I just looked through all 18 pages of advanced trick page topics and I found a couple threads on rev baks but nothing of use.

How do you do rev baks after twisted sonic bust> rev bak or tornado > rev bak. Pretty much every korean is doing it and I've been trying but not getting anywhere. How do you reposition it and what is the motion to make it go around again?

Firstly, please stop using the term tornado, the NC has deemed it as foreign and not understood here...

second a rev bak is kinda like an FL IA (actually that would be a Korean Rev Bak, for wessian you have to do it down by the knuckle of course.) Basically I believe its done with the same motion for a double IA...

fitzgerald!!!

I've been trying to learn this myself, and I came up with a few things, even though I haven't mastered it.

Twisted Sonic Bust 23-12 > Bak Rev 12-12

For this, right after doing the Tw Sonic Bust, when the pen starts to enter right between fingers 1 and 2, you motion your hand back, then up, then over. This whole hand motion is to make the Bak Rev fingerless. Pretend that the pen is like a devil stick and you are trying to continue its motion. While doing the hand motion, keep your fingers still; finger 1 will be extended while the rest are curled in.
For the catch, I can't help you much there because I haven't gotten that down yet.



Ext TA > Bak Rev 12-12

I speculate that this uses a very similar hand motion as the above mentioned combo. It's just that it might require a more horizontal movement due to the nature of Ext TA. I haven't practiced this much at all.



Good luck learning this! No one's really told me how to do this either so these are just my observations from videos.

eerie de ja vu ..... i JUST finished reading this same exact conversation on EuraPen .... wierd...

So what should it be called?

its just a combo.

For Ext. TA-->Cont. FL IA, try watching what Sunrise does in the last 2 clips of Tokyo Off:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwNxXrMWSc8

It also looks like your're going to need lots of practice. :rolleyes:

We just call it Spread 22 if it's Twisted Sonic Bust > Rev Bak...

That's the Japanese denotation.

To do it, do an index around and then if you're still learning it, you can allow the pen to do a sort of aerial trick to do the Rev. Bak.

If you want to do more spreads later though, like Spread 222 for example, you're going to need to master it without having it go high in the air.

Try it with a heavier pen and move down to a lighter pen and try controlling it. Practice makes perfect. I like doing it from a twisted sonic bust because you can use the momentum and 'cause I usually don't so a Spread 22 from IA > Rev Bak.

Hope that helped. I'm sure Toasty can post videos, he can do Spread 122... And many other crazy spreads. <_<

Erm.. what on earth is a spread? I didn't quite understand by reading the comments here ..

Spread means the pen going around a finger, in Japan it is:

1 - Thumb
2 - Index
3 - Middle
4 - Ring
5- Pinky

So, Spread 22 means the pen goes around your Index twice.

Heres a video I slowed down of sunrise doing some spreads off that tokyo video.

http://media.putfile.com/Spread---Sunrise

So, haha, looks like I gotta use a lot of difficult hand motion!

I thought it was fake double now.

dont worry guys, i am here :D:D.


My record was spread 122222. i went for the sixth, but didnt catch it =\.

Anyways enough boasting :grin:


what i have found is...

Try to use a double cap mod, or start a pen with its tip facing twoards your palm (like writing position). Depending on the cop of your pen, you are going to have to get your index back to the cap of the pen before then end of your fake double.

So..

To find out where to move your index finger, do a fake double, then with that cop there, use your other hand to hold the pen while moving your finger reasonably farther down. For my double capped mods/signo mx, i move my finger to the exact line of the cap.

After getting comforatble postion on that, begin to practice excuting the rev back after it. Your index finger should do a foward push, and then pull the finger back slightly. Sometimes, i dont bring my idnex back at all, but you should when you excute multiple reverse backarounds.

Another tip.

IMPORTANT If you find that th epen splips off easily, try to end your fake double with the pen closer to your knuckles, so you can do a "weis rev bak" (not really far enough down for a weis rev bak, but good enough). This will help you alot!

As for tw sonic bust>rev bak, it basically follows the same concepts. It is EASIER than fake double rev bak> as it requires less repositioning.

I hope this helped! if you need videos of pictures, just post here, and i will try yto find some time.

i started doing this a long time ago and i still cant get it.... some how the pen just flies... up and i catch it.... any tips in doing it smoother like the pen actually staying on your finger..... :help:

Thank you Toast but I really didn't understand this part, what do I have to do, retrace the fake double back or what? How do you do the fake double to get the cop right?

@ Kohai

did you even read this:

First, please make a video explaining Ext TA, Fake Double, and tornado or whatever it's called, and try to give download links so we can watch frame by frame.

Seriously I read 7 pages of a discussion thread and I still don't understand.. >__>

You don't need to do all that. Just post a video of the kind of fake double etc. that you use for a spread please.

I think term Spread isn't exist in our naming system (as tornado isn't exist, it's fake double). As i understand, spread 2 = bak rev and spread 1 = TA. Spread 12 it's just fake double and spread 12222.... it's fake double > continios bak rev.

Ext TA --> BackAround Reverse x5. [PS, my record is Bak Rev x9]

No. Just use a pen which has a heavy side. Start with the pen in writing position, so the tip is facing to you.

But yeah, he kinda got the concept right. Just don't call it spread whatever here.. We're not in JEB. It's just Ext TA --> Fl. IA/Bak Rev xn.

For those of you who are still confused, here's a tutorial video I made for Ext TA. (same thing as fake double and tornado)

http://media.putfile.com/Ext-TA-Tutorial

To do more rotations around the index, try to have the tip of your index close to the front of the pen when you would normally catch it. Hope that this helps.

Thats a tornado or a certain style of fake double as we call it on this forum but not a ext ta--it touches the thumb.

Here is a vid of me doing it with slow motion.
I can't link well but I can do by itself sometmes.
One thing to do is make sure you are not holding the pen tightly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FaX-DdLp4c

I create video with all types of Fake double and Ext TA.
Fake-double-and-Extended-ThumbAround-compilation
Tornado = Fake double Japanese style.

It's Korean style, not Japanese. -_-

Ok I'm trying to do that Tornado -> Rev Bak thing or whatever it's called, can someone tell me if I'm doing it right?

http://www.zippyvideos.com/1893344256697066/tornado_rev_bak/

Edit: Thanks, Eriror. ^_^

Yeah, really nice. :) Try to get the cam a bit further away, though.

It isn't matter, Japanese or Korean style, i say Japanese because term tornado came from Japanese naming system.

Finally, I did it a couple times!! Thank you Toast! That video helped a lot!

I would like to add some changes.


The hand motion is moving your hand back, then foward.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKxUeb2tLSM


Also, making it a "weis" rev bak will make it easier to get baks higher than 1 or 2, but is actually harder,as it requires more repositon. however, it looks more natural.

Awesome video Toasty thanks.

Funny video. :lol:

Sorry for the double posting but I think I figured out something!

I will make a video of it later, but it's only for Twisted Sonic Bust 23-12 > Bak Rev 12-12. Here's how I will break it down:

Twisted Sonic Bust > move hand to position for Ghetto Bak Rev > Ghetto Bak Rev

It's an exercise to get started on this combo! I will explain in greater detail in the video. Look for it!!

Haha, ok.

lol