Since there doesn't seem to be one major "What am I doing?" thread, I guess I can just post this here. Basically I was planning to do a backaround 12-23 and instead I seem to have done some sort of shadow rev to pass I guess. Just wondering what the trick is. Here's the link to a video:
YouTube

Thanks

looks like a neobak to fl pass 12-23 to me

Alright that makes sense to me. I was kind of thinking that it might be something like that but I had yet to figure out was a neobak was so I wasn't really sure.

Mid Bak ?? <_<

i think Backaround to fl pass to 23 (like the beginning fom BA fall)

No, the pen doesn't go around the index.

NeoBak 12-12 --> FingerLess Pass 12-23, as nike t said.

Okay since I apparently know how to do a neobak can someone clarify a couple of things for me? A normal bak only does 1 spin but a normal neobak does 1.5? And is the difference between a neobak and a shadow rev just the way in which they are started?

Neobak = 1.5 spins, does not go around any finger.

Backaround = 1.0 spin, goes around a finger.

Yes, you can think of Neobak as a version of Fingerless Shadow Reverse, one that has the pen pass through a finger slot right at the base of the fingers.

So what's the difference between a Neobak 12-23 and a Neobak 12-12 -> FL pass 12-23?

neobak 12-23 goes over the middle finger, neobak 12-12 -> fl pass 12-23 goes under the middle finger.

oh and could someone from the naming committee give neobak 12-12 -> fl pass 12-23 a name? i really hate typing the name out, and its a pretty commonly used hybrid

Okay so when you say that backaround goes around a finger, is that a strictly singular a or can it be plural? To form the question another way is backaround 23-23 closer to be fl ma or is it closer to fl ima?

???? Looks confusing to me. May be a neobak.

backaround 23-23 closer to be fl ma.

It can be plural, for example, IndexMiddleBackAround.

dudes what is this?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajf3TPsaNME

i didnt get the linkstuff to work...

..even though i'm pretty bad at this trick spotting, i think i quite surely can say that it is:
Wiper rev T1 > Pass normal T1-12 > Neosonic 12-T1

Escher (from GPC) do this trick since a long time, but what is it?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxs-hJo1Aqw


Is this a new trick? oO I´ve never saw this trick before.

Looks a variation of Thumbsnap. Indexsnap?

What is a snap?

I just got the term snap from the trick Thumbsnap. Go to the Thumbsnap page at Iluvitar.com for a written description.

Kam has a video of it in his old Pentix Videos Section under the Air Spin category.

The video posted by Spin looks to have a similar motion as a Thumbsnap, but using the Index finger instead of Thumb. Indexsnap.

IndexSnap 180 if we are to follow Kam's naming?

HI

Is there a name for the infinity rotation of the infinity?

If there is one, let me know how it is.

The infinity is a combo made up of wipers and passes. The passes are of the 'pass' spin type, the wipers are of the 'through spin' spin type. The infinity however, is generally seen as a 'through spin' combo. This information I think is in various places around the internet. And I think you should have waited until you got the 20 posts you needed to post this question to the naming committee. By that time, chances are, you will have found out for yourself what kind of spin the infinity makes.

Oh lol i forgot to write that i mean the rotation of the extended infinity

Is it really Charge 12 which u only make @ one end of tthe pen and palm down ?

It is essentially a charge 12 at one end of the pen, yes (damn u Ivan!).

Umm, I'm pretty sure you could manage it without your palm down though. Though palm down would be the easiest, best looking most used way to do it.

ok heres one for you guys.... its in the sonic family im pretty sure.... other than that i have no idea... i accidentally did it trying to learn Devil's Sonic (dont ask me how.... ) heres the vid...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=173C0lTXPxI

It looks like a hybrid of Demon's Sonic and Scissor Spin, except that the Scissor Spin is done nearer the tips of the fingers instead of the base.

It hasn't been decided if Scissor Spin needs to done at the base of the fingers or not.

Edit: could be written as: Demon's Sonic > Halftap, similar to Corkscew.

The difference being, Twisted Sonic has a Charge rotation at the end, whereas the Demon's Sonic does not. I'm not sure what to call the transfer from the 12 position to to T1 position before starting the Halftap topspin.

so the first thing i do IS a demons sonic?

If it's done smoothly, without a push for the last part, then it is.

just to clarify is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e1DmjEsnZo a halftap??

No, that's more like a scissor spin.

In a half tap you don't use an indexaround type of push.

its "more like" a scissor spin? what is a scissor spin then? and if thats not a scissor spin then what is it? Im just trying to understand the breakdown of my earlier combo.... its a demon's sonic ---> What?

Halftap Video

sorry sketching... quicktime doesnt work on my computer.... so i cant watch that vid.... so theres no real name for what im doing?

Demon's Sonic = Sonic 34 > half rotation from 23-12. The rotation is that of a Pass Reverse, but you don't actually pass the pen, it just bounces into the slot.

After that, there is a 1/2 rotation (12-T1), which is again not a Pass Reverse, to get ready for the 1/2 rotation on top of the Index finger and Thumb (Halftap).

The half-rotation from 12-T1 is what gives the pen the momentum for the Halftap motion. During your video, there is an obvious 1/2 rotation in between the end of the Demon's Sonic and the Halftap motion. I don't know what to call that 1/2 rotation.

Edit: there is currently no concrete definition of Scissor Spin. If Scissor Spin can be performed at, or near, the finger tips, then the combo is obviously Demon's Sonic > Scissor Spin. The problem is that performing Scissor Spin anywhere other than at the base of the fingers loses the entire scissor motion.

ok thanks alot sketching.... so until definition is concrete otherwise, i will consider it a demon's sonic --> scissor spin.....

I've been thinking about this more...

When finishing the Demon's Sonic, you placed your Thumb in the correct position to do the Halftap motion without any extra rotations. I'm not sure what I was looking at.

Revised breakdown:
Hybrid of Demon's Sonic + Halftap
or
Demon's Sonic > 0.5 Topspin T1

You could call the topspin motion a Fingerless Halftap, except that a FL Halftap no longer has the tap that gives the trick the proper name. Since it is an incomplete trick without the tap, you would have to call the entire thing a hybrid. Think of it like the Corkscrew.

The topspin should work since the pen is spinning on top of the Index and Thumb, even though it is actually spinning on the side of each. :lol:

yea i was looking at scissor spins and it doesnt really look like that.... i was playing pen spinning "HORSE" with one of my buddies at school and we have to name our combos beforehand, and he wouldnt let me use it becuase i couldnt name the combo lol..... so its a demons sonic "hybrid"?? what exactly does that mean??

im just wondering, but if there is no real breakdown for the combo, then could somebody name it? (kinda like a corkscrew...) its made up of two "hybrids", so in essance its a new trick right?

A hybrid is really an incomplete combo. It should be a combo, but a combo consists of full tricks.

Since not all combos need names, not all hyrids need then either. Eventually we (Naming Committee) will figure out what to do with hybrids. Until then, we just have to muddle through and use names like "fingerless halftap" and "fingerless pass". Grr.

Naming a hybrid is no guarantee that anyone else will use the name. Hopefully, we'll soon get to a point where there is a full enough system for breaking down hybrids.