there is a fundamental tricks section and an advanced tricks section. howd u know wich tricks are which? a chart or list or something would be helpful =)

Fundamentals = Fingerpass, Sonic, Charge, Thumbaround

This forum is for help or aid in learning the fundamentals, and/or their reverses, and variations.

The advanced tricks is for more advanced tricks like shadow, and other tricks which are not directly interlinked with these four fundamentals.

Basically, anything that has its name containing fingerpass, thumbaround, charge, sonic belongs to this forum... am i right? I'm not sure but this is how i define the terms :lol:

EDIT: i think minicombos are included in advanced tricks section...

Fundamentals are supposed to be the basic tricks, and easy tricks.

That was pure bullshit though, the easy part.

I learnt many advanced tricks faster than the fundamentals, and I still can't do the Charge :banghead:
Or a smooth Fingerpass :angryfire:

But I'm unique :vhappy:

It is very hard for me to describe to you. Basically, it is just about feeling. Eg. certain tricks like TA are obviously too easy to be advance. I think generally if the trick is very similar to the fundementals and only changes a bit eg. TA reverse, it should be a fundemental.

Chart

all variations of the fundamentals go under the "fundamental" section as well. ex:thumbaround reverse, sonic reverse, charge 13.

jeez its not how easy it is
the fundamentals are the basic building blocks of PS

of course if you know the fundamental, the advance tricks are gonna be easier

like shadow, if u know charge, shadow will be easier, if you dont it wont be easier

oh you're unique in many ways.

I second what flashy said. Fundamentals are the things that will help you a lot for learning further tricks. Example, for learning twisted sonic, u can learn it directly or you can first learn charge , so it gets a lot easier.

some of u guys are saying its whichever one is easier and some say its whatever is a building block...

what IM asking is which spacific tricks...

Fundamentals:

- Charge

- Fingerpass

- Sonic

-Thumbaround

That's it. Just 4. Only 4. No more. Very simple.

Any other tricks included in this section are simple variations, such as: the reverses.

look at the very FIRST reply. . .

Fundamental tricks are the basics that help you develop other tricks.

You don't necessarily have to learn them but it is very good to. For example nobody really does a clean, smooth fingerpass.

Speak for yourself, crazymonkeyz. :)

Fingerpass has historically been called a fundamental, but it isn't a very good classification as fingerpass doesn't lead to anything. If anything, the fundamental would be pass. Infinity is more deserving of the fundamental label than fingerpass is.

The current description of the Fundamentals forum is:
"Only discussion relevant to fundamental tricks and their variations will be allowed here."

But, it's more like:
"Only discussion relevant to fundamental tricks and their BASIC variations will be allowed here."

If you want a specific list, then consider the fundamentals, their reverses, their inverses (if applicable), and starting/ending position variants (if applicable) as a rough guide. The more complicated variants of fundamentals (e.g. double TA, devil's sonic, etc.) still belong in the Advanced Tricks forum, in my opinion, as do any other non-fundamental tricks.

I guess fingerpass is related to sonic, charge and thumbaround only for the fact that students do those tricks in classes without even knowing about serious pen spinning.

theyre TA fingerpass charge and sonic

and they're called the fundamentals because they lead to other tricks like u can learn twisted sonic easier if you have a smooth pass and charge. You just skip them if you want but I think it's helpful to learn them before trying harder tricks.

I disagree with this statement. I think it is impossible to learn many higher level tricks without knowing the fundamentals under them.

Let me give you shadow as an example. First you need to know how to get the motion (a derivative of charge) which moves over your fingers like a cone (sonic) until it lands in your next fingers (a sonic catch). Try teaching someone to do shadow without sonic... and i'll give you a cracker. But learn sonic on the other hand, and just spin it an extra .5 time to get shadow.

Fundamentals are what they are: serving as, or being an essential part of, a foundation or basis; basic; underlying

yea theoretically you're right.

unfortunately, you were dead wrong when you said impossible. many people learn higher level tricks before the fundamentals.

chyeah fundamentals arent really fundamentals...i havent learned a fingerpass all the way till just a week ago and charge was learned after about 3 months of spinning....

i say the backaround or around should be a fundamental

so like: sonic, pass, TA, Bak or something i dunno :P

But what is your reason?

I have to disagree man. BA is just too advance for some one starting out, its not a fundamental trick to me since it doesnt help you with any thing. So not fundamental.

Sure you can learn the more advanced tricks without fundamentals, but they wont be as smooth of done with as much confidence as some one with prior knowledge of the fundamentals. Hell I remember my sonics before I learned charge, GAWD were they bad!

ugh

IMO

fundamentals are ta charge and sonic

they all have their variatons.

then there are utility tricks (tricks you can do without learning)

and those are pass and wiper

put them together, you get infity.

so in reality, the building blocks of ps are TA, Sonic, charge, wiper, and pass.

(spin tricks...i would consider a sonic, but no one listens to me :()

hahahaha smitty you crack me up.... btw did you look up the definition of fundamentals??