the second thing i have trouble accepting is the "korean bak." the korean bak does not resemble a bak. why call it a korean bak when there's a name for it (fingerless reverse indexaround)? all these ppl boast that they can do bak fall.

so there needs to be one huge correction: ppl THINK they can do korean baks. good job with the fingerless reverse indexaround falls tho.

SORRY FOR BEING OFF TOPIC

have to disagree with you there...

When was the last time there was a video showing something new? like what, a month ago? i dont even remember the last time something new came up.

Whats better? loads of crap videos, or no videos at all?

also

Show me a video of a weissan ringbak. It is physically impossible. However, i would like to agree some peoples bak falls are rediculous. (eg banz looks like hes not even making a effort to get the pen back farther)

also, its not a reverse fingerless indexaround. i can show you a korean bak 1.5, i can show you korean bak to fl rev ta, but theres no such thing as a reverse fingerless indexaround 1.5, and theres no such thing as a fingerless index around to fl rev TA combo.

Backaround is suppose to mean back of the hand. people have begun to treat it as back of the finger. if this problem really makes that much of a difference in the psing world, come up with another name. NOT reverse fingerless indexaround, because it just isnt.

You sure about that? My hand is telling me otherwise.

Korean bak is a FL IA reverse performed at an angle. Big whoop. It's still a FL IA reverse, nothing more.

I apologize for the off-topicness, but I too am having trouble accepting the korean bak.

Not this again.

Kay, example.

My Twisted Sonic Bust looks different from Michael's, because his goes more vertical than mine. Whoopdeedoo, they're both Twisted Sonic Busts. Same with the different BackArounds.

Oh, you're saying I do FingerLess FingerAround 1.5 Fall. Sounds cool.

Well Kam also said in a topic on the UPSB that bust shouldn't resemble indexaround so if you look at it that way twisted sonic bust is nothing, it should actually be called twisted sonic -> fingerless indexaround. Plus according to a way of thinking what we know as reverse twisted sonic bust is actually "mirrored" twisted sonic bust.

Anyways I agree that korean bak is fingerless reverse indexaround but w/e i'll leave it to the naming committee.

Edit: we should get back on topic

Edit2: oh and I think that David Weis would think of backaround fall as Backaround T12-T23 -> Backaround T23-T34 -> Backaround T34-T34

then show me a video...

edit this is so off topic...

also, eriror keep in mind that a bust is still a bust and you otld me once t hat it goes more like a back than a around. twisted sonic>indexaround does not flow smoothly without the angle curve.

Also why cant backaround be called ifingerless indexaround reverse? cuz it goes on the back of the hand? then why can korean backaround go on the back of your finger?

Ok, listen up cause I'm only going to type this once. The whole old vs new school debate could go on endlessly without reaching a conclusion... Until I step in. So-called old schoolers cry out "less crap more goodness." Unfortunately, your definition of what is "crap" is not the Ultimate Truth. Therefore, it is useless to talk about this anymore.

All that other crap can be moved to the NC area.

There should be another topic split here, but I just want to add one thing to the Bak debate.

It's called Korean BackAround for a reason. Look at NeoSonic, it doesn't even resmble sonic in any way, and still it's called NeoSonic. Korean BakAround isn't a BackAround, it's a Korean BackAround.

that has nothing to do with UPSB... I'm sure the Naming Commitee is working on this anyway.

NC section is for articles by NC so I'm moving it here instead.

In the true Weissian BackAround, the pen must go through the T1 slot. In other words, the pen must spin around the index finger. Therefore, there is no Weissian RingBackAround.

David Weis had initially included this restriction (pen must go through T1) in the BackAround. However, over time, this restriction has been ignored and forgotten. As a result, many BackAround-like variations of the FingerAround have been mistakenly named as variations of the BackAround.

The issue regarding the Korean BackAround had been raised in the Naming Committee. During the discussion, 5 out of 8 agreed that the Korean BackAround isn't a variation of the BackAround but a variation of the Fingerless FingerAround Reverse instead.

I hope my reply is able to help resolve this issue.

heres a video that i've had for a while showing a "weissian ringbak" ;)

http://www.psconclave.com/wiki/Image:Ringbak-by_xz64.avi