Can anyone give me some tips on how to do a reverse thumbaround, like where should the COP be? When I do it, the pen spins on top of my thumb, not around it.

I have some diff with Ta rev too... But not for the push... :huh:
I have problems with the catch .. I catch it with all my four finger.. (not thumb)
:blink:

Maybe the way I place my palm...?
Or maybe the way I push it ..? (hope not) lol

Well, ty!

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Anyways, for the first poster, the COP should be resting near the base knuckle of your thumb. When you are getting ready for the push of the pen, your index finger (finger 1) will be on the COP. However, it doesn't HAVE to be dead on. You can afford to be off by a little bit and the move will still work.

As for the catch, there are two ways to do it. The first one is the way I learned from Kaisen (my idol lol). Here is a link (gasp) Right here

He moved his thumb away from the hand so that the pen can complete it's rotation and come back to the same starting position. The hard part is moving the thumb, but if you watch the video enough, you will see exactly what I mean.

The other way to do the catch is the pre-requisite for TA Harmonic. All you have to do is just keep your thumb still, and catch only with your middle finger (finger 2). This may take some practice but if you've gotten the first way of catching down, then this shouldn't be too much of a hassle to learn.

Keep up the practicing! ^_^

i learned it by doing the TA then...tapping the pen lightly with my index finger, pushing it...it's like a TA harmonic i found that easier

you hafta use ur nail and kinda push it over...its also good to use the momentum of a TA first then go into the reverse

I am having trouble catching and I cant find any help that works so far...

Help?

Can you describe your problem a bit more, where do you catch it if you catch it...

Thanx ivan but I think I got it I have a 60% catch rate. Just need to practice more.

Thank the gods I found this topic. Though, I read through the posts and replies, and nothing has applied to my problem yet.

Heres the lowdown. I've been spinning for fun for almost two months now, and the tricks that take me some time learning I just don't practice, so here I am stuck in a rut. Practicing my Shadow Stills and still I can't do this trick, my bane, the Reverse TA. Now that you know where I'm at, heres my problem.

-I'm starting from the catch of a TA, but I need to move my index up the pen a little to better push the pen back around the other way (much like continuous index arounds, if that gives a better description).
But where it starts to go wrong is when I push. Unlike the guiding motion of my middle finger when doing a TA, my index doesn't know where to go, and I don't know where to make it go. Should I be pushing it almost in a downward motion?
Also,
-When the other side of the pen comes around, to pass the top of my index, my index gets in the way.

If anyone could help me, I'd really appreciate it.

Ill try to explain to the best of my abilities. When i do my reverse TAs I use my thumb as a marker for the tip of my index to go. I don't learn tricks by finger motion, I learn by the motion of the pen. I curve my index like a hook with the tip on the COP. I push as if I was closing my hand into a fist, except with my index finger only. I stop when my index hits my thumb. It sets me up for a TA Harmonic. Hope this helps!

and the cop should be under the index

u should catch in reg ta position. but if u want a fast ta harmonic u should ta reverse and catch with only 1 middle finger. it actually isnt a catch u tap it back with ur middle finger and reverse again.

i folowed all the advice on the topic but wen i spin my pen it sorta jumps and does a spin thing than lands on my thumb and spins off :SORRY: oh yeah and how do u get avatars and a picture into ur signature

maybe ur thumb is too low or ur index is too low and for the avatar thing u can find pics and edit them with photoshop good practice for inserts i think and for sigs there is an IMG at the top of ur talking boxy thingy that's how u put pics in

try learning TA harmonic. That'll help you learn where to start the pen and will also let you get a feel for what it should feel like.

Yeah well the RTA (Reverse Thumbaround) is part of the TAH ( Thumbaround Harmonic) so that is kind of like jumping into the deep end of a pool when you don't know how to swim.

yes that is true. how do u learn ta harmonic (ta normal > ta reverse) when u dont know ta reverse?? its like doing algebra when u dont know how to multiply..

For some people, TA helps the execution of TA rev more easily, rather than starting from TA rev straight.

yeah, thats what helped me learn TA rev

I am also trying to learn the reverse TA and I have problems.

When I hit the pen with my index finger the pen just stays there or falls off...it doesn't rotate. Sometimes the pen hits my knuckle on my thumb near the back of my hand (like the knuckle that connects the thumb to my hand). It might just be I am scared or something and move my thumb as I notice that happens quite a lot. Anyways, still practicing as practice makes perfect :).

You're not pushing hard enough if it's not rotating. Keep pushing it and don't be afraid of the pen falling. It's not like it's going to explode. :lol: With each time you push it, examine how the pen travels and see how you can adjust it so that the pen ends up where you want it.

Keep it up!

Maybe you can hep by moving your thumb a little to make it completly turn ....

that is actually true because when u do a regular ta and when you catch it, your already in ta reverse position. that is why the ta harmonic is possible.

i had trouble with the push. the bend in the index didnt seem strong enough. but if you move your thumb agisnt the momentum, it generates extra spin.

question: ..on rev thumbspin ...do we put da index fing on da cop??

On Thumbaround Reverse, that is where I push from.

Just do a Tumbaround normal. If you do it properly you should be in position for a TA reverse. I usually put my index finger a little to the left of the COP but as I push the finger slides past the COP so I suppose the average force would be at the COP?

I only recently learned the reverse so.. i might not be good enough to give advice.. but.. lol here is sum if you wanna listen.. i think the hardest thing about the reverse is to get your thumb up so you can acctually catch it... i find it easier if you sorta move your hand towards your self to catch the pen right after it leaves your fingers and is about half way.. its kinda cheating but i find it really helpful when i was learning it not too long ago.. lol Good luck:)

you catch it in reg ta pos or if you want fast ta harmonic you tap it back with your middle finger for the ta

I managed to get the pen to spin on the reverse TA but the pen goes down my hand (towards my finger 4 - pinky). Anyway I can catch it using my thumb or smoetihng?

Thanks

Moving your thumb slightly to the right durring the spin might help it spin farther. The catch is the hardest part of the reverse TA so basically just practice. Another thing you could try is changing the angle of your hand.

I am having a relaly hard time catching it. I catch ti sometimes, but other times it just goes off my palm or other times I catch it with 3 and 4. instead of 1 and 2.

take and elastic band, and wrap 34 to your hand (they should be curved)

even if you try to catch it there you wont be able to ;)

I am trying to do this trick, and i can do it (not consistly though) but it feels VERY akward and uncomfortable, especially the index finger.
i cant move the index finger on a circular motion like i do with the middle finger for the ta.
am i doing something wrong?

i would also like to say i can do tricks that are considered harder (i think) like shadow and sonic 1.5 but the fingers just feel wrong with this one

Trying doing TA rev in TA harmonic. It's help u with TA rev a lot.

Here's a quick TA Reverse tutorial I emailed someone before. Pay particular attention to the Index finger position section and how that finger should move. Hope it helps.

- Holding the pen:
Assuming you have a pen similar in length to the MX, you should be holding the pen 1/2 way between the COP and the tip. You'll just be using your Thumb and Middle finger. The tip of the Thumb should be above and pressing down on the pen which is sitting on the side of the Middle finger, the upper third portion.
- Index finger position
The Index finger should be curled back, with the tip of the finger positioned on or just before the COP. It might take some time to be able to pull the finger back that far.
- The push
During the push, the Index finger should curl even more, aim the tip towards the base knuckle. This should start moving the pen back around the Thumb.

The important thing is that the COP needs to be far enough back so that the pens own weight can pull it around the Thumb. If the COP is too close to the Thumb in the beginning, the pen will have a hard time rotating around. If the COP is too far, the pen will fall off behind the Thumb.

Keep your hand close to your body that way if it falls it lands on you and just keep practicing

Yes this seems to be a very important point, especially if you pratice in school o.O, or if you practice in front of the PC, I dropped my pen under the PC table and I cracked the table while pulling my head up after getting it :banghead:

Bad experience... Duct tape's holding on atm :eek:

The push is sort of a scratch. just a tidbit of advice from me.

Ok well I've been pen spinning for about a month or so, and I've learned most of the fundamentals except for the TA rev. I've looked at all the other posts and such but when I spin the pen to go around my thumb, the pen get caught between my tumb and my pointer. It might be how i'm holding the pen, but i'm not sure on it.