I was doing TA Harmonic but I cant seem to do it continuously without having to adjust it again, can anyone help me out? Thanks alot!

honestly it just comes with practice. lik i didnt realize that i could do it continuously until trying after using it a bunch in combos. jus try to hit it b4 it makes its complete around so that its smooth.

Ok Thank you Fallen Seraph.

Well, TA Harmonic is kind of a hard thing to learn. It took me about 2 months to get it consistently right and a little bit longer to perfect it.

Here are some tips. When doing the TA Rev, you will want to get into the habit of keeping your index finger bent and ready for action. Same for the middle finger. At first, your hand may tilt from side to side, adjusting for the tilt in axis, but that's perfectly fine. I would spend hours doing this trick until my hand adjusted itself accordingly. So, all I can say for now (unfortunately) is to continue practicing. There's no real magic shortcut here, other than to observe how your hand is moving, and observe how the pen is travelling and making necessary adjustments as you see fit.

Good luck!

okay lets use my cam alittle more =)
http://media.putfile.com/ta-harm
yea im not very good at it. eso could prolly give u a smoother and faster one. but yea make sure u keep the index and middle in ready position, lik slightly under the thumb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOwlGROG9WA

nuff said

there is a secret ;)

well depends whrere your problem is

my problem was vetting the rev TA to normal ta pos.

if this is your problem too, then keep your middelfinger and the left of your thumb at all times, right next to it, and the pen will fall right into the flehsy part of it, making you ready for a push back

Alright I kind of get the hang of it, though I do drop it sometimes.

I don't want to sound like a noob asking this, but are there certain TA reverse techniques that work better for doing TA harmonic.

I'm convinced that I didn't learn a "good" technique for doing TA reverse. Right now I kind of cross my index over my thumb.

I've been practicing TA harmonic for a while and I'm not sure whether I just haven't practiced enough or if my technique is holding me back.

over ur thumb? mine goes under...
rev TA is essentailly a rev halftap, that u let drop around ur thumb.

Can you link TA reverse to TA really easily, but not the other way round?

I think everyone gets that. You just need practice. It's hard because you have to change the direction the pen spinning.

The reason I think this might be holding me back is that, with my bad technique, I have to straighten my middle finger out to do the reverse TA, which makes it hard to get back in time.

I'm probably going to have to relearn TA reverse the right way <_<

How exactly do you do TA rev?

I hold the pen between the 1st phalanxes of t and 1 with my fingers more or less parallel to each other. Then I bring back my index finger over my thumb and cross the index over the thumb.

While pulling your middle finger back at the same time? That's how I do mine, and i find harm TA fine. Just practice.

You do your TAs really weird. Your middle finger plays no role in a TA reverse and should not move. I place the tip of my index on the side of the COp and place the tip of my thumb over the pen about 1.5-2cm down from the COp. I push by bending my index back along side my thumb.

I'll take a pic when I get home.

i think i do it like rippdrive here is a vid
TA rev

I really need a webcam... and a printer. It's hard to take pictures with a right handed camera with your left hand.

Starting position


Push with direction of force indicated.


First part of the catch, after the 'around' part. My index actually dose curl back that much.


Second step of the catch, from here you would push back with the middle finger by pulling it back on the left side of the thumb.

Thank you for your help. I think I finally have the new technique down. I was doing it pretty wrong. And TA Harmonic is actually a pretty easy trick.

Harder to do continuously and fast, though.

OK, here's my problem - my friend taught me how to do TA (yes im a newb at this) and I was trying to learn how to get TA reverse. So far I can only manage to do TA-->TA reverse-->then mess up miserably and drop the pen. I've been attempting to do TA harmonic (I think that's the name) for the past 2 weeks and I can only manage it once. i really want to be able to do it continuoiusly, but since summer school is out, my friend can't help. I just need someone to either show me a video :lol: or explain it to me (preferance = video, but I'm willing to accept any and all help).

The TA Harmonic takes a lot of practice. But make sure that after you do the rev ta, that the COP is on the left side of your thumb, otherwise it's not possible to do a ta. In other words, try and make the end of your rev ta be in the same position as the beggining of the regular ta.

practise doing ta rev-->ta norm. then practise ta norm --> ta rev. make sure you can do it smooothly, then try to link both up. it will be much smoother.

wow! thx! it's kinda like...im...flikin some1 off right? (sry about that...it's the only way i can explain it...)

lol...basically don't do a full catch and keep your fingers in the same spot.

Does the trick need timing? For me i think so.....because i'm not using a modded pen and i can only do it for a few times before i start to push the pen at the wrong timing, causing it not to make a complete TA rev and it hits the ground.

"Does the trick need timing?"

The COMBO does need timing, along with consistent pushed for the Normal and Reverse TAs. You ned to be able to consistently push the pen with the same strength and direction to more easily accomplish this combo for longer periods of time. The more you do the combo, the easier it will be to continually do both tricks.

Oh i'm sorry....let me rephrase my sentence...does the TA harmonic combo need timing? btw thx sketching for the answer^^

Yep. If you do the push too late after the rev ta, you might miss it. Practicing would just get you use to it. Practicing is a universal answer to alot of tricks. o_o

Okay, so you can already do the TA -> TA Reverse. That's great, you're halfway there!

You know how when you begin your TA Reverse, you didn't start by actually "holding" it between all three fingers - you pushed it with 1 (and it was just lying next to 2).

In the same vein, for TA Reverse -> TA you don't catch it before the TA. As it comes round, you should be able to push it back with 2 in the same way you did before with 1. Does that make sense?

Once you have TA Reverse -> TA down, you can combine that with what you alreay know and achieve the perfect TA Harmonic! (Takes a long time to get it going for any length of time though...)

I am not surprised. To do a TA-TA reverse requires a lot of practice. However, you may want to try reverse TA first then follow up with a TA. this combination is much easier and requires less practice than the earlier. after you get the hang of it, then try TA-TA reverse.

I just have problems doing a Reverse TA -> Ta normal . TA-> Rev Ta is pretty easy for me, the other way around i think im not catching it right, thats all i can say without my webcam

It seems like when i do a regular TA my index doesnt stay curved. http://media.putfile.com/TA-rev-position

watching that, you see how the end of the pen goes between the index and middle? mine goes in front of both and its at a regular ta position @.@

im feeling nice right now so i'll help you out(i ll edit with a vid)

when i do my harmonics

especially the rev ta to ta one

i move the middle along with the ring fingers, that way the ring finger doesnt block the pen

vid in a moment

seven mb rapidshare

i ll hit u up wit a youtube too cuz im so nice -)

Shouldn't this be stickied/pinned?

Since this is the Fundamentals Forum, I only stickied the Fundamentals Compilation Threads for the actual fundamentals, not combos based off of them. Since there are not a lot of threads here anymore (:banana:), it doesn't seem neccessary to pin everything.

There was enough threads on this combo to compile the needed info, but I don't think that it needs to be pinned right now.

haha thanks :D but i figured out the problem. When i learned the Rev TA i learned to move my thumb like reflexivly to the right to make the pen go in a complete circle, now i have to like DE-LEARN it...and keep my thumb still. thanks though :D

even now i cant do that. . .
if i do a reverse ta, it ll go from T1-T23, i cant make it go a full circle without moving it so that might not be the problem. . .

I am not sure what is wrong as by right the pen should go from the tip to the end repeatedly. Maybe you should check the way you do it and your positioning.

http://media.putfile.com/ta-harm-indexonly2

maybe im just different, but how i learned TA harm (by myself) was to use ONLY the index finger for both ta and ta rev. After reading the thread, i kinda got the hang of using my middle finger for the TA push, but still like it my way. Does anyone else do it like this?

edit:broken link - fixed

Doing it the index way is just a minor variation, quite a few people do it.

you have slight breaks.
work on it.
it is pretty good though.
:thumb: