Title: HMS
Description: just another High Momentum Spinstick
LegendOfFireHands - December 28, 2006 06:41 AM (GMT)
edit: small changes have already been made, below.
Hey campers,
Well, I hinted at this a while ago, and I've been working hard on it over the last few days to try and perfect it. The inspiration for the pen is the fact that I love heavy pens. I think they're smoother, and with strong fingers, they can be just as fast. However, virtually all of the pens with high momentum are long pens. I have a habit of hitting my thumb with long pens, and messing up my tricks. Therefore, I set about making this. I hope that you all enjoy it.
There is only one major problem that I could not seem to get around. That is, the construction of this pen is very hard. It's idiosyncratic (trust me, I've made several prototypes), and the modifier needs to understand that every single one of these that is made is going to need thought put into it as they progress. If along the way, you feel that something is missing, too lose, or too tight, just try to accomidate. That said, I'm writing this as more of a rough recipe for it. I'll try to include as many details as possible, but be wary that you will need to add your own touches.
Alright, on to the pen. This is the HMS, the High Momentum Spinstick. It's made of all American pens, and many of them. It can take as many as 7 pens to make this baby. You'll need the following parts:

If you don't want to waste the time/money on profile grips, cuts of the g2 grips can replace them. I personally prefer the profile grips, however.
Alright.
Step 1. Clean the g2 back pieces of everything save the barrel itself. Then cut them 3.8 cm from the back. File the cuts so that they are perfectly flat. They're eventually going to end up flush against the rsvp barrel much like an MMX, so it needs to be good. It may be advantagous to file the outside of the cut as well. That way, the place where the g2s and rsvp join will not feel as rough. Here's a picture of the cut:

Step 2. Cut the tip off of the rsvp. The resulting barrel should be 10.8 cm. Make sure that ink can still fit through the hole, and that it isn't clogged with plastic afterwards. File the ridges, including the tiny ridge just before the barrel flatens out, off of the back (where the back cap was screwed on). These need to be smooth, but be very careful here. You want one of the g2 pieces from step 1 to be able to fit tightly onto this bit. The tighter the better, so don't go overboard with the filing, and check the fitting every now and then. Again, here's a picture (pre-filing):

Step 3. If you're going to place an insert into the pen, now's the time to do it. The size is the same as for any rsvp barrel insert (the same as an rsvp mx insert). Now, here's where it gets very hairy. you're going to have to place an insert over an rsvp ink tube. It's going to simultaneously make the mod look prettier, and hold the ink tube in place during spinning. The insert can make one wrap around the tube, and therefore must be 1cm wide. I used two inserts, one at the back, and one at the front, so as to avoid having to keep both oriented correctly at the same time. If the insert does not produce enoug resistance to keep the ink tube from sliding, consider wrapping some tape around the tip, or trying to slip some bits of the tape into the barrel on top of the insert. Here is a picture of me trying to do that very thing:

The white piece of paper is an example of the white insert (1cm wide) that I wrapped around the ink tube. The example is a little shorter than the one that I actually used, because the inserts can fit underneath the rsvp barrel's insert.
Step 4. Now let's work on the g2 barrels and tips. Clean out one of the g2 ink tubes, removing the tip and the back piece. Now, place the g2 barrel pieces onto the two ends of the rsvp barrel, fitting them snuggly. Place the now clean g2 ink tube into one of the ends, and mark it 4mm above where it sticks out from the back of the g2 barrel. (A picture of me in the process of measuring:)

Cut the piece there, and get a second cut for the other side. On both of these piece, wrap some tape (I used double sided scotch tape) to build up the thickness until the signo tips fit over them tightly enough that they won't come flying off, and are thus well attached to the g2 ink pieces. Remove all excess tape. Here's another picture (before I removed the excess tape):

Wrap the g2 ink tube bits with some extra double sided scotch tape, and insert them into the g2 barrel pieces. Like so:

They should be tight enough and have enough friction to prevent them from flying out. If they don't, add more tape. Don't worry too much about how this part looks, as it'll be covered with the grips later.
Here's a full body picture of what you should have:

Last step: Place your grips onto the g2 barrel pieces so that they will cover that small lowered region. 7 sections (including the large one) should just about cover it completely, and leave you with a perfectly smooth pen, with no unnecessary bumps or ridges.
Next, clean the writing off of the rsvp barrel.
Then, check to make sure that nothing is loose. If it is, take the pieces apart and thicken whatever you need to thicken to keep it in place. This is the part that will make or break the durability of your pen. It's very easy to have some piece loose in all of this, so check thoroughly.
Lastly, double check the "cap", or the g2 piece that covers the rsvp ink tip, if it readily slides off while you are spinning, then you're going to need to thicken it somehow. I used double-sided tape because I do not expect to have to remove the cap too often. However, this may result in "sticky" marks on the barrel, and some other method may be used to prevent this.
If you did everything right, you should have a very sturdy pen that looks something like this:

So... pen facts.
The weight is heavier than a comssa with hgg tips (I don't have a way to measure this precisely).
The length is 19cm.
One of the g2 tips functions as a cap, and can be removed to write with the rsvp ink.
The COG is very close to the COP, though not directly centered on it. (Here's a balance picture:
link)
Lastly, here's the insert that I used, though it's fairly simple. This is for the rsvp body, since the other two inserts were plain white pieces of computer paper.

:spin:
RippDrive - December 28, 2006 07:06 AM (GMT)
I'm thinking it might be a little weak where the G2 barrel goes over the threaded part of the RSVP. Post a follow up after you have used the pen for a while.
Other than that one point it looks like a good pen. Heavy but without being excessively long. Personally I would put more grip over the signo tip but whatever. I'm also sure there is a way to adjust the COP to be dead center but I will figure that out when/if I make this.
Sathon - December 28, 2006 07:06 AM (GMT)
Kinda HGG Comssa cool. But with G2 nice idea.
But when I see "HMS"............ His Majesty Stick?
LegendOfFireHands - December 28, 2006 07:14 AM (GMT)
If that's what you think, Sathon. I don't really care what people call it, personally. So the name is pretty much just my spinstick.
And RippDrive, you'd think that part was weak, but if you make it fit snug enough, it's actually really strong. I was spinning prototypes for about three days, and dropping them on concrete at a rate of about once every minute or so. It held up very well. The only one that every broke broke when I had it in my pocket and stabbed myself with it trying to sit down. Obviously, the grip is up to the creator. And lastly, I probably could have tried harder to make the COG at the COP, but I have always felt that I charge better with it very very close, but not on, the COP. Of course, that's me.
cadayday - December 28, 2006 07:51 AM (GMT)
oooooo it dose look like a HGG Comssa. nice mod but i think RippDrive is right it might seem to be a lil weak where the G2 barrel goes over the threaded part of the RSVP. but other than that I WANT TO MAKE ONE lol
spin~TAP - December 28, 2006 04:36 PM (GMT)
Very cool dude, but it doesnt write. You said the COB was very close or whatever. Maybe you could find a way to conveniently remove one end and be able to write.
An RSVP inktube may balance out the pen.
strat1227 - December 28, 2006 04:38 PM (GMT)
i havent made it, but he said very clearly that it DOES write.... could someone clarify please because if it does write i think im gonna make it....
LegendOfFireHands - December 28, 2006 04:59 PM (GMT)
It writes. One end is designed as a cap, and you should be able to remove it.
It's the hardest aspect of the pen to get right, in my opinion, but it works.
edit: I should mention, though, that it is NOT designed for people who push hard while writing. I took a lot of drawing classes, and I don't put alot of pressure on my pens while I write... I'll look in to making it a bit sturdier.
another edit: Ok, quick solution. During step 4, put a toothpick into the back of the rsvp. Cut it to length, and build up the end with tape. That will put the pressure of your writing against the signo tip. Double check to make sure everything there is as strong as possible. This doesn't solve the problem completely... but it helps a lot.
links:
picture 1picture 2picture 3picture 4picture 5My handwriting
azwe - December 28, 2006 05:09 PM (GMT)
Hmmm, could be another addition to the pen mods we have here.
spin~TAP - December 28, 2006 06:47 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (strat1227 @ Dec 28 2006, 04:38 PM) |
| i havent made it, but he said very clearly that it DOES write.... could someone clarify please because if it does write i think im gonna make it.... |
Oh, snap, it does write. My bad.
Just for that mess up I'll make the pen. :thumb:
strat1227 - December 28, 2006 07:28 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE |
| File the ridges, including the tiny ridge just before the barrel flatens out, off of the back (where the back cap was screwed on). These need to be smooth, but be very careful here. You want one of the g2 pieces from step 1 to be able to fit tightly onto this bit. |
Im very confused about this part..... what ridges is it referring to? am i supposed to file the ENTIRE part where the back cap is screwed on?
if anyone can help, please do....
RandomNewb - December 28, 2006 07:36 PM (GMT)
dude this is a very good pen
i ahve been looking for a way to use signo tips balance other than bictory and use it with g2 and rsvp mod
it si very good!
but... i am concern, it takes a long time and many pens?
but i think it is good anyway! good job! one day when i have more money i will make this pen again! thank you! :D
LegendOfFireHands - December 28, 2006 07:57 PM (GMT)
strat1227, look at the third picture from the top and notice the "ridges" on the left side of the pen. All of those need to be filed flat, so that the g2 barrel can slide down over them.
strat1227 - December 28, 2006 09:38 PM (GMT)
DAMN YOU LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!! i spent like 5 bucks and worked for half an hour on this pen cuz it looked so cool and sounded like it would work really well.... it ended up being shit becuase of my lack of modding skills... my own fault really but now im really disappointed....
LegendOfFireHands - December 28, 2006 09:53 PM (GMT)
:dunno: Sorry. I did say that it was very hard.
If you want, I can make one for you.
strat1227 - December 28, 2006 09:56 PM (GMT)
dude that would be really sweet.... i could send you the money and you could send me the pen..... i would love you forever LOL...... but i really like heavy short pens and this seemed perfect and it just didnt work for me :(
CPC - December 28, 2006 10:02 PM (GMT)
Very nice idea. It looks good.
I'll be making one of these when I get home.
LegendOfFireHands - December 28, 2006 10:21 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (strat1227 @ Dec 28 2006, 04:56 PM) |
| dude that would be really sweet.... i could send you the money and you could send me the pen..... i would love you forever LOL...... but i really like heavy short pens and this seemed perfect and it just didnt work for me :( |
Sure. I'll head out and get the extra pens that I need tonight.
Send me a pm with your mailing address.
LegendOfFireHands - December 30, 2006 04:12 AM (GMT)
So, if anyone has managed to actually make this pen, please tell me what you think of it. Criticism is welcome.
And if you've tried and failed to make it, please tell me that as well. If the pen is too complex for the general public, it's not much use to anyone, is it?
Otherwise, I've already noticed a few problems that hadn't come up in my original testing, so I'm already hard at fixing them. I'll edit the tutorial when I've got everything that has been found fixed.
Toast - December 30, 2006 05:24 AM (GMT)
Try not to double post. there is an edit button on the top of any posts you have made that you can use to add on.
On topic...
very good mod, because you rarely see a double (cap? lol) mod that is transparent for inserts. Too bad i cannot cut...
EDIT- rofl i didnt notice it was a bump.
MY BAD :D
firepong - January 13, 2007 09:01 PM (GMT)
For the tips, are there any pens in the US that has those same type?
LegendOfFireHands - January 13, 2007 10:47 PM (GMT)
All of these pens are US bought. So yes. You should be able to find Signo tips somewhere.
Also, I've almost fixed everything with this mod. I had to lose the insert to a large degree, unfortunately, and the only reason I haven't released a better version of this is because I'm trying to figure out how to get it back.
firepong - January 13, 2007 10:55 PM (GMT)
Ok on the tips...Think I found 2 of t5he right size...
And as for the ink, how d you get the G2 ink to fit in? Or is it the regular ink that came with the RSVP?
And if it is the RSVP ink that is used, and you dont like using it, you can get some Sanford Gel Impact ink refills and use them on it. Found that out after I was looking for some pens around the house with those kinda tips...Found 2 of them in my gmas pen collection. Sorry to say to myself, both of them were out of ink... :angry:
EDIT* Also, how do you get the whole part of the clip off of the pen...I dont want to break the barrol getting it off...
LegendOfFireHands - January 13, 2007 11:42 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (firepong @ Jan 13 2007, 05:55 PM) |
| Also, how do you get the whole part of the clip off of the pen...I dont want to break the barrol getting it off... |
The ink is the rsvp ink, which I like fine anyway. As I said, though, a few things have been changed already. And I would redo the tutorial, except that I'm not perfectly happy with the look of the pen. I'm still working on it though.
As for the g2 back piece, it's a very difficult think to do. I've once had to cut through the piece with a saw when I couldn't get it to come off nicely. First, break off the clip. That should leave a little parabola shaped hole in the remaining piece (sorry, I don't have a picture). By doing that, it seems to make the remaining piece fit a bit less snuggly, and you should be able to just pull it off. If it doesn't want to come free, I'm afraid you just have to muscle it or tear through it.
Another option is to just break the clip and fit the grips over the remaining piece. I thought that it looked better this way, but it shouldn't really change anything to leave them.
firepong - January 14, 2007 02:19 AM (GMT)
Taking the clip off of the pen worked...I guess the part that really holds it on is the top of the peice. And when the clip is broken off, it removes the slack from it... I would have never noticed it if you didnt mentiopn it, Thanks.
EDIT* When you said you have almost fixed everything, does that mean that you fixed the brittleness of the end peice? If so, what did you do to fix it? I was wanting to know just in case before I started on that part of the pen.
firepong - January 14, 2007 04:57 AM (GMT)
Well, I finished the mod...But I changed it around alittle bit. Here are some pics of it. If someone wants to know how I did it, post and ill make a tut of it...Most of it goes along with this one though, so there isnt much that needs to be changed.



EDIT* About the grips, I havent figured out how to get them off of the G2 yet. If someone could help me on that also, I will be most gracious.
NOTE* The click part on the end, it doesnt click. Its just used to center the pen...Whish didnt help much because of the ink...
LegendOfFireHands - January 14, 2007 05:03 AM (GMT)
Is that just the g2 ink and the front piece of the g2?
and I did fix the brittleness of the back piece. I plugged it with a longer piece of the g2 ink tube, the same one that you stick the signo tips onto. I just made it long enough that it goes deep enough into the rsvp barrel that it makes it solid.
Of course, that's why I can't also have an insert. At least not one larger than what I can wrap around the rsvp ink itself.
edit: here's a picture of what it looks like right now. It differes from the original post in three ways. The toothpick that I already mentioned in a post above. I wrapped some tape around the rsvp ink tube so that it wouldn't move around inside the barrel no matter how hard I spun/pushed while writing (Second picture). And the longer ink tube that I used (mentioned above). You should be able to see it in the first picture.
I'm willing to call this finished if people don't think it looks horrible.

firepong - January 14, 2007 05:11 AM (GMT)
Ye, thats what it is...The cool thing about it is that I can use one of my old RSVP caps to cap off the pen whin im done with it... B)
And as for the brittleness, it isnt really that brittle on my pen either, since its the whole ink part of the pen...But the sad part of it is that its in there so tight, that the ink wont come out anymore, not even the cap part...
And also, for both ends, it only took the bottom part of the G2 to make bothe ends of the pen.
Also, do you know how to get the grips off of the G2? I wanted to add a little more wieght to it and balance it out, as I dont have any profile grips (what pens do they come off of?)
LegendOfFireHands - January 14, 2007 05:22 AM (GMT)
just incase someone missed it, I edited the my last post.
and as for the grips. I've never found an easy way to do it... you can boil it so that it'll expand. or give yourself a hernia trying to pull it off...
The only easy way that I've found, if you're ok with trashing the front piece of plastic, it to just lean into the edge of a desk so that it bends in the middle of the grip. Then just move it back and forth until the plastic is ready to snap. Then it comes off easy :lol:
firepong - January 14, 2007 05:28 AM (GMT)
LOL...That last part was hilarious...But if there isnt any pen mods out that use the top part, I might just take a pair of pliers to the center and break it...
So, the main question is, is there any mod that uses the top part of the G2?
LegendOfFireHands - January 14, 2007 05:32 AM (GMT)
repeg does.
other than that, not sure.
firepong - January 14, 2007 05:33 AM (GMT)
Wel, ive never heard of it, so im just going to destroy the tip and get the grip off...As easy as that.
And about the tutorial, thankz, gave me a good pen to use, just modified a little by me...
Trogz - January 15, 2007 12:50 AM (GMT)