I just can't do this,is there a special technique or something?

weis way is easier.
do a bak, and then push ur thumb right next to ur index.
jus practice it a bunch with a long pen

I <3 this combo and yeah like king said you pretty much do a bakaround then put ur index and thumb together and it should continue around it.

I reccomend doing your backaround really slowly just so you can get the feel for it and once you are used to get up your speed

I learned it with a longer pen (bictory extended)
I highly reccomend them with grips for learning new tricks

when i invented this combo, I never thought of it as an FL TA rev. Basically, I realized it was FL TA rev when I had to name it.

So instead of thinking its two parts, think of it as the extension of the backaround. Try to think how would the pen naturally go around the thumb after the bak. Don't think that it's a FL TA rev that you have to do.

Hope it helps.

When i do it, the fl ta rev bit only makes .5 rotations around the thumb and it looks different to zombo's one on the upsb+pds collab.

I made this video 4 months ago.

It is not really a fl. ta rev. when i do it.


http://www.zippyvideos.com/2593515945550156/film_0005/

Yes it is.

I used to do this trick accidentaly while practising normal Bak :/ Can't remember now how I did it though...

Hey, i to have a problem with this combo... I'm practicing with a metallic comssa (that's all i know).......

and the pen always hit my thumbnail when i do the bak.... am i too early in shifting my hand or am i tooo slow? i did the combo a few times, that was luck...... but i still can't do it well...... the pen keeps hitting my thumbnail.......

i think you should train to make a backaround korean style.. but starting as a neoback 12-12. then, when the pen will almost finish the first spin, just fold all your fingers, and put the thumb up the pen to spin around it

sry for my ba english

i'm not very sure, but i only learnt the weissan method...... will find and learn the korean style asap thx... anymore help is appreciated thx peoples.

Threads merged, making multiple threads at the same time won't help with anything.

sorry.... do pardon me...>.<...... anymore advice?

hmm I never learned the weissan way, so I can do it perfectly with a korean bak.

i do it on the weis way, and i learned it like this:
when you do a normal bak, your index finger keeps pointing up so you can do the catch. to do the bak to rev you'll have to put your index fingers with the others, so, you wont do a normal bak... after closing the "index gap" you will do a thumbup [like this d(^.^)b] and the momentum of the backaround will make the pen go around your thumb xD
its easier doing it with slow baks and long pens (as mentioned before)
hope i helped

oh... i learnt the weissan way, and im currently progressing quite slowly..... after i learnt the korean way (yesterday) from the PS conclave video...(levi's vid) i can do it quite well now... and i can't find how to link the korean bak to a fl ta rev.

Yea, somehow I don't get it too, I'm still having problems. Seems there isn't "enough pen" to cover the FL Rev TA.

try to wiggle your hand to help the TA motion, and remember to let the backaround spin 1.0, if you try to do with only 0.5 you wot get it

lol i tried with an MX and now i can do it better..... idk why.... LOL....... maybe because it has more momentum than my Comssa.....not sure :unsure:

anyways, hooray i can learn his trick by this week!




this is the longest time ive ever spent on any trick LOL... i bet there are harder ones..... anyways, i'm going to practice until it feels all natural... then i can proceed on to practicing continuous...

Good luck for you then. I can do the bak but it is hard for me to get the pen onto T after doing the bak and when i get it on the T, I have difficulties following with a FL Ta rev.

Actually just do what zombo said..... "how the pen naturally goes around your thumb after the backaround." i did that......

my process in learning are as follows:

Stage 1: Couldn't do Bak properly yet....so... always failed..

Stage 2: got it a few lucky times... but i only caught once every three times i did it luckily.

Stage 3: Keeps hitting thumbnail.

Stage 4: Guessed i was too fast in bringing the thumb up and tried to do everything slowly.

Stage 5: About 20% successes..... Still practicing...

I'm currently at stage 5 now.... maybe you can take something out of my learning process...

The key thing for me when I learnt this combo is learning to aim the backaround so that the pen ends up not in the usual ending position, but parallel to the thumb, so the tip is near the end of your thumb.

Then by pushing the tip of the pen to the right with your thumb, that will initiate the reverse TA.

After a while you'll notice you don't need to do this with pinpoint accuracy, but it certainly helped me learn.

Hope this helps!

hmm i dont know what that is how is it done?

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maybe you should read the entire thread.
sketching

Okay...now i can't get the bak right again >.<...... back to stage one... because when i do the bak it stays on the knuckle and refuses to come down >.<......

Question: is Bak -> FL. Rev. TA also a Rev. Tornado?

Since Tornado is TA -> Rev. Bak...

:shake: Grr.

It's just a combo. Just write it out as a combo!

Why does every single combo have to be a trick...

don't think so, never heard of the tornado defined as having a rev bak in it. Tornado is poor usage and is not recommanded by the NC anyway.

I recently learned this combo and I wanted to share my process of learning with you all.

Before I begin, I just want to say that it's Korean Bak > FL TA Rev I learned. For those of you who want to do it Zombo's way, sorry I can't help.

First you do the Korean Bak. Now, normally, Finger 1 is kept straight while the Thumb is relatively far away from the rest of the fingers, waiting for the catch. Also, the palm is facing down (for me, anyways).
This combo is more of a hybrid so it requires a few changes in hand positioning. I will try and outline them here:

1) When you do the Korean Bak, the pen will do one full revolution. While it is nearing the completion of that first revolution, the palm twists to Palm Side position. BUT THIS TWIST IS VERY SLIGHT. I would say it is a 10 degree twist. Very very slight.

2) As the pen is nearing the first full revolution, the palm has already slightly twisted to the side. Next, you must resist the urge to catch the pen. Instead, the pen will finish the first revolution and continue spinning. There are several things to note here:
-The pen will make about 1.05 revolutions before you take the next action
-The pen is spinning on the first phalanx's SIDE. For that extra 0.05 revolution, it will look like an Index Spin (for those of you unfamiliar with the Index Spin, please disregard this)

3) This has 2 detailed parts that must be done at the same time:

3a) Now that the pen is done with its 1.05 revolutions, the hand will twist even further to the Palm Side position. At the same exact time of the twisting, the Thumb is brought up so that the pen can continue its momentum around the Thumb. The hand is NOT in a Thumbs up position. Rather, the Thumb is pressed against Finger 1's side, like you're pinching something.

3b) As you bring the Thumb up, Finger 1 curls inward.

4) The pen should complete the 2.0 revolutions and your hand will naturally try to catch it. This may look jerky and not so fluid (as do mine) but I think with practice the hand will start to adjust accordingly.



Sorry for such a long post on a rather short combo. I just felt the need to detail the steps on a frame-by-frame basis. I hope this helps!!

NOTE: For those of you not good with math, 1.05 means 1 full revolution PLUS a very, very small fraction of a full revolution. You'll see what I mean when you try it out.