http://z15.invisionfree.com/UCPSB/index.php?showtopic=6303
(Look at night actions, role PMs posts for complete details on the game)

Whew, mafia are all alive, town can't make one good lynch? Ouch.

Anyway, it was a fun game. Had a lot of fun moderating this, seen some very clever play. It's hard to notice those plays when you're only observing, but you can actually know everything, you're amazed by the creativity and wits of certain players. Of course, you also see the bad plays and the mistakes a lot more clearly.

Obviously, it was a first experience for many people, including me, so the game didn't run as smooth as it should, nor did it run as long as it should. It's harder playing town when you're inexperienced.

However when I look at the "power roles" assigned to each faction, I clearly see an advantage given to the town. Doctor + Cop is just huge, too bad the doctor got eliminated early.

Use this thread to post your comments, feedback and discuss on/about the game.

Everybody can talk! Even the public.

I'll post my 3 stars for the game later.

So yeah, you guys want another round or not? What changes should I make?

BTW, if the next game is not based on real-life persons, I'll make it bloody with real death, not just eliminations.

Definitely need a lot more players so the game is more interesting. Possibly add a prize so people have incentive to win and play seriously

A more graphic game would be awesome, Zombo!

I say kudos to you (and Stefan?) for putting this game together! :clap:
I know I had a blast playing it and using logic, wits, and down right strategy to win it.

Whats funny is, I emailed Rorix and lefty101 right before we won, giving them our options for Day 4. :) And fyi, Ripp, you were going to go down in the third night. And this time, you wouldn'tve gotten up!! haha

My suggestions for another game would be to have less players, but really good players. Some people didn't reason or argue very well --- and thats the whole premise of the game, basically.

It did seem kind of short, too. But I still had fun.

What did everyone else think? Did anyone else (not playing the game) suspect me? :ssst:

BTW, kensai, you're pretty damn good at that game. I was this close to slipping up in Day 1, and you finding me out.

EDIT--- Though.. looking at firebird's post, a prize would mean that more people would take it seriously... but I still think less players would make it more interesting.

Yes... but ppl would also complain a heck lot more if they have bad teammates :/

@ Joshua, how could you have not know that you have won after noticing the mislynch on SeYoon? Pretty obvious....

I followed the whole game and thought it was pretty interesting. I was thinking kensai and joshua were mafia but wasn't totally sure. If you do another mafia game, I would definitly join in. Oh and I voted "add more people" in the poll, as I think it would be more fun with more people. Maybe try something like having 2 different factions of mafia who are against each other, while still going against townies.

for sure, the more people there is, the more complex te game will be.

However, since most people here are not expert mafia players, it would get very confusing and people wouldnt be able to reason clearly.

I forgot about the ratio needed for the mafia to win. I guess I got caught up in playing, and forgot about specifics. /shrug

dang, all this time I thought you were making a strong push in day 3 because you knew there was no tomorrow if you provoked a mislynch, so no damage to your reputation was effective.

Yeah, my basic strategy was keep my guys out of the Townie's hair and not be suspicious -- so in other words, I guess you could say I was going for the mislynch. It was really hard in day three, though, but as soon as I saw kensai's last post, I made the push. It was wasn't hard at all to be convincing either. "We need to find out some how..", "This will show the liar", etc: comments like these made for an easy mislynch.

So yeah, I didn't know there was no tomorrow, but I did provoke the mislynch.

Also! Good job to Rorix and lefty101! I wasn't sure lefty101 was going to make it through the third day!

btw... did anyone catch the clues at the end of my posts that could've led to me being the leader of the Mafia??
EDIT--- I was trying to help out the Townies with those, actually. And to make it more fun for me. Look back at the thread if you don't know what I'm talking about. :)

Firstly it was a lot of fun but we need more players...

Second I really think Mafia had a big advantage, but they still played very well and deserved the win. The reason I think they had the advantage was with 3 Mafia + 1 Turn Coat + Serial Killer thay have almost half of the group at least halfway on their side. The serial killer really favors them early, since its more likely he'll kill one of the townies.

Joshua, I knew you were Mafia after I was eliminated... I should've seen it earlier. You made a few mistakes actually, but no one caught them. Jumping on the misvote bandwagon was one IMO. Another was saying your pwer was another turn-coat AND explaining how it worked. Of course this was only relevent to me because I was one, but Zombo just told me I might be able to do it. He never explained how, so I knew you were lying... A rule in court trials and thing such as this is to omit details if not necessary. Even without that people should've suspected the probability of a second turn-coat as pretty low... oh, and I noticed the quotes too, but I didn't totally figure out what you meant with them.

Anyway, great game. I'd love to play again!

I no longer think there are enough people at this board willing to play. UCPSB is very inactive at the moment.

omfg.

who called it?


i KNEW for some reason that joshua was mafia...... thats why you had me offed huh josh?? lol.

no. read the night actions, LittleRaisin killed you.

oh. ok then.


haha, whatever, i still called it.

ahhah
make another one with more people
and an incentive to play

i'd play again, after i get better at debating and arguing since i was the first one down because of my own lousy defense

i suspected lefty101 but i never guessed Joshua would have been mafia

Yeah you did, brah! Though, I had no hand in your death, I just rolled into the voting, like Eburt stated already -- which is something you caught. I knew you knew, but still, good call, brah.

btw, I wasn't going to have you killed until the second night, anyway. haha

kensai was going to be last. I was scared once I heard his powers. I didn't want to die during an assination attempt! haha

The game was awesome! I didn't even realize we won even when SeYoon got lynched.

It was really interesting to see how it worked, and how the mafia got the way through to victory. Now that I've seen how it works, I'd love to play a game. I was a bit surprised at Joshua being mafia, so yeah. BTW, "gifted Dutch pen spinner"?

Good job, Joshua, you really did it well.
Good job, Zombo and firebird, loved reading the stories. ;)

Oh, yes. Forgot to say let's have another game! I can't believe we had a flawless victory (hehe 'flawless'. I like that word).

OMG

I CANNOT belive i made it through.
i was sure i was going to die the last day
thanks to kensai for taking the heat off of me (hehe).
kudos to josh and zombo
josh was and awesome leader
rorix nice working with you

Wow i still cant belive i made it
Rippdrive hade me cased from the begining
good think the townies didnt listen to him

i voted for more people

more people = more fun and longer game

MAFIA.........FTW!!!!

voted for same amount of people....

too many people, and the games will last too long.... that sounds like a good thing, but it means if you get lynched/killed, you're out for a long time....

I feel I did really well that game.
I pegged strat as the cop/doctor the first day.
Eburt was on my weak suspect pile. I didn't have a strong feeling either way.

Joshua was also on the weak suspect pile but he played very well and I didn't have him as much of a suspect by the end.

lefty101 was my prime suspect since day one. I only didn't vote for him on day two because I wanted to see LittleRaisin gone as he was on the suspect pile too.

Rorix didn't say much throughout the entire game so he was a suspect but I didn't feel strongly enough about it to lynch him yet.

As for the rest of the players, I suspected a few as mafia but not really enough to do anything. I honestly don't know who I would have suspected next is lefty101 actually got voted out.

Based on the clue thing between SeYoon and lefty101, lefty paraphrased where SeYoon posted the direct post. This pointed to SeYoon being innocent for me because I have read over a thousand of Zombo's posts and it looks very closely formatted to how Zombo would have put it.

can the alumni of the first game
reserve a spot in the next game zombo

by the way when is the next game?

yea that would be my follow-up question; when do you want to have it?

As I see now, most people want a bigger game, which is fine. a 20 people game could last as long as 10 days, depending on the number of kills per night, which would take about a month to complete, which is OK.

But if there's more people, chances are I will have to set longer deadline, so everybody gets a chance to read and reply. As always, length is variable and reserved to my judgment.

I think it should take me like 1-2 weeks just to make the new game (already got some ideas).

So anytime next week or the week is fine by me.

I suppose it depends when you guys start/finish your exams?

First off, that was fun!

Seondly, gratz to Joshua & Co.! Really good work, Josh. I'm very impressed.

Thirdly, I voted for less people. I think we should try the next one with less people first (this time I'll spectate), and the one after with more people. Less people first because it's easier to keep focus and interest in the game for spectators, hopefully provoking more interest before we do a big one.

...

On Joshua...

I suspected Joshua from the beginning, but decided not to point it out as I could deal with him later.

The second day, however, he was on my unknown suspects list as he still suspected lefty even after lefty had revealed his clue and I had confirmed his innocence, asking all the Townies to check their clues. I let things slide as I wanted to narrow down the lynch-of-the-day list, also keeping in mind that he was supportive of my decisions so far.

However, on the third day I knew that Joshua was Mafia; my clue was "There is a potential traitor amongst the pen spinners!"...notice the singular 'a'. Even if Zombo had made a mistake, I found it very unlikely that with such a big advantage on the Mafia's side*, it would be highly unlikely that there would be an additional turn-coat Townie in our midst. Anyways, I withheld my clue because I still needed Joshua to think that I still regarded him as an ally, but if the situation called for it later in the game I could use it as leverage against him.

Note also that the Mafia leader and Serial Killer are both immune to my investigations!

Why I (half-)lied...

The reason why I gave a distorted version of my power was to protect myself from the Mafia (aha! I see that Joshua was fooled!). It wasn't a selfish thing to do, as I would've gladly given my life if it gave my side the chance to win; rather I knew that we Townies needed my investigative power as long as possible in order to secure victory.

The reason, then, for why I partially lied about my investigative power and first investigation (it was in fact RippDrive whom I investigated the first night, not strat) was so that it would make my made-up powers more credible. Since RippDrive was clearly supporting the Townies, it would be redundant and a waste to confirm the obvious.

Final Notes & Suggestions...

I wasn't disappointed that my side lost, but that our players were acting so suspiciously. Hopefully this game's given everyone some experience in tact and persuasion; I'll definitely be expecting more out of the next bunch of Townies.

Joshua's team was excellent, and I really have to hand it to their leader himself. I mean, lefty101 didn't even bother to make proper posts nor defend himself, while Rorix pretty much kept quiet throughout the whole game. Joshua on the other hand drew the attention away from them very well while appearing mostly innocent to the rest of us. Truly imressive play there. :clap:

As for how to improve the game...hmm, honestly, as mentioned above, the Mafia had a big advantage in this game - don't forget that for every turn-coat the Mafia recruits, the Townies lose one member while the Mafia gains one member, altering the Townie:Mafia ratio by a huge amount. A Serial Killer would also even out the difference between the Mafia and the Townies incredibly quick, so I would suggest either losing the turn-coat or Serial Killer if you were to create a similar-sized game the next time.

Oh and one last thing...Flawless Victory...hmm reminds me DA, DA, DA-DA DA DA DA DA, DA, DA-DA DA DA DA....Anyways, it was a very enjoyable game. Kudos to Zombo and all participants.

Thanks. Glad someone enjoyed them. ;)

hey kensai if you're not gonna play the next one why don't you moderate it

I'll post the emails I sent to Rorix and Lefty101 during the game so you could see our stategies. Its quite thought provoking, very logical, and somewhat amusing at the same time. After I post mine, I invite Rorix and Lefty101 to do the same. :)

Now that i have some extra time i may play in the next game. I just read though the entire mafia game tutorial though and there are a lot of roles....almost to the point of confusing.

Would love to but I don't have the time...the reason why I decided not to play the next one was because work these days usually requires me to commit OT. And by the time I log on it's late and I don't have much energy to post too.

I can help you create the next game though...I've experience playing board games so I could help with balancing issues.

yea that's what I meant. If I make a large game, it's harder to manage, also need someone to write the story parts and stuff, you're good at this.

When is the next sign up going to be, because I don't want to miss out.

I said in at least 1 week, depending how busy ppl are.

Ye sure, just drop me a PM when you're ready.

My 3 stars of the game:

#3: kensai - Played a rather solid game. Adopted a really proactive attitude, which is good when you are townie (the worst thing townies can do is sit around doing nothing). However, made 2 mistakes in the last day. The first was to role claim kam with little or no pressure. You just don't do a role claim when there is no need to. Furthermore, this role claim would leave only 1 role claim left for the day, which was used by SeYoon. Had kensai not role claimed, lefty101 would probably have to claim a role too. He was saved by this error. The other error of course is to initiate the lynch on Seyoon, when he clearly claimed to be tohlz without any objection. The lie on the power was also nice, to protect his own life, although against experienced players it probably wouldn't work.

#2: RippDrive - Was very sharp right from the beginning of the game. Made some excellent calls on the suspects. This early aggressiveness actually gave a chance to win for the townies after the terribly mislynch in day 1. Mafia were looking to eliminate his wit early on and of course were thwarted by his shield, which bought some extra time for the Town. The only flaw I can think of was for RippDrive to boldly claim 2 nightkills in night 1 when he should have considered the possiblity that a nightkill can be avoided (which indeed happened). Because of this, townies were a bit suspicious of him and could not totally be convinced by his choices of suspects, which were actually spot-on.

#1: Joshua - Fantastic play in the late game. Started off shaky with the lucky accusation from strat1227 but somehow managed to get past the first day alive. From then on he was particularly clever in redirecting votes on innocent suspects and re-affirming his innocence with well-though clues and powers.

ok here is mine sorry its kinda late

God, I still can't believe that nobody else voted for lefty101. Since the first day all I told anyone was that I was sure he was guilty!

You got to back up your suspicions man...then again I backed up all of mine, but the Mafia still won. Heh.

Eww?

isnt it interesting to see our plans
for the destuction of the town

Why "Eww"? My mis-spelling of analyze?