Well, you know a Neo-Sonic?
I do the trick, but making it jump from 34-TF. Is there a name for this trick?
And, if it is done from 12-TF, like a Index around reverse (not an index around reverse I think, because it is grabbed in T1)... How is this other called?

NeoSonic 34
and
NeoSonic 12

So, is there a difference of name when it is grabbed between T1, and when it it grabbed in TF?

Well it depends .... If you catch it T1, then it could just be considerred a Pass 12-T1

What does F mean ?

ThumbFlap.

NeoSonic is assumed to be caught in the Thumbflap by default. If you catch it anywhere else, you name it depending on where it is caught.

Examples:
- NeoSonic 12-T1 would technically be a Passaround (Reverse?) 12-T1
- NeoSonic 23-T1 would probably still be called a NeoSonic since it is different than a Passaround, the pen goes over the Middle finger, but under the Index finger. Passaround probably would not work for that.

Passes have the pen being held at all times. NeoSonic 12-T1 would not be a Pass since the pen is flying freely through the air between the push and catch.

yea i meant passaround.... my bad Jmember.

Does the Fingerless make any difference? I do that Neo-Sonic fingerless from 12-TF. Is there any change in name? (Knowing that with fingers, it is called passaround 12-TF right?)

After all, I recently did some tricks that I dont know how they are called. It is like a Neo-Sonic, from 34. It goes clockwise and jump over 123, then getting to ThumbFlap. Any name for this trick?
Variant of that trick:
Like a Neo-Sonic, but jumping the 12, and not a passaround over the middle finger.

How would this be named? - Like about 1-2 weeks waiting for repply; just bumping topic.
Edit: Posted: Apr 19 2007, 05:48 AM: last post.

NeoSonic 34-TF

I hate the name neosonic completely & i will call it gunman til the day i die

A gunman is an indexaround reverse.

technically IA rev & "neosonic 12-T1" are both called gunman but i think almost everywhere that still uses the term gunman refers to what ucpsb calls neosonic 12-t1. gunman is such a better name

Quoted from the Gunman thread. Check the master threads listing.

Yes i know, but i don't care, like i said, i think gunman is a better name. Especially since there is no variation between gunman (referring to IA rev) and ia rev. If i said gunman & meant IA rev, or said IA rev, they would be the same trick. If i said gunman (meaning neosonic 12-T1) and neosonic, theyre a different trick, theyre caught completely different & are linked to other tricks differently.

If i were to be doing a formal breakdown for something like psconclave i would use the correct nomenclature, but to me its always going to be gunman not neosonic 12-t1.

Just for making sure. Here, the first video, is from 23 to T1, or TF, any, and here, the second video, shows it from 34 to TF, or TF, any too.
They seem to be Neo-Sonics, but I think that not.
Edit: Another question here. (for not occuping space with too much topics) Is Index Around necessary to be vertically done?

Those are Neo-Sonics.

So, if they are Neo-Sonic, how can we distinguish the first video trick to a Neo-Sonic (23-TF)?

It IS a Neo-Sonic 23-TF, it just jumps the index finger in addition to the middle finger.

Give the name exactly how it is called, please.

Edit: See Eburt's post below.

NC was discussing this... we didn't come to any coclusions as it brought up some other issues with other tricks. When we name it we want to make sure that it will work for everything. Give us some time...