I don't understand how to do FL ta rev

I also need help with fake double...

For fingerless TA rev:

starting position: It's the same as for FL TA, except, the pen should be sticking out mostly to the right of your hand (for right handers), rather than mostly to the left as it would be for FL TA. Your index finger will be in the same position as for FL TA.

The motion: Now, to get the pen to spin around your thumb, you must pull your wrist backwards quite sharply, the pen will probably spin a little bit around your thumb and drop on the floor. To stop this happening you just need to trial and error until it spins around your thumb all the way, i find that SLIGHTLY tiliting my wrist to the left helps this to happen.

The catch: when the pen is most of the way around your thumb, tuck your index finger in to catch it.

I hope that helps!

For fake double:

Starting position: Start in a normal TA postion, but, with the pen held more vertically at about the same angle as this /.

The motion: Push the pen as if you were going to do a TA, however, instead of moving your index finger out of the way, keep it where it is. You should find the pen goes around your thumb as a in a normal TA, but when it reaches your index finger, it will try and go around that to. You just need to trial and error once again with slightly different pushing forces and angles to hold the pen until you find it goes around the index also. I find that once the pen has gone around the thumb, tucking the thumb in SLIGHTLY in the same way you would for a thumbspin helps the pen to go around the index finger smoothly.

The Catch: You catch it as you would an indexaround, between index and middle fingers.

nice mats

but i would like to add to the fake double

tilt your hand at the end much liek yu would with tw sonic bust

it sould be about backround starting position (as in tilt angle) at the end of the tilt (weis)

think of fl rev ta as a backaround around the thumb. u kinda spin the wrist in the same way

I don't really understand neoback...

I learned Fake Double why watching Kam's Fake Triple video on Pentrix. It took a lot of practice, but was worth it.

FL TA FL TA Reverse:
I'm not sure what mats is trying to say but I found the easiest way to learn this trick is to start from a position similar to writing position. Then quickly push your hand forward into the pen making sure you don't do any kind of a Reverse TA push with your index. If you do it that way the spin/catch in the exact same at a normal TA reverse.

Fake Double:
One of my favorite tricks. Start it just like a TA, no special angle or anything. Do a normal TA. Then, still without tilting your hand or anything do an index around normal(hoizontal w/ index push). That's the basics of the trick, just work on getting rid of the pause between the two tricks.


Neoback is pretty easy if you already know backaround, so if you don't go and learn that first. Neobacks are much easier to do Korean style so try it that way. Basically do it like a backaround but try to keep the pen on the back of your hand rather than send it to T1. You do this by lowering your index to the same level or lower than your middle. Learning Shadows will help you with this.

Fix'd. :)

Also, it's more a BackAround Reverse.

when i do the fake double, there is a little tilting of the hand so i dont have to open up my hand to do the IA. its kinda horizontal lik a rev bak

I must have been thinking that... I wouldn't really call it a backaround reverse because it's not fingerless. Maybe a fingerd backaround reverse but that does sound quite right.