Title: Why Is It?
xshadowfire - April 13, 2007 12:47 AM (GMT)
why is it that there are books on card tricks and (i think) drum spinning, but no books on pen spinning?
i might just be ignorant but i'm sure the number of people that know basic pen tricks outnumber the people that know basic card tricks.
sketching - April 13, 2007 01:16 AM (GMT)
No one has gotten around to making one?
I'm still holding out for the PSing DVD. Hop to it Kam! :P
Joshua - April 13, 2007 01:17 AM (GMT)
Its probably because of the fact that pen spinning is so easy to do. Point and case: card tricks take alot more instruction than that of penspinning tricks. People can watch a few videos and get a pen trick down solid, then move to card tricks and have trouble with them for months before finding out a little tip that could've been taught to them from a book or guide.
Though, it would be good to have a book about advancing in PS. Because a lot of people only get so far with pen spinning.. Hmm.. its something to think about.
Zombo - April 13, 2007 01:21 AM (GMT)
PSers live in the digital world, books are so passé, Internet FTW!
xshadowfire - April 13, 2007 01:31 AM (GMT)
we should have the reasearch team write a book on pen spinning and publish it to help spread pen spinning :P
Zombo - April 13, 2007 01:35 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (xshadowfire @ Apr 12 2007, 08:31 PM) |
| we should have the reasearch team write a book on pen spinning and publish it to help spread pen spinning :P |
meh that sounds liek a lot of trouble. Online articles are much more convenient. We'd rather take the time to work on NEW stuff, not new ways to discuss OLD stuff.
firebird - April 13, 2007 02:25 AM (GMT)
This is a good question. The simple answer is that nobody has been willing to author such a book. Most practitioners of PS are still in school and don't have much time to undertake such a project. Writing a book is more complicated than you think.
While online articles are far more feasible, but I'd like to clarify that they are more convenient for the creator(s) but less convenient for the readers. Advantages of books are that they are less stressful on the eyes, are more portable, etc. These are reasons people generally read physical novels instead of online text. An e-book would nevertheless be the most realistic option for a pen spinning book if the project ever materialized. Even then, the book would be far from exhaustive. However, with an online format, the information can easily be amended as new concepts are discovered.
MikeN - April 13, 2007 02:26 AM (GMT)
I'm just venturing a guess, but perhaps it's more underground? I know drum stick spinning is much more popular than pen spinning...
:dunno:
UnEmploymentDude - April 13, 2007 03:12 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (xshadowfire @ Apr 12 2007, 06:31 PM) |
| we should have the reasearch team write a book on pen spinning and publish it to help spread pen spinning :P |
DONT YOU FUCKING STEAL MY IDEA!
Its been in the back of my mind for the last year!
But there is a little article about PS by David Weis in The book of Cool.
firebird - April 13, 2007 03:17 AM (GMT)
Zombo - April 13, 2007 03:22 AM (GMT)
JewyPEZ never completed that guide though... grrr
I think someone else also tried to make a guide, also failed.
TayYH89 - April 13, 2007 06:22 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (firebird @ Apr 13 2007, 10:25 AM) |
| However, with an online format, the information can easily be amended as new concepts are discovered. |
Erm, you mean like the wiki project?
Speaking of that, there is actually an online archive for pen spinning articles. It's just that not enough people are contributing to it. And yeah, it's pretty much still down. I wonder what is elliot doing with it.
Hmm....
MaxXVerTex - April 13, 2007 06:29 AM (GMT)
If pen spinning were to spread widely, then it wouldn't be special anymore. Everyone would be able to do the same things, no more surprises. It is underground and it should kind of stay that way.
EvanS - April 13, 2007 06:59 AM (GMT)
I agree, if PSing were widespread it would become some fad that everyone would do and that would kinda piss me off. It's unique and wouldent be the same if every noob around was like " OMG I LEANRED THIS THING... ITS LIKE A CHARGE OR SOMETHING!!!!" And you'd have like 30 pens being dropped constantly in class... Also most people just arent coordinated enough to actually become decent, you need natural hand-eye and it's just not there for most. Well anyways widespread PSing=bad so yeah.
K4S - April 13, 2007 07:07 AM (GMT)
I dont see growth as a bad thing...of course there are a few negative aspects but the positives outweigh them. As well, most people arent going to get very good. At worst, everyone will know how to do TA, sonic, charge and a crappy fingerpass.
Card tricks and manipulation are VERY WELL KNOWN...but how many people do you know who can do more than simple shuffle+bridge? How many people can do a simple 1 handed cut?
Coin manipulation is also very well known...but again, how many people do you know who can do a knuckle roll? Can you, yourself even do a smooth knuckle roll? I know i cant, yet it's an easy and world known coin trick.
Beng - April 13, 2007 09:20 AM (GMT)
Maybe cause of this...Scenario:
Friday night...01:00 Am...your sitting there with 9 friends..playing poker....its your turn to deal...you pick the Cards..and then WOOSH BAM WOOOSH
some wickied card tricks
10 minutes later..you wake up in hospital with a letter in your pocket:
Next time Deal instead of showing us some fuckin tricks
----->
Those books are written by Medicins
fuzzyshan - April 13, 2007 11:40 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (UnEmploymentDude @ Apr 13 2007, 03:12 AM) |
But there is a little article about PS by David Weis in The book of Cool. |
yeah iv got the book of cool and in it (or mainly the DVD) David Weis teaches quite a few of the basic tricks hes also really modest in not even mentioning that he invented the backaround he just says that its one of the harder intermediate tricks. i sent an email to the makers of the book of cool asking if theyre gonna have pen spinning in the second volume and they said that its a tricky proccess but they might find some room for it.
EDIT: not to forget the wikihow articles on pen spinning in mean thats had over 300,000 views.
encaenmi - April 13, 2007 05:29 PM (GMT)
Yeah I own the book of cool and David Weis teaches some easy tricks. He doesen't even teach alll of the fundamentals though. But his spinning is quite impressive, very effortless and he also does some cool combos only with the moves that he teaches in the book.
The book of cool itself is great, I have learned a lot of tricks from different sports.
Book of CoolPD: Is David Weis still a member of any forum or something like that?
Toast - April 13, 2007 07:07 PM (GMT)
another reason why it is difficult to write a book is because pen spinning was developed by people all over the world.
We have to credit tricks and combos, and theere are just so many perspectives into penspinning. Penspinning is still a new manipulation, and until we find a media of things (eg. trick names, trick families, trick properties) I don't see a book being written anytime soon.