I was just thinking. we know so much about pen spinning tricks and mods. why do we have almost no knowledge about history of pen spinning? why aren't people credited with tricks they made?


Well i might find this out from the essay contest

http://upsb.info/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12

There was a PS history department (much like the current Research Department) that died.

The main thing is, no one really cares. They do the tricks, have fun with them. Thats all they know or care to know.

Im actually also in that group. I could honestly care less about the history, I live in the present B)

yeah i mean i give credit to the people but i dont care about it much

I feel quite the opposite. I do penspin just because it's fun but I thing that the history of psing is not only very interesting, but I think you can learn from it. I think it's incredible that penspinning is what it is today. Early penspinners knew one, maybe 2 tricks and people debated over whether a reverse TA was even possible *does reverse TA*. But I mean if all I knew was a fingerpass, I'd do it in class or whatever, but I certainly wouldn't go on a quest to discover sonic. In fact, I went a long time just knowing fingerpass (learned from goldeneye) and I thought when I heard about psing on the yoyo boards that was all it was. When I first went to upsb (it had just closed at that point, ucpsb was new) and saw that there was a pen modding forum I actually laughed out loud. My point is of course that we should at least have a general understanding of psing's history. There is some good stuff to be found there I think. Like how the older spinners actually cared about smoothness and making good small combos, instead of spamming really hard tricks that look awkward. </rant>

Im definatly into learning all we can about penspinning (I am a research director afterall <_<)

I just dont really care about the history. Just doenst really interest me.

OBJECTION!
um...I object...for the sake of objecting. No but for real that is rather contradictory. All we can is all we can, history included. You should have said all we can except for the history, which is boring, uninteresting, and pointless to study.

touche.

I meant the art/physics/tricks/nomeclature ect. Present things

for sure if you learn about PS history, you can understand what an old-timer like me sees of PS and how you can appreciate traditional values of PS; which were about creativity than execution.

you can also discover old pros that don't spin much nowadays, like NHK_9 (#1 spinner on the planet).

"Old timer" lol You only started spinning back in what... 04 or 05? Most of the old timers started around those years, IIRC. Not that old, if you ask me.

But yeah, if you're going to teach history, teach it properly. Don't make it sound like a textbook where you're merely stating dates and what happened. You need to involve the reader and make them feel like they were actually there, witnessing the events. Only THEN can the reader truly appreciate PS the way Zombo does.

Catch my drift?

no...

I started 8 years ago.

D: Bastid! :banana:

Well, some of the other so-called old timers started spinning during 04-05 when UPSB opened. I believe that's when it opened.

yes, but Pentix Forums opened in like '01. Ask Linkin'. He was on the boards before I do (tr00 old-timer)

This is all documented in the link posted by Petahpie BTW.

EDIT: On my article it says I joined the board in 2002. So ~5 years on forums, ~3 years before that.

http://upsb.info/forums/showthread.php?t=34

UPSB opened somewhere in 2003-2004.

I think about the pen spinning history a lot i and if i ever make a fortune in life i'll consider hiring a private detective to find out who invented the TA,sonic etc. although i doubt that he would succeed. do we even know who gave the sonic its name? i mean yoyoing has a clear history and so do loads of other contact juggling sports arts but the only thing we know about ps is that hideaki kondoh started the first ps site and that David Weis invented the backaround imho this is by far not enough howgh.

no one invented TA or sonic. Many people have discovered them by themselves. The reason I found out that penspinning was more than just fingerpass was my orthodontist could do TA. When I asked him how to do it he said "get a desk job," implying that the way he learned it was just out of boredom. It would be impossible to find out who discovered those tricks first. For all we know Aristotle could have had a small rod (no pun intended) that he used for doing TA when he got nervous in a philosophical argument.

I alwasys wanted to see the thread where the backaround was revealed or something lol :P

this may be of interest to you

http://www.pentrix.com/upsb2/viewtopic.php?t=68

I'm still looking for something earlier because at this point the video is fairly well known and weis says that he invented it "3 years ago".

edit: Here's where the poster of that thread got the video http://wind.prohosting.com/%7Ekamykaze/pencilspinning/

Hey, some of u got good points.


well if u think about it, let's say that someone was interviewed for pen spinning, and get asked, "What is the history of Pen Spinning?"
only answer you could say is basic things like "hedeaki guy created the first pen spinning site blah blah blah".


Like Zombo says, since we have history, we appreciate things like "karate" or "Judo" or many other things. it also attracts other people's attension instead of making fun of us for spinning a pen and looking like a nerd.
It's a way to get Pen Spinning more popular

as well as a more serious hobby, instead of just a thing bored students do.

There was no one, who is known, to have kept notes about this stuff early on because it just wasn't important enough.

If Hideaki said he saw some guy on TV doing a few tricks, it shows that people were doing things and not making too big a deal about it. Hideaki didn't even care to remember the person's name on TV.

There were way too many people doing the basics before websites came around. Even then, no one cared to find out how everyone really learned things and from who.. Here are some excepts from the Iluvitar.com - Pencil Spinning website...

Who's Dave and where did learn Fingerpass? Patrick Szeto doesn't say and may not even keep in touch with Dave and have a way to ask. Most likely, Dave doesn't give a fuck where he learned it either, unless he made it up himself one day.

Again, Jean Sebastien learned it from somewhere, but it wasn't important enough for Patrick to push for a definite answer to keep record of.

Patrick didn't even care to talk to the guy (I'm guessing the library conversation was just too important to interrupt for the sake of keeping an acurrate historical record of the invention of thing particular trick).

...of course, I'm not saying anything bad about Patrick Szeto, his was one the very first PSing websites that I learned tricks from. I'm just making the point that the early (or just not too recent) days of PSing are way to muddy in terms of early trick development and naming to properly give credit.

out of curiosity, have there been kammys since '04?

Just a random note, I learn rev. TA about 20 seconds ago thanks to that site Sketching posted <3

That guy describes most tricks pretty well! If he had today's naming system, it'd be up there with Kam descriptions :P

Here's a snippet from [REF000017]The Kammys in the UPSB forums...

yea I read that article. I was just wondering if there have been any since. even though it was made in january 05 it was for the year 04 right? was there an 05 kammys? 06?

Nope, only the one.

oh, thats too bad. maybe we could have one for 07 if v3 opens sometime this year. or we could have it here.

there was a proposal to make one called for UCPSB but we never found a better name for the award (can't use Kammy)

Call it the Zombys

:dunno:

YES!