what's backaround kam's style ? ( sorry for my english i'm french ^^ )


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Kam does it the same way that David Weis does it.
Kam's Backaround

Kam's style? Where was it mentioned?
David Weis invented backaround.
The korean did backaround in a different way which wasn't really accepted by english community at the early stage since it seems more like a "bad backaround". It then became Korean's style of doing backaround.

What the diff between neo-bak and backaround? and what is middlearound and ringaround (i think it's the name)...Is a middlearound start 23.. then do backaround and comes back to 23...? So this should be middlearound 23-23 ,so middlearound isnt neo-bak 23-23 ??? im so confused :SORRY:

Ther is a difference between your ring finger and your middle finger. And middle aroeund is WAAAAY different than back around. middle around is like an index around ( you know the spining around your index finger). Backaround spins on the knuckle of you index finger and ends up 12 ( and starts 12 not 23) middle around is just like index around just starts 23 and ends 23 =]

A lot of the time when i do backarounds i manage to catch it with 12 instead of t1... is this concidered a backaround 12 or something or is it different?

its a neobak

If it goes around the Index finger, than yes, it is a Backaround.

well...in kam's video on pentrix, he catches it in the writing position...i don't know

http://www.pentrix.com/videos/video.php?v=backaround.swf

i'm guessing that's how you're supposed to catch it

If the pen goes around like a backaround but then ends up in 12 it's probably a neobak, but maybe you can provide a vid incase what you're doing isn't what I'm thinking. Do you mean once it leaves T1 goes around to T1 again but then goes past it and to 12, or do you mean that once it goes around it just ends up in 12 and never touches T1 again, sorry if that's a bit confusing.

Neobaks do not go around the Index finger and they spin 1.5 rotations, with .5 on top of the Index and Middle fingers.

A Backaround that it caught in 12 does not spin 1.5 rotations or travel on top of the hand, so I cannot see how it is a Neobak. :huh:

Basically what i mean is i start by doing the same motion as a backaround.. spins on my knuckle but instead of going directly into that writing position it continues and lands between 12... here ill get a video real quick

Putfile

The phone was ringing during this just to warn you heh.. and the quality is pretty crappy

From your guys' descriptions i think it's a neoback

That is a Neobak 12, since it does not go around the Index and spins 1.5 rotations.

hey!! im having a hard tyme on back around ...con some1 help!!! :D
everytyme i try to flip it ...it always hit my middle finger :(

my pen .....open 2 suggetions :lol:

@yessir: Practice, a lot. Try pointing your index up and bending your middle down a bit. Also if you use a longer object it will spin slower giving you more time to ract.


I have had a few questions about backarounds for a while now. This seems like a good time to ask them.

A. What do you call a backaround starting with 23 rather than 12 and still landing in T1?

B. Is a neobak any trick which starts with the same motion as a backaround then rotates on the back of the hand and is caught in a position other than T1. Like can you have a NeoBak 23-12?

C. People here are saying that a neobak has 1.5 and .5 rotations. What is the 1.5? When I toss the pen onto the back of my hand it is only a .5 spin and then I spin the other .5 on the back of my knuckles and catch. Is that a different trick?

D. Finally what is a korean backaround? I can't seem to find a video or a good explanation anywhere.

A. backaround 23-T1

B. a neobak is only allowed to be caught either in the same spot, or below the fingers of its origin. neobak 23-12 is not allowed. only 12-23, 23-34, etc.

C. there is an additional 0.5 rotations due to the hand-movement of the neobak. therefore, 1.5 rotations.

D. a korean bak is a backaround done above the base slot between the fingers, usually done around the second phalanx of the finger.

"Neobak 23-12" is a Backaround 1.5 23-12.

I ve gotten my shadows and sonic 1.5s pretty consistent but im really confused about neobacks compared to backarounds and reverse sonic 1.5s and all that stuff. I hope this post isnt too long.

Could someone verify if i have all these next tricks/names correct (im not including any inverse tricks)?

Shadows (i can already do these)

-spin 1.5 rotations (.5 for the half charge, .5 on top of the hand, .5 for the catch)
-spins CCW on top of fingers palm down
-use a finger push
-shadow stills are caught in the same position (i.e. 12-12)
-shadows only travel down the hand (i.e 12-23)

Shadow Stills can go from:
12-12
23-23
34-34
t1-t1? (not sure about this one)

Shadows can go from:
t1-12? (not sure about this one)
t1-23? (not sure about this one)
t1-34? (not sure about this one)
12-23
12-34
23-34

Sonic 1.5s
-spin 1.5 rotations (.5 for the half charge, .5 on top of the hand, .5 for the catch)
-spins CCW on top of fingers palm down
-use a finger push
-only travel up the hand

Sonic 1.5s can go from:
34-23, 34-12, 34-t1, 23-12, 23-t1, 12-t1

Backarounds, Neobacks (here is where im not sure)
-spin CW
-backarounds spin 1 rotation
-neobacks spin 1.5 rotations
-no finger push in either, wrist motion used
-these can go from any of the positisons listed above under sonic 1.5, or shadows

Reverse Shadows, Reverse sonic 1.5

-reverse shadows and reverse sonic 1.5s use a finger push
-spin CW
-can go in any position listed above
-reverse shadows travel up the hand
-reverse sonic 1.5s travel down the hand

My Questions (theres some things im not sure about too earlier in the post)
-What is a neobak fall?
-What is a neobak rise?
-Is a shadow fall: shadow 12-23, shadow 23-34?
-What other neobak/backaround/shadow/sonic 1.5/rev sonic 1.5 falls/rises are there?
-Is a backaround 1.5 the same as a neobak (i think starting and ending positions might have something to do with these)?
-Can backarounds and neobacks go up or down the hand?

Thats all i can think of so far. I know i probably have more questions, but knowing alll this stuff would probably answer them.

i think i get it but one more questions (hopefully its not too much work to answer):

What are all the possible spots backarounds can start and end in (in a list like i listed it for shadows in my first post)?

I dont get how a background could end anywhere other than t1. well kams one goes 23-12 but you said it wasnt really a complete spin.

you CAN do bakaround and cathc it at 12 23 or 34. bakaround is like a shadow reverse but shadow reverse goes up the hand. when u launch a bakaround . you catch it in diffrent spots by making it land on top of ur hands and letting it drop into the slots of your finger. look into battle zone and go to advance tack on game. lots of ppl do baks other then t1 catch.

also dont you watch lots of penspinning vids? koreans are all about neobak fall and bakaround. you should have seen it in any of there vids < sorry if your new pen spinner.

turtle spin has neo bak vids and explanations. to lazy to link link yourself

ya i get that, but a backaround does 1 rotation and a neobak does 1.5. so how do you catch a backaround in between 12, 23, or 34 with out it doing that .5 rotation for the catch that is seen in neobaks and backarounds.

i get this, but backarounds only have 1 rotation.


On turtlespin, they show all the neobaks spin 1.5 times by letting it swing .5 rotatiosn for the catch. To catch a backaround in between 12, 23, or 34 do you just not let it swing through for the catch, so it does only 1 rotation?

If those above two sentences are right i was making this way to complicated. What is a shadow that only does 1 rotation, by not letting it swing through. A reverse backaround?

i dont get what your saying but i think ur saying how do u catch neo bak with the .5 catch rotation.

the .5 rotation is when u reposition ur hands to launch another trick. i guess if you dont want the .5 rotation do something like a wiper. same with shadow.

rev bak is like index around. but hold it in a bak position. but the motion is same as an ia

Here is what i was trying to ask. I filmed a video:

Putfile


The first clip simulates the trick with out the .5 rotation catch and the 2nd clip has the .5 rotation catch.

that is correct. though when u do neobak the pen doesnt "swing" through your fingers, the repositioning is wat makes it .5 rotation.

hehehe i thought you were going to do the trick ^^

The first trick is an incomplete Neobak. That's what you would do before doing say... a scissor spin or a baktap.
The second trick is a Neobak 12.

Neither trick is a Backaround, because the pen did not go around anything.

- Neobak from PenSpin Palace
- Neobak from KiT-CaT PenSpinning

An incomplete Shadow.

When I do backaround it spins but then moves down my hand to 34 then back to t1. How can I get it to not do that?

that sounds very odd, but try tilting your hand more to the fingers you want to catch it in.

Sounds like it might be a COP problem to me. Make sure that when you release the pen onto the back of your hand that the COP is on top of your index knuckle. It may also have something to do with when and how you are tilting your hand. Watch the pentrix video in slow motion;

http://www.pentrix.com/videos/video.php?v=backaround.swf

is a middle back a backaround 23-23? does any one have a video of a backaround (not a neobak) landing somewhere not in t1?

any got a tutorial?

I don't know if there's a well-known tutorial.

but if you search upsb v2, everytime someone asks, this, there's always plenty of explanation that follows.

SubParSpinner's video tutorial (Putfile). He says that it's a Korean Bak, but it's not. It's the Weissian Bak. :)

BTW, there is also plenty of talk about Backarounds all over the forums, have a look through the "Advanced Tricks" section to find other threads.

I learned from the video on pentrix.

http://www.pentrix.com/videos/video.php?v=backaround.swf

There's an article on psconclave

I don't really understand how to spin it by turning ur wrists...

You flick your hand leftward but do it so the pen kinda hits between 12. Once you get good you can do it simply by tilting your wrist. If you want you can cheat a little by holding the pen with the tips of 12 and flicking it back.

I was wondering if there are any other starting positions for the weis backaround, the way i learned, ( http://www.psconclave.com/wiki/Backaround_Normal ), doesnt feel like its too good for combos. Any suggestions? :spin:

Backaround is one of the most linkable tricks in PS.

Check out some of weis's vids.

cool, cool. I didnt kno he had his own site =P. thanks for the tip, i was sort of over=exagerating the positioning.