This is probably going to sound like me being an asshole no matter how I word it so I will just going to get straight to the point. Sorry if I offend anyone but what I'm going to say needs to be said.

The mods here are not doing their jobs. We have rules for a reason but nobody is following them and they don't seem to be getting punished. I think it's great to see new people interested in pen spinning but it really pisses me off when they come to the community and are nothing but an annoyance.

I know I haven't been in the community long but I can honestly say it isn't what it used to be when I joined. I'm getting bored and pissed off with this forum because more than half of the posts are completely devoid of any meaning or quality.

I see the same topic again and again. People aren't reading the stickies or even trying to research on their own. On top of that the quality of replies has gone down hill fast.

I don't intend to name names here but there are a few individuals here who only ever seem to post one word and an emoticon or at the best an "I agree;" and then retype the previous post in their own words. We have more meaningful conversations in the fucking 'most replies' thread on a regular basis.

I'm not saying I have a solution but there is clearly a problem here. Something needs to be done or else I can see myself and probably others just drifting further and further from the community.

use the report button

Zombo, i think he means the problem is in Moderators for not doing anythign and not warning anyone.

Right now it's like this:

What is Admin?:
Admin is people who can change settings and ban, or restrict users

What is Moderators?:
Moderators are just names. They barly do anything to keep the forum clean. THat is why flame and insult can easily take place.


What it should be:

Admin is also responsible for patroling people's post, and can warn people or ban people for doing Flaming, Spamming, Insulting, over use of profanities (Yea well some is okay in Spammer's Bin, but right now, there's too many). Job is technically different from Moderator such as: Putting flood control (yes it's already there), and banning can be done with admin. But the job is basically the same with Moderators.

Moderators are responsible for patroling people's post and warn people for Flaming, Spamming, Insulting, overuse of profanities. They have less power than Administrator, yet the job is basically the same.


I suggest clean up Moderators first, then PM everysing person on this forum and warn them the rules.
And one more thing: Is is fair that someone might just post "Thanx" or "No Problem" or "I agree" and call it a spam? because what if theres nothing else to say? If you want to tell them thank you for doing somehing? what else are we supposed to say?

Oh yea btw, I also told this to Zombo, but that post with "old <_< ", yes it might be a spam but i have taken samething many times on this forum...Why not warn them? :dunno:

And i see too many profanities on "Serious Threads" and less profanities on Spammers Bin (This is exaggeration.)


Also, there are n00bs here who don't know much about pen spinning and don't know how to search it online. We cant just say "STFU this trick is already made long time ago, stop spamming this whole fucking place!!!" Well this is flame. Some people don't know that this trick was already made. It's not like this person have to memorize EVERY SINGLE TRICK existing. We need to calmly tell them that it is not new.
And when people make mistakes, users on this forum just flame them.
The best place on the "serious threads" are the "Pens and Modification". Usually, and somehow, people show off their pens and they get "nice try though" or something like that. :lol: So why cant we do that on other threads?

Too much flame, and Moderator (most, not all) are doing no shit to get this place better.

My suggestion. :lol:

okay, i'm drunk, but i try to make sense.

Zombo is running this board on his own. Nigel left, Turb is rarely around, credit to Sketching for an awesome job, but he's not admin (i think he should be made so).

Some of the new people to the board don't know what to do for whatever reason, I seem to remember a similar situation on UPSB V2. I try and help out by getting them to ask me for help rather than start threads and such, but I'm afraid there are too many peple for this to be a viable option.

I say, if there is a way to make stickies stick out more (excuse pun if there is one), do it.

If you can recruit a mod or two, do it!

and lest us wait for USPB V3!

God love you all!

Sketching definatly should be the admin.

Don't recruit unless ur completly SURE about this moderator thing.
And drop people who arn't doing anything out of moderator

We have 2 mods, earlier in the year I planned on recruiting new mods but since kam got back, I'll just wait for UPSB3. And people should help as much as they can by reporting bad post.

i was suppoes to not post for awhile for like the post count thing (zombo you know what im talking about) but whatever. I want to say something.

Dont say anything if what your going to say is less than 5 words.

If you do just have to say something that is under 5 words, explain the statement.

eg.

Wow awesome video!

....not good

Wow awesome video! I especially liked it because toast was in it! He did an awesome combo. The tornado>rev bak was awesome!

Alot better.

And to the "oldies" dont yell at the beginnners if they do something wrong. We didnt used to be this mean. Why should we be mean to the new ones? because we have put up to this bullshit for so long? Maybe from our point of view, but from a newbies, they post a bad topic, and immidiaty gets pulverised, as if he has done this more than once.

And instead, if we told them what they SHOULD have done, we would have less of a problem. So it isnt all up to the mods, we can all do a little bit. Eg. posting links to appropriate thread, etc.

Let me just clarify what I am saying here. I am in no way badmouthing the admins/mods. They are trying but the fact remains that the work isn't getting done. The reason for this is the posters. They should police themselves.
Every time before I hit that 'add reply' button I think to myself "Self, will this post really further the conversation or help anyone?" If my answer is no I just don't post. You have no idea how many posts I haven't posted in the past because of this.

Admitted, if UPSB3 comes out a lot is going to change but that isn't a reason why people can't learn good habits now. This board isn't all about you, it's a community and your job is to help others so that maybe when you need some help someone will return the favor.

One last thing, I don't give two shits what happens in the spammers bin. I am in no way bitching about that. It's the spammers bin so people can do whatever they want in there. If I feel like just joking around or talking about non-ps shit I will go there. If I want to see quality posts on the topic of pen spinning I will stay out of the spammers bin.
Personally I like the spammers bin from time to time but the rest of the forum has to be more civil if anyone is going to gain anything from it.

Rippdrive, exactly what i wanted to say. Even though, Zombo works hard to settle things, he said:

That is what he is doing wrong. we have to change it now, or same thing later.

Yes i know what Zombo is trying to say, I'm lazy too, and it's hard being a Admin and Moderators. Even if we get to UPSBv3 and make a rule, people on here would think it's same rule as here.
We need to enforce the rule harder. Especially for people who have been on other forums, they gonna think it's the same rule here, increasing the people who would do total bullshits.

Even if we DO follow all the rules here, and follow same rules on UPSBv3, more and more people join, and they gonna do all the bullshits, creating same forum like this.


RULE ENFORCEMENT. that's the key.

We have Admin, Moderators. We should also have Rule enforcement. (Law enforcement AR-15 lol...Yea i got some accurate shot with that gun) We must and definatly MUST note everyone the rules. Since Admin and Moderators are busy patroling this forum, and deciding what would be good for this forum, we need extra group of people who can note everyone the rules so that people wont post shit on this board.

So I think this is what Rule Enforcements should do:
-Patrol the place, and notify admins and mods bad posts. (since normal members just are too lazy notifying admins and Mods)
-Should notify the rule to the person if that person SLIGHTLY breaks it. Should have no power to give warnings.
-They should not have power to lock or delete posts.

Moderators:
-They should have no power to lock threads
-They could delete posts or modify posts
-Leave the rule telling to Rule Enforcements (PM them) And if they break the rule and offend others, tell them to Admin
-Give warnings but tell Admin First and get permission

Admin:
-Work on how to keep this board clean.
-Work on the forum settings.
-Have power to get rid of powers of Rule Enforcements and Moderators.
-Admin doesn't have to tell members RULES, leave that to Rule Enforcement (So that Admin doesn't have to waste time explaning) Admin can just give warnings and why.



What we should do now:
Make a forum section ONLY for Admin and Moderators (if rule enforcement is made, then them too.) - Other members would be restricted (use passwords or stuff like that)



Hope this helps

ok u dont really understand the purpose of this board. when it was meant to be a temporary replacement for UPSB. the rules were very relaxed because UPSB was too strict and also it got its off-topic section removed. After a while, UPSB never came so it was time for UCPSB to get more serious, that when I added a bunch of features and changed the name and stuff. Afterwards kam came back so there was more hope for UPSB v3 once more. I don't see this board lasting more than 6 months maybe, so really any additional work futile.

If UPSBv3 never came I would have added more moderators whose only job is to read every post and warn everybody but it's not needed anymore.

Also there is a moderator lounge.

Dark-Angel if you want to set an example then you should stop spamming yourself.

I'm giving suggestion.

And BTW, When telling stuff, be nice, cuz I feel like You hate mostly everyone on this board. No Offense, really, but You do sometime help people on things, but you barly helped me ever since i came to this board...that's kinda sad.


EDIT: I also think the problem is this whole board and the admins and moderators. no offense, but You said UPSB was too strict. now UCPSB is too loose. That's problem in rule making which is what Admin do. I hope you can make better rules in UPSBv3.
Don't get offended Zombo, i'm just telling suggestions

ahahah what? I hate everybody??? :blaugh: :blaugh: :blaugh: :blaugh:
that's surely why I stay here and keep this board alive :dunno:

When UCPSB first started I wasn't even a moderator ok, but for some reason I was given admin powers. At some point I had to fill in because almost all the staff (which I am not part of) were gone/inactive. Even as of today, I am not part of the staff, ok, I have absolutely no responsability associated to this board, it is only because I've done so much work that I ended up recognized as the admin of the forum.

So your ignorance is clearly showing.

UCPSB was always meant to be a user-driven board with little intervention from moderators. If you are looking for serious PS discussion here you will be disappointed.

Be grateful this "free" (in sense of freedom) board even exists. When you're going to get your ass banned on UPSB3 for spamming, you can come back here to bitch about the other board, just like you did with JEB.

This issue had been raised a while ago.
http://z15.invisionfree.com/UCPSB/index.php?showtopic=3470

There should be a way to delete your own topics and posts...

and you shouldn't be thinking "oh, another newb with a comssa question" then type SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM this is answered ________

rather "look its sum1 i can help so ima post something helpful"

that explains it. :dunno:

Then why is this a PS forum?

Actually, Now i find JEB better. Much cleaner, and manners are kept VERY well. And i actually found out that i have freedom there as well which i find it better than here.

Zombo, I can help you translate JEB rules for you. :thumb:
That might fix most of the problems. and solve further problems in future (UPSBv3)

JEB is great. I was acting like shit before, now i fixed it and got along with the others.
Better spinners too (I suck tho)



So to summerize why JEB is so good, here's what:
-Rules are set very well from the start of the board which keeps users not violate them.
-JEB doesn't nessacery (dont mind about spelling) have a STRICT rule. That keeps users confortable
-If someone doesn't keep manners, EVERYONE and i'm saying this EVERYONE will warn you, even over PM.
-There more than 8 moderators on the board out of 2045 (and increasing) users registered.

Well DarkAngel-REX why don't you leave UCPSB if JEB is so much better ?

I think this is a User Problem, when UCPSB started rules were loose. Some asshole user came and took their chance to spam and post shit. Other users noticed it and started doing it too. The situation ran outta control. I'm not saying the admins / mods did a shitty job because they didn't but the users did a shitty job, the users are the main part of a community and the users made the board this way so dont complain about the admins and mods. What should they do ? Ban all spamming members ? Then this board would be so small ...

Just use the report feature OK? I implemented it so it's easier for mods to check bad posts.

easy solution, ripp. for stupid ppl, just flame the living hell outta them. but lately, i might be getting a little desensitized to whats going on around in forum.

pentrixter: maybe not such a good idea...

Flame ok, if its someone we have seen for awhile.

But to flame a 1 post noob? dontcha feel bad? He doesnt know anything. At least give him 1 or 2 stupid posts, and tell him where he went wrong, so he would LEARN and not make the mistake again.

However if we tell him waht he should have done, and he continues to do it.....

*Coughs* yeah...

Flaming isn't really my style. And even if I did enjoy that kind of shit it's against the rules and just as annoying and non-productive as spam or the other shit that bugs me. I make it my policy on the internet to not piss of people who aren't asking for it.

yea but dumbasses like "LOL TEEHEE, WHATS A THUMBAROUND? IM A NOOB. DONT FLAME!!!1111" are just asking for it in my dictionary.

not like i enjoy it, just cant stand dumbasses. just cant.

Cuz I like the Country USA.
And I dont know most of the tricks in Japanese.

ok.. maybe whenever a new user register, get them to read a topic like.

where to find tricks.

rules.

how to use the board efficently.

how to search.

maybe include a button called the delete newb post.. like those how to charge or whatever..maybe after you guys tell that newbie on how to, moderators can delete the post (if you ever wanted it to be clean) after sending a pm to the newbie.

eh for some reasons. some post, even thou they are been posted already, it maybe required to make a new one. possible reasons are.
1.post gone off topic.
2.linking it to the old one will make the topic even longer.. maybe some people are lazy to read, and never make it to the "actual" topic.

example. a post like "my combo". some people after reading posted their own combo, or started asking like, "so whats cockscrew? the one in the combo" then it starts to get offtopic.. making a new topic is required as replying inside will not make much sense. unless there will be a method to classify the post as old topic or new topic in that topic. something like colours should do the trick.

well thats all i think.

uhhh.... yea we have it. they're called stickies and mods. we just have to make those 32 point font cuz noobs like to ignore those.

Do you ever read through the whole user agreement thing every time you register for something online (forum membership, etc.)? If you don't, do you think this will work? Basically, people don't really bother.

So bottom line is enforcing the rules a bit stricter.

UCPSB functions as an informal interim community, not a serious PS board. In the thread yxtay linked to, it was decided that the rules should be considered as "highly suggested guidelines" rather than mandatory rules because the majority of the board are young teens who face plenty of discipline in real life and don't need to experience the same thing online. The assumption was that this majority would eventually mature and learn how to make informative posts as directed by their own consciences.

It's catering to most of the members. I don't exactly agree with this philosophy, seeing as it's proven to be overly optimistic. Spam is frustrating in any situation. It was dangerous to run things this way when it seemed that UCPSB would supplant UPSB3, but now the situation isn't as urgent. If this board implodes now, at least the PS community doesn't collapse with it as long as UPSB3 exists.

One of the greatest features of this board is the Block Member function that works beautifully to remove spam from sight. Since the spam is mostly localized around certain members, you simply filter the members out and you're left with relevant material. Of course, glossing over the problem doesn't resolve it, but if the moderators are adamant in their current moderating stance, then this is the next best alternative.

i agree. i look to UCPSB not as a strick database or anything, but like a place to interact, and joke around and have fun.

why is everyoen so mad at noobs? they just dont know forum etiqitte yet. god knows i dont know how to spell ettiquette >_>

oh really... you want to be asked whats a thumbaround ONE MILLION FUCKING TIMES?

this kind of things never happen anymore, the fundamentals section is almost always empty

Zombos right...


Although i disagree that we should say search it by ur self cuz some people are n00b here, and doesn't even know what fingerpass is...I came here as a n00b...i had trouble searching. that's the reason i came here.

ah yes that's one more reason why this board is pretty bad for serious PS info: search is disabled and I can't do anything about it :(

yes i've realized. but that sorta gives kavondak an idea of what spam is like upsb style if he hasn't experienced it already.

It really is "a growing problem". People don't want to grow up.

well i mean, i know what spam is, but

i think thats kinda what makes this a community? because thats why people come here, to interact and ASK questions. not to just read information. you could go to the conclave for that. i think that even i spam and stuff sometimes. when i stop to think about what to say, i have no idea what im saying is gonna be accepted and replied to, or gonna be flamed.

i just kinda try to fit in and be with the community. im sure noone here spams on purpose, but...maybe just somehow make it more clear what this forums etiquette is like.

FINALLY ZOMBO QUOTED IT

fucking bastards....

THE SEARCH IS DOWN HWO THE HELL ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO USE IT

"omg search for it before u post"

"it doesnt work"

"what? someone lock this thread"

"wait"

"LOCKED BY SKETCHING - my avatar is me shaving"

I BROUGHT THIS TOPIC UP MONTHS AGO AND NO ONE LISTENTED TO ME

god that's gay....

hi

anyway.... once upsb ppl will stop

cause they'll be banned. lolz (therefore they wont be able to spam? get it? UNCE?)

JEB JEB JEB!

I agree but to counter that point I think that new members should look through old posts and learn about things before asking (sorry but) stupid questions and spamming.