eh i played pen spinning for awhile and thought of this new style play. calling it deception, actually i want to call it faked but cant. there is fake reverse. cant call it unreal as mats demand a change. .
well, basically it is to attempt to do a trick but does another trick instead.

for example. i do 1/8 of a backaround then switched to doing sonic instead. the 1/8 part of backaround will make me look like i'm about to do a backaround.

ok heres some sample combo.
you cant call the deception thingy a trick because you cannot do them individually. it is simply a style.

like zombo said, it is like a counter trick with less limitation.

deception reverse thumbaround

deception backaround. possibly my favourite.. you will see that i'm going to do a backaround fall.. but i didnt. it is ok if you dont get it.
after doing the 1st backaround, the next one looks as if i'm going to do a second backaround, instead i moved to sonic.

deception backaround and reverse backaround. a trick mats suggested. kina funny looking. it is also a little jerky.

You can't use Unreal style for the name damnit!

In other news, some good stuffs I've seen from you. Like a mix of hybrid and counter trick style combos.

I don't relaly understand what you're doing because unreal reverse TA means you're not doing rev TA, but what are you doing instead? you must specify

I think it's a general extension of the concept of counters. In counters, you try to do one trick, and end up doing the reverse to return. In this case, you do one trick, but end up a specified another trick in return. So it's less limited than the counter concept I think.

ok.. sry for not been specified enough.
well you cant call it a counter trick as after the 1/8 move you can do other kind of tricks. need not be reverse.

ok it is just doing small moves to make it look like i'm about to do a trick. but not doing it.

for the reverse thumbaround. if you see the video, i pressed the pen. when i pressed it, people will think that it is a reverse thumb around, instead, it is a tap and i passed it to my index to do a reverse backaround. in this case it is not a counter trick because i can do a sonic instead of a reverse backaround.

for that reason, you cant call it a trick, because it is not a trick. maybe you can call it tap reverse 0 t1-12 (since there is no spin) the movement is so small to be called a trick.

for the backaround, i made a move like 5 degrees and changed the movement to do a sonic instead. somehow like counter but not.

like what mats said, it is like a mix of hybrid and counter trick style combos.

and ya.. itz like counter but with less restriction. so cant call it deception pen spinning?
changed to deception pen spinning rather than unreal because someone asked me to.

i wouldn't call it anything cuz its too complex just write

1/8 back -> sonic

bleh... ya i think we should call it 1/8 backaround or those nameable stuff. but this can be a new style or new form of spinning. if not, ok i m newb.

preety cool, make a tutorial! :angry:

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Sorry, but i dont get this at all.

It just seems like a combo to me.

And i dont get the naming. like, your deception backaround. You just did a backaround...then did a sonic.

You gave it a funky name doesnt mean its a new style... :teach:

No, actually he didn't. He just wants to make you think he's going to do a backaround, but in the end, he does a Sonic if I understood it,

But in the end, the combo is just bak > sonic.

yes but the way you do it should matter, is it not? Can you say that notes on a sheet of paper is music? No it is not, it is only a partial representation of what the song is. Do not be fooled by the breakdown. You know very well that two persons can execute the same combo on paper and come up with different flair to their video.

Nice, it's cool to see penspinning progress throughout time into cooler and more complex things.

ok i dont want to start a whole new thread for this, but i have a new idea for combos. I do a combo where every trick has a reasonibly easy reverse. Then at the combo, you do the whole thing backwards. Thats my new thing for the week :)

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The "deception" backaround video. can you film another one or explain it mroe carefully? the video is too low quality.

As for the "deception" rev TA, it is simply a reposition into a sisscor spin. It is a REPOSITION.

The videos are too low quality for me to understand this. All of this seems like repositioning after a trick.

Hmmm I won't exactly call it a style of spinning to be honest. A style of spinning is something which stands out from the rest of the spinners and something which different people have.

Right now what I can see is creativity. You need to do it in such a way that it becomes a style that is yours. When you first brought up the trick I also thought it was more of a partial counter variation. It may be called a Hybrid, I'm not too sure as I'm not in the naming commitee... maybe someone can clarify this.

Anyway, its a good idea to get a good webcam for videos if your really into pen spinning. It saves alot of time and effort in having to refilm because of low quality problems.

P.S why did'nt you brought this up during the gathering? It would have made things easier as we could see it first hand.

it is only thought to be serious for me after the gathering.. well,

to answer Spider-Man :banana: 's question, eh after a backaround, i did a 1/8 backaround thingy to make it look like i going to do a backaround, instead a sonic is done.. yeah is somehow like a counter.

eh i didnt do a backaround, if you see the video description, you see this,

ta-rev ta-backaround " deception backaround" -sonic-shadow.

finally
i currently have no access to a webcam, so this is kina a good quality enough, eh will try to get another angle soon to show you guys.