Keep all post-game discussion here for this town victory.

Game thread

Be sure to read the Night actions and the Role PMs.

I will reveal my 3 stars later.

Some interesting facts:

-Serial killer killed 60% of the mafia.
-Vigilante, on the other hand, killed 4 townies on 4 attempts.
-firebird got targeted by all 3 killing powers in night 1.
-I apologize for the 3000*f mistake. I swear I thought it was a mod :/
-There was no doctor in this game, yet most people played like they assumed there was one.
-Next game won't be any time soon and it will be narrated by firebird.

I hope kensai can comment on the narration later. Thank him for the collossal work he did for the narration. :bowdown:

Congratulations town! :clap:

I hope you all enjoyed the game :)

Ripp drive all most single handedly made us (the town) lose. :no:

Town won...?

lefty, what the hell are you talking about? O_o

YAY WE WON YAY YAY WE WON YAY

EDIT- Flip helped the townies win, lol.

EDIT2- it seemed as if eriror wanted strat out of the game as fast as possible. too bad eburt did not understand him..

If I were Flip, I would claim the role of the Tattooed Man and convinces others that the Tattooed Man is in fact the vigilante by referring to the narration and how the Tattooed Man killed a lot of Mafia.

Of course this is risky because RippDrive would know right away that you're lying, but if you're convincing enough, you could make Ripp get lynched and the SK would have won the game!

This is why I can never play this ridiculous game again. I didn't even do much the first day yet my presence alone was enough to make people fear me.

Since this night wasn't a 3-townie kill night, it went a long ways towards the townies' victory. So even in defeat I was still able to help my side win. The SK, Mafia, and Vigilante may have targetted me, but I made them all regret it. If the SK and Mafia had both targetted different townies than the Vigilante, the townies would have lost (there would be the SK and 1 townie at the end), and the vigilante already regrets killing a fellow a Townie.

The townies lucked out hugely. Under normal circumstances, when your own vigilante goes 4/4 killing your team and you only lynch two mafia members, both out of pure luck, you LOSE.

So next game I am going to be the narrator. That way I can't lose like Parker Lewis.

ripp killed four townies

Yeah, but we didn't lose..

YEAHHHHBOIIIIII

under normal circumstances, the vigilante don't miskill 4/4 and the SK doesn't kill 60% of the mafia... so it evens out I guess. And the remaining 40% don't commit fatal mistakes to get them lynched (lostfire and rorix)

Btw I think Eriror has hinted towards two mafias in his messages.

When Eburt said "FlipStrat?" and the answer was S, it is pretty obvious that it's referring to Strat. I have no idea why he didn't catch that, so obvious.

Then when he responded a second S in a row, matching both S results in "SS", the initials for Scott Shaputis.

damn, that serial killer got lucky lol.... mafia coulda won the game if he didnt luck out in hitting me.... correct me if im wrong, but there was little to NO suspicion of me throughout the whole game :P

this had alot to do w/ a lucky (although i like to think it was intellegant) pen claim...


and Eriror.... i trusted you man :P jk jk.

umm what else..... sorry FB, we had to do it lol...



oh yea, and wtf was fitz thinking in the beginning?

it'd be interesting if the mafia could post their conversations, like Joshua did last game.

lol, alot of it was on msn and stuff....

there wasnt much conversation...

EDIT: EXCEPT for everyone making fun of/being pissed at l0stf1r3 for being retarded <_<

good game, i enjoyed reading it when i had time.

Good job, Townies!!
:clap:

Flip was a good judge in who was mafia, if he was in fact going for them.

I'll post all my comments later tonight, especially regarding PO and my suspects list. (Sorry, I don't have more time right now to type. Just enough to read)

1. Zombo, when is the next game :)

2. If I didn't die I was gonna suspect Scott. I had a good feeling he was getting away with something with his poltergeist claim. Every other role had something plausible to the situation, like Twins, or a Snipe Kill, or Chief of Police, but poltergeists have no place in a pen spinning tournament. It was also odd how, just as the Tombow mod thread came up, Scott claimed Tombow. So anyway, I dunno if anyone woulda gone with me but I was going to accuse him. After he claimed a pen and a power, he just didn't do anything, which was suspicious to me as well. I'd think he would want to at least try to look like he was helping the Town, like Strat did.

I had good reason to suspect everyone who I targeted. The only one I really regret was ShortAssassin.

@strat: I didn't really suspect you. Mostly because you echoed most of my own concerns about PO. At the time I just thought that you and I were on the same page.

I was amazed that I only got one vote the entire game.

I really want to know what the hell flip was doing. I mean I'm not complaining he did my job for me but seriously? Were you just having the same type of bad luck as me?

I dunno, not gonna be real soon, need to come up with fresh ideas.

Aww, I want to play again :).

@Ripp: Everyone makes mistakes :)

it'd be funny to see how Eriror behaved himself in the first and second night before getting caught by Rorix.

for a while, he was completely unsuspicious.


then he let leak that he had a pen.

thats when i/we knew.

strat....

you will die in 7 days...

watch out for the mafia...

Hello. Why don't you be a nice girl and run along now. Go watch some more General Hospital.

i never decided to tell anyone about my plan, that how i would get others to get lynched, as i know i would get lynched first, and well, i kinda planned on it...

but, to everyone, i'm sorry for being such an asshole this game
my bad.

hit the nail on the head :P

Yea I screwed up bad, lol.

A bit of night 2's conversation which lead to Eriror's death. (The conversation is bits of the emails we sent each other).

Rorix: The Mafia Mole. I'm pretty sure he exists because of the strange message sent to me and Eburt. This is good news for us, since it means we have an extra player.

(Just a note, I know I already knew about the mole and that he wasn't in my list of mafia, but I didn't want to reveal that info. It's a good thing I didn't because Eriror tried to take the role of the mole as you can see below...)

strat: wrong, no extra player... Eriror is the mole

Eriror: I have the Com-SSA pen. Seriously. There is no risk for me being counterclaimed.

Rorix: Why is Eriror the mole? How did you know? And Eriror, you have a pen?

Eriror: It seems I have a pen indeed... But what do you mean with the first part?

Rorix: strat said "wrong, no extra player... Eriror is the mole"

Eriror: Yeah. Sorry to get your hopes up. =/

Rorix: Please tell me how he knows, and why I don't know. And also, what is your role as the mole? Do you just have a pen? Or do you have abilities?

Eriror: He asked me what pen I was gonna claim the next day on MSN. It forgot to mail you about it. I only figured I am the mole after he said like: "Wait.. How?"

I show up as innocent when someone investigates me. I also have a real famous pen.

(I was suspicious at this point because he claimed to be vanilla on the first night.)

Rorix: Alrighty then


Hahahahaha. I decided to kill him after that.

Edit: Added a little formatting :)

nice, I'm glad me and kensai added the roles of undercover cop and mafia mole in the game, it added a whole new metagame inside the game.

Not only did the mafia had to play a game of Mafia with the townies, but they had to play Mafia with themselves to find out who's the intruder.

AHAHAHAHA...

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Some notes on the narration:

1. I wanted to be heavily involved in this game, so I started exchanging ideas with Zombo at the start. My initial idea was an Infernal Affairs-themed game, hence the Mole and Undercover Cop roles. On hindsight it would've been interesting writing more from their perspective, but they got killed off so early in the game...in fact, I hadn't really decided on the Tattooed One's identity before writing the first narrative, but Zombo and I decided that it made more sense for him to be the Serial Killer.

2. I wanted to the narration for Game #2 to immerse the players in the events that were happening around them, to make them feel like it affected them, and to remind them that the results of their actions were very real. One of the things I like most about RPGs is their distinct atmosphere that sets the tone for each chapter of the game, ie, creepy, thrilling, mysterious etc. and I hoped to replicated that. You'll also notice that I wrote the events of each night in chronological order and that I drew my ideas from actual incidents that were happening during the game, which hopefully made them much more believable.

3. I also found that one of the things I could explore in this game (unlike in the first) were the events leading up to each murder, and how each victim was murdered. Hence, there are no two causes of death alike. Another thing I found I could play around with were switching the points of view and narrative styles, for eg. a detective thriller ("Two Minutes to Midnight"), noir ("Police & Thief"), a letter ("DO NOT OPEN (UNLESS)"), a PA transcript ("Public Adress No. 6"), a journal entry ("Man Down"), non-linear/flashback ("Scott Shaputis is Dead") and horror ("Eclipse"). This way, the narratives (I hope) were kept fresh.

4. I decided to plant useful information in the narratives for the players to deduce and use to their own advantage, though I'm disappointed to say that most of my hints went unnoticed. One obvious one, for example, was my portrayal of Toast as an innocent player, which could have been used to defend him. Another example is in the Night 1 narrative, where there are obviously two other killers in the bathroom not associated with the Tattooed One. I'm not sure how firebird will write the narratives for the next game, but for your own sakes please read more into them!

5. I wanted to add some kind of continuity to the story that connects it to the first game, keeping it consistent throughout this game, and ending it off in a way that can be picked up again later (though this is at firebird's discretion). The storyline was important to me, and because I could only write about events that were out of my control and that were consistently unfolding, it was a bit tricky tying up all the loose ends (especially in the last narrative). If you reread the narratives, I'm sure you'll pick up some hints that the Serial Killer was a hired assassin from the Pencil Council...or so he thought.

...

I think that overall, writing the narratives have really inspired and improved my writing, so I hope to continue doing something like this in the near future (maybe another mafia game?). Well...maybe not so soon. I need a long break haha.....


PS.I think Zombo did a great job coming up with the other roles as they made the game much more interesting; he also did a great job of working out the balance issues in this game (remember the 1st one?). I think we all ought to all give him our thanks. :clap:

You had great narratives, kensai. Always a pleasure to read them even though i didnt play in the game :)

Hey, good game guys. I almost won, but not quite. I should of done what zombo said (claiming to be the vigilante/using the narration). I'll try to explain some of my thoughts/why I killed who I did:

I tried to lie low in the beginning of the game and just post here and there so I wouldn't be suspected. I'd say it worked for the most part.

Night 1
I killed Firebird on Night 1. Hmm, I think I just decided to kill him because I thought he would be good later in the game and may have figured out I was a serial killer/other hostile player. If I remember right, I also killed to him to make it look like Eburt was mafia, as Firebird was the only one who thought Eburt was suspicious.

Night 2
I killed platiumnerd on Night 2. By Night 2, I still wasn't really sure who was town and who was mafia. Platiumnerd hadn't really posted much, so i just decided to kill him. It was pretty much just a random kill.

Night 3
I killed Scott Shaputis on Night 3. I had a feeling he was mafia, so I decided to kill him (to help even out the #of the town and mafia deaths). This kill was still a little random, but I was pretty sure he was mafia.

Night 4
I killed Eburt on Night 4. Umm, can't really remember why I killed him. I was pretty sure he was a townie, and I was trying to alternate between killing a townie and a mafia member. I also think that Eburt might of been suspicous of me? Not sure.

Night 5
I killed Strat1227 on Night 5. Continuing with my alternating killing mafia and townies I decided to kill Strat. I was going between Toast and Strat on who was mafia. I ended up going with Strat obviously, and I was right.

To answer Rippdrive's question about me killing mafia, here is why I tried to kill them (yes, it was somewhat intentional):
My goal was to alternate killing townies and mafia each night (or depending on how the day lynches went). I knew there were more townies then mafia, so near the end of the game it would be good to have maybe 1 mafia and a few townies left (to help keep suspicion off me). Think about it: At the end of the game, if only mafia were left, they all know who each other are. It would be very easy for them to kill me. However, townies do not know who the other townies are, so this would make it much easier for me to "blend in" with them. (I hope all that made sense).

Had I known there would a pro-town killer/viligante, I probably would of planned things a little differently. I was definitly confused when three people started dieing at night.

The Serial Killer role, definitly was a fun one.

EDIT: Yeah I like the narratives alot Kensai. Until Zombo PM'ed me saying "you are the Tattooed One", I was pretty confused on what was what in the narratives.

(If anyone has any other questions for me, I'll try to answer them).

I wanted to say that kensai's narratives indicated my innocence, but i thought that would be playing dirty :P

Just realized, it didn't matter that you killed me Ripp, the Mafia targeted me that night as well.

btw I found it funny how most of guys said "Well, I've already claimed my pen, I don't know what else to say". There ARE plenty of ways to defend yourself. Talk about your attitude in general, your voting trend, your argumentation, opposition, etc... even the narrative helps.

it matters because the vigilante could have killed a mafia instead.

My comments on game #2:

@Kensai:
I loved the narratives, brah. I did catch the reassurance of Toast's innocence in them, and that there were more killers, too. But I didn't catch the rest. I'll watch out better next time: whenever that may be. I really enjoyed reading them, and I appreciate your style of writing as well. Nice job, man.

@Zombo:
I'm really happy you added the moles in this game. It made me feel like I was playing The Departed. haha. So many things going on at once. It was intense. I commend you on adding that aspect to the mafia game, man!

Also, that slip-up with the 3000*f wasn't too bad, but I'm sure the gameplay would've been different had Rorix had a f-3000 mod. Its kind of odd how things played out, isn't it?

Thanks for putting this together, man. I had a blast playing it, even though I didn't do too well this time. I can't wait for the next one! And if you need any help at all, just PM me. Because I'm not sure I'll play next time.

@All:
Project Orion was created in five minutes time, and the real thesis of it was "How to stir up the mafia and get a win for the town". It worked, but by the time I had leads and resources for information, I was already dead.
For example, I knew for certain that Scott and Alex were mafia. How? Scott broke the rules by PMing me and asking that I not bring something like PO into the game next time. My thoughts were "Wow, this only makes it not fun for those who are Mafia, .'. Scott is Mafia". Figuring out Strat was a little harder, however. I had to do some digging. I noticed that they were talking over a messenger service lately for some reason, and they recently put out a collab together. This led me to believe that they started talking for some reason or another. It may have been nothing, but I knew better.
Right when I was about to voice my concerns about Alex, though, I got burned at the stake -- So my lips were sealed, (though, he too died that night).

PO shook up the game, and thats all I wanted it to do. In that sense, I manipulated a lot of people into thinking I even believed in it, or that the plan could even work. In theory, it could work, but I saw past that theory, and my motives were different. I intended to find who was Mafia, not who was innocent.

PO was nothing more than a diversion to see who wouldn't like it, who was for it, who got scared from it, and in the long run, who was Mafia. In conclusion, Project Orion was a success.


@Flip:
Good strategy; going for the mafia. It worked up until the end. I suspected you from day 1 through day 2, but after that you gave me no reason to really worry. Well played. Well played.

@Ripp:
As soon as you started all this jazz about a "pro-town killer" I knew you were a townie. If you would've just claimed your power on the final day, it would've made everything so much easier, but I guess you noticed the danger in doing so. Though, I can't help but wonder if anyone else caught that from your theories of a pro-town killer.
BTW, not one good hit? Ouch, man. Too bad.

@firebird:
I was really upset that you died on the first night. I knew it would either be you or myself, but I never thought that everyone would've gone after you. You're not that much of an intelligent threat (in the nicest way possible). :thumb:
I was looking forward to playing with you, too. Oh well.

@All (again):
I had a lot of fun playing this time, and even more fun using unconventional strategies, such as deception. I hope you all had fun too, and maybe I'll see you in the next game (granted, I can play). Thanks for having me!

@neXus:
Sweet banner, brah!


:thumb:

man, thats some SERIOUS inference there man.... (talking about how you figured out i was mafia).... good thing i killed you that night :P


umm.... oh yea, about PO... whered you come up w/ that name LOLl....

also, i knew if i successfully claimed early, and voiced MILD concerns about it (not going along 100%, very suspicous), then nobody would suspect me.... unless they're a super-detective like you :P



oh and, scott didn't pm you cuz he thought PO would out him, he PM'd you cuz he's a jackass lol..

:wub:

@Zombo

next game, at night, seperate section of the forum for mafia only with a chatbox?

Just a thought :P

Anyways, i read quite a lot of the game through boredom, was cool everyone :) funny how many people seemed to screw up though.

@Joshua

What did you think about my reaction to PO? I think I was one of the biggest critics of it from the start. I was afraid that my being negative about the whole thing would raise suspicion but I really thought it was a poor idea =p

what the heck did "mole" mean

@lefty: you're a mafia with a mod