um i have a simple question waht is the difference between a backaround and a Korean backaround ?!?? <_<

A weissan backaround (the regular one) is more graceful and the korean backaround is faster and more of a fingerless index around. That's my oppinion but here's a vid comparing the two kinds. I can't find the vid that has both of them in it at the time because UPSB won't let me log in for some reason. Also a weissan backaround is more sideways and a korean backaround is more vertical.

hmm ... here are the difference ( i think )

Weissan backaround : the pen goes behind your index finger and on the index knuckle

Korean : the pen goes around your finger , like an uncomplete indexáround reverse .

here. I've made a vid

the first one is weissan and the sec one korean ( i think ) :P


http://rapidshare.de/files/11824997/W_Back_K_Back.wmv.html

I'd say Koreans aim for a lot of speed so when they do baks it's more harder to control it the David Weiss way, hence they do a back around that doesn't go at the knuckle.

anyone have a tip on how to do the korean back...cuz it always seems to sort of hook on my middle finger when i try :angry:

well the way i do it is i start a regular backaround but when its about to go between fingers 12 i just put them together and quickly bend the front park of my middle finger down and it goes around :)

lol i hoep this helps

I use to hold the pen so that the cop is outside the hand for korean ba.

I made a video for you.
Take care of the different starting positions.

grz
Robert

thats the only difference?
i have always done korean baks then even when doing rev shadows and stuff....
the normal backaround i use for doing backaround > fl rev ta sometimes

isnt it the difference?

normal ba: pen rotats at the bottom of indexfinger
korean ba: pen rotats at top/middle of indexfinger

Korean BA is done with the pen at the tip of you fingers, more about speed than form


weissan [normal] has a more distinct spin and is done at the base of where your index and middle fingers meet.

What mentioned above. In addition, korean bak does not focus much on tilts of hand. They are normally executed by jerking and not tilting.

David Weis* :)

wait so the korean BA is an index around? is it is how do ppl get it to get to 23 for Neobak fall?

no. korean bak is a variation of fingerless indexaround reverse.

for the neobak fall, a neobak 12-12 is done, but instead of catching it exactly at 12, you catch it at a sort of triangle position with the middle finger on top and the ring and index fingers supporting at the other sides. from there, you do another neobak (23-23).

how do you do korean backaround. if you know any videos post them.

the motion and w/e is same as weissan bak just spins closer to the fingers liek reverse indexaround/indexaround and all wrist motion

fingerless reverse indexaruond instead of back near the knuckles like weissan

69 of them to look at.

k heres the vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5ciK-VeLWc

1st one is a Weissan, second one is a korean

Here's a vid showing them. Thanks to FireFaith for making it along time ago.

http://www.zippyvideos.com/4901659385537816/w_back_k_back/

The first is a weissan and the second is a korean one.

When does a Weissan backaround become a Korean backaround? I've seen videos of them both, but I've never seen a solid definition of the Weissan vs the Korean backaround.

And don't reply with "0n3 is more liek reverse index 'round lolz kthxbai", how about a more concrete definition then that?

Also: For your backaround, do you keep your index finger upward a bit or is your hand completely flat?

Korean Bak spins like an indexaround and more near the fingertips and 1st phalanx of your fingers.

Weissan spins near the ends of your fingers and you can probably feel it more on your knuckles.

krn bak is cool it spin liek rev indx round lawl and weis is like all back there n stuff and its like whoaaaaaaaa doin crazxy stuff, i tink if u want a faster bak u use korean one, weiss seem slower cause its all bak there and slow lolllerskates kthx

First phalanx as in... the top phalanx or the bottom one?

Weissian spins at the base, Korean spins at the tip.

The Korean BackAround is actually a Fingerless IndexAround Reverse. Nothing else. There's no reason why it is confused with the Weissian BackAround.

The Weissian BackAround is the original. The pen is supposed to spin around the back of the hand. And that is a little difficult, so people also tend to accept the pen spinning around the proximal phalanx (the inner most one) as the Weissian BackAround.

from what i get from it, the korean bak is like a index/middle/ring/pinky around at a 45 degree angle....sorta like a underflip is a 45 degree angle 360...in extreme sports terms

My Index finger stays pointing away at an angle from the Middle finger (picture the blades of a pair of scissors cutting) throughout the entire trick. It may be completly brought back towards the Middle finger, depending on what trick follows the Backaround.

Hopefully, that is able to clear things up. As can be seen, the path of the pen in the Korean BackAround is almost fully covered by that of the Fingerless IndexAround Reverse. In fact, the path of the pen in the Fingerless IndexAround Reverse is supposed to cover the whole index finger, I just didn't want to go through all the trouble.

so are korean and weissian considered completely different tricks? because i'm kinda in between

Yes.
As pointed out by tohlz, they are executed differently and look quite different.
The two really only have the simularity that they both travel around a finger.

As pointed out by yxTay, a Koean Bak is much more like (if not the same as) a Fingerless Indexaround Reverse rather than the actual Backaround.

Well, if you just learn both, it will solve your problem.

how do you keep your middle finger out of the way? i dont know if this is supposed to be under the tutorial section or what but i cant really get it, it gets stuck on my middle finger