like around than baks.

i ve always fought this combo should be called "around fall" and not bakfall

I always thought of Backaround Fall to be like what David Weis (I think) had talked about before:

Backaround 12 (go through the T1 slot straight into 23) >
Backaround 23 (go through the T1 slot straight into 34) >
Backaround 34 (caught in the T1 slot)

in david weis definition a backaround must pass over the index to be a real backaround, so i think what we call mid back(for example) couldn't really be considered as backaround since it doesn't pass over the index...

but seems nobody doesn't think like that anymore

Names change as time goes on and more tricks are discovered.

Imagine if our thumbs weren't opposable (opposite of the other 4 fingers), a regular bak would look just like a middlebak. But they don't look the same because of the placement of the thumb. So, a middlebak is a real backaround, ir just doesn't look the same.

Around fall is indexaround > pass rev 12-23 > middlearound > pass rev 23-34 > ringaround

Here's a video of some reverse arounds and baks (korean).

http://www.zippyvideos.com/2043558745527236/arounds_baks/

There's a difference between a reverse around and a bak. A reverse around is more vertical, and a bak is fingerless and more horizontal.

ive many problems with this trick hier are some trys can someone help me ??

I got stuck at the ring finger too. I was thinking about doing a Korean bakaround, but would that still qualify as a back around fall?

I would post a vid of my backaround fall but my face is visible so i won't.
And practice makes perfect.

Edit: made an other vid
http://www.zippyvideos.com/1785792535657576/bak_fall/

is this call bakfall or what ?
If this is bakfall , i will partice on it, if wrong please show me right bakfall , slowly plz :help:
Youtube

Yes, that's a Bakfall, although it's a slow one. If you are able to make it more smooth, then yeah, it'd be awesome.

BakFall = Rev. IA -> Rev. MA -> Rev. RA -> Rev. PA?

Gaah, I thought it only was to Rev. RA D: Now I have to practise even more >.>

A true bak fall would be Bak > MiddleBak > RingBak > PinkyBak.

Most people don't do proper BackArounds in it though, so very few can do a true BackAround fall.

I just can't do my ringbak well and i cannot link the bak with the middle bak easily. "sigh" I'll have to keep practicing.

Yes it's Bak fall

but hard to practice ring bak

:angry:

I learnt Backfall in really few time by training: Rev MA > Rev RA. Only practice this... and then you'll get it :D

but they aren't arounds, they're baks, that's why it's called bakfall, not around fall

the ones you probably find most attractive and that is used most are the korean backarounds.

I think XZ does his with the Weissan ones.

when it comes to the baks after the first one, they don't end up truly weissan

but what made you think i do my bakfalls weissan anyways?

My midback goes just below middle knuckle of finger. Is this considered a true bak?

No, that isn't the BackAround Fall. It more closely resembles the NeoBackAround Fall that the BackAround Fall.

What you did is (questionably): NeoBackAround Normal 12-123 > NeoBackAround Normal 23-234 > NeoBackAround Normal 34-34 > PinkBackAround Normal 34-34

The BackAround Fall is: BackAround Normal 12-T12 > Pass Normal 12-23 > MiddleBackAround Normal 23-123 > Pass Normal 23-34 > RingBackAround Normal 34-234 > PinkyBackAround Normal 34-34

The NeoBackAround Fall is: NeoBackAround Normal 12-123 > NeoBackAround Normal 23-234 > NeoBackAround Normal 34-34

So what you did is NeoBackAround Fall > PinkyBackAround Normal 34-34.

Korean BackAround Fall

Hm...

Uhh so wasn't it a hybrid?

Umm.

I always though BackAround Fall was just BackAround > MiddleBackAround > RingBackAround > PinkyBackAround. I don't see the need for any passes.

And, Korean BackAround is just a Fingerless IndexAround Reverse. Korean Bak fall would be a Fingerless Around Reverse fall for me.

Weis states clearly in his description of a BackAround that it will go around the knuckle. If it doesn't go around the knuckly, it isn't a BackAround, it's a Fingerless Around Reverse, since all the pen is doing is going around the finger, not a part of the hand.

Thats actually impossible if you were to try.

Which part would be impossible?

It's not impossible. I don't think you need to use passes.

The passes aren't really passes its more like adjusting the cog.

It's not impossible..it's just mad hard. :thumb:

IMO, that would be equivalent (in difficulty) to Cont. Ringbak X4. :banana:

The way everyone does it uses passes. So. ..it would be like..

bak 12-12 -> pass 12-23 -> middlebak 123-23 -> pass 23-34 -> ringbak 234-34 -> pinkybak 34-34.

They're passes.

BackAround Fall(Korean Style)
Use vietnamese : phù mệt quá !!!!

So BackAround Fall would be like: BackAround Normal 12-T23 > MiddleBackAround Normal 23-134 > RingBackAround Normal 34-234 > PinkyBackAround Normal 34-34? That's what I thought so initially. But I wasn't the first one to give the name BackAround Fall, so I guess I have no control over it.

Logically, that probably should be how the combo is performed (Bak>MBak>RBak>PBak, no passes).

Also, from a technical standpoint, should a falling/rising combo contain tricks other than the one doing the fall/rise (in this case, should the pass be included in the bak fall)? In my opinion, no. But that's not up to me :lol:. Anyway, it's no biggie, just my 2 cents.