SORRY GUYS

i just found out that fake double is acutally ta>rev pass t1-12

and tornado is the trick i have been doing this whole time

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i always thought they were the same thing

ive been doing cont tornado...

its becuas eppl kept telling me tornado and fakedouble/ext ta were teh same thing!!

gah i can barely do a real fake double. im learning fake double right now T_T

i thought they were the same thing. or maybe tornado is ext ta with a rev bak added. (heard that somewhere)

fakedouble and ext ta are different, they end in different position but are essential the same thing but not... get it? one ends in 12 and fake double ends back in ta position.

Tornado is the other name for one of those but I forget which.

NO

you wrong

tornado ahs nothing to do with ext ta and fake double

so in reality

- FAKE DOUBLE - EXT TA - TORNADO -

ALL COMPLETLTY DIFFERNT TRICKS

i know fake duoble and ext ta r different. but wats the diffence for tornado?

tornado is just a TA that goes around t1 instead of just t.

ext. TA is: TA > rev pass t1-12

fake double is: TA > rev pass t1-12 > rev pass 12-t1 (getting ready for another TA making fake triple...according to sketching anyway)

Actually, fake double and tornado are the same thing. It is caught at T1, while extended thumb around is caught at 12.

wrong.

i just stated above, TORNADO is a TA that goes around t1 (tornado) instead of just your thumb (aka TA).

fake double is JUST LIKE ext TA but has the extra rev pass 12-t1

do i have to upload my video i made toasty?

Incorrect.

Tornado:
http://www.penspinning.info/normal/combo/index.html#Tornado

http://www4.pf-x.net/~sunrise/pen/

Extended Thumb Around:
http://www.penspinning.info/normal/combo/i...preadSingleAxel

alright. LIKE I SAID!!! tornado is a TA that goes around t1 and lands in 12

where's your video for fake double? <_<

I believe I already said Fake Double and Tornado are the same trick. And the way you explained Tornado made it sound like you meant it was only one spin. Also, that tornado ends up in T1, not 12.

u pretty much just proved yourself wrong there. fake double goes completely around T, then around your index in a fingerless reverse pass from T1-12.

while a tornado goes around both T and 1 and lands in 12, with one rotation, rather than the 1.5 of a fake double.

toast can do cont tornados well, and continuous fake doubles are impossible considering that if u start the TA for the Fake double again you do one fake triple. then make that continous.

so in the end here, fake double and tornado are 2 DIFFERENT TRICKS.



~i'm on a mac~

It seems to be a common mistake distinguishing between extended thumb around and fake double. Your explanation of fake double is that of extended thumb around. Fake double has two complete rotations, while extended thumb around has 1.5. Please refer to the aforementioned links that I posted. Futhermore, your description of tornado is more like a thumb-index around.

here's my vid

http://media.putfile.com/ext-TA-fake-double-tornado-tut

all 3 tricks are described in there

This is an issue of matching the trick name to the trick.

Pen around the thumb, then around the index, caught at T1 is a tornado, or fake double. Two rotations.

Pen around the thumb, then halfway around the index, caught at 12 is an extended thumb around. 1.5 spins.

Pen around the thumb and index, caught at 12 is something completely different.

watch your own video please...

it goes around t1 at the same time making it tornado

Except the only difference is that it has two spins. If the pen goes around the thumb and index, and has two spins, I have no problem admitting that it is a tornado, even if it doesn't clearly go between the thumb and index. If the pen goes around the thumb and index and only spins once, it is something completely different.

I think all these trick should just be named like this:

ThumbIndexAround 1.0 t1-12
ThumbIndexAround 1.5 t1-12
ThumbIndexAround 2.0 t1-t1

no, becuase they have extra rotations by rounds, not spins, so this owould be confusing



@xz64 i was apologizing and clraifying to otheres, since not many people know >_>

no b/c fake double doesnt go around teh thumb and index at the same time. it goes around the thumb first, then the index

The second 2 would be simmilar to same as extended TS.

Extended TA = TA -> "rev. bak" (ends in 12)
Fake double = TA -> rev. bak -> "fl." pass rev. 12-T1
Thumbindexaround = Thumbindexaround = Tornado from what I understand

Edit: from what i see on sunrise's vid Tornado is Thumbindexaround 1.5 o

i cant watch sunrise's for some reason, but aysh's tornado is definitely a fake double

oh and ivan, its more lik half a rev bak

Well, those names may not work, but suffice it to say, the current names are horrible and need to be changed.

We really need a naming committe here. Can one of the mods please try to get that on the go. Hell, I could draft a plan if you don't want to but we really need to get a team put togeather.

what's tornado anyway??? can someone explain??

I think we should call it

ThumbAround T1-12
ThumbSpin 1.5 T1-12
ThumbSpin 1.5 T1-12 > Pass Reverse 12-T1

If there can be an IndexAround 12-23, then there should be a ThumbAround T1-12. ThumbIndexAround isn't a good name because the pen never goes around the index finger. IndexThumbAround would start in 12 and go around the index and thumb and make 1 rotation.

Hmm. This seems to be the biggest naming issue in the world of pen spinning, and has been going on for so long. Can someone please sort it out? A mod?

i think it doesn't matter. there is more than one way to do fake double. you can either twist your hand for the second half (bak rev), or you can do a pass-like thing without twisting your hand. anyways, i remember zombo saying that fake quadruple can be putting a string on the end of the pen and make the pen go in circles four times. i'm assuming the same for fake double.

alright...if ANYONE can watch sunrise's video over tornado, watch it and pause it really fast. it only goes ONCE around the thumb AND index at the SAME TIME

i don't know if i'm the only one who sees this but seriously...it's not that hard to comprehend

fake double = TA > rev pass t1-12 > rev pass 12-t1
ext TA = TA > rev pass t1-12
tornado = TA t1

that's exactly what my video displays and exactly how the tricks are supposed to be named

end of discussion

i 2nd that, almost every trick can have several names, but pro's over the years have designated names to these tricks so lets leave them at what they are.


BTW lunasol sig > my sig = owning each other....

not end of discussion. Those are horrible names that don't imply their breakdowns.

No, sunrise's tornado does 2 rotations.

Ext TA = ThumbAround in which you keep your index curled until the pen is on top of it. then straighten it so it ends in 12. 1.5 rotations.
Fake Double = Ext TA --> Pass Reverse 12-T1. 2 rotations.
Tornado = ThumbAround --> BackAround Reverse. 2 rotations?

The way I've learned it.

alright how about this. since there are probably no mods going to help us in this topic, we can't settle this by ourselves, and the trick "tornado" isn't even in our trick book, drop the name and go on with our lives instead of arguing like 6 year old siblings.

I think the most important thing we gain from this is the fact that we really need a naming committee.

And I think it is important to discuss these things. If we didn't, we'd still have people calling thumbaround things like thumbspin, forward, single, normal... That's kind of the situation we have here.

exception of "tornado" isn't in our trick book...

and i agree that we do need a naming committee

We do still have people saying Thumbspin instead of Thumbaround. :lol:

i am so freaken confused now

the only thing that makes sense to me is te ay donk3y and luansol puts it

sorry eiriror i dont get your way

and levi, its one rotation, it just looks alot liek two.

no, it is definitely two rotations.

ok where are the extra totations coming from then? theres nothign else to go around

unless there is a thumbpsin before the transfer to the index there is only 1 rotation possible